What has pwr lvl'ing got to do with not being 'legit'

[[AoW]ForLife]

Basically, there is a diffrence between people who got powerleveled and people who actually worked to level up their character. Granted, powerleveling doesn't violate the ToS in any way, but you need to realize that people who get powerleveled are missing the whole point of euro.
isn't euro for the party play, where you are supposed to be in a 8 person party, and everyone has a specific job of what they have to do and you all work together? Euros get powerleveled to 64+ and end up grinding solo, get to 80 and just pvp, missing the whole point of the euro based game. You have to realize, that you can compare powerlevelers to botters. Botters do nothing to get their levels, powerlevelers just sit on a horse and trace a character who does their work for them, involving no work for the euro char.
And no, i'm not one of those people who are jealous of people who get powerleveled, I could very well myself, but I'd rather enjoy party play.

can't believe no one even replied to this, mosiac already nailed it on the head with what is wrong with powerleveling.

and on top of this if joymax really sat down and did the working out how much money there losing due to people not needing: gold/silver tickets,premium tickets,sp tickets, bunnys/clocks etc.

but hey who's going mention this when there happy enough reaping the easy life of getting powerleveled?

(powerleveling is the same principle as using "god mode" in a singleplayer game , you advance so fast without a fight you fail to see the fun in the game.)

Exactly. The game was getting so tough to get to 80 even with silk for a legit player, that by introducing powerlvling and letting the gt run during plvling time, it encourages players on the verge of quitting to continue with SRO (with a new euro character) since they have a prospect of capping and being overpowered. The people in the middle of their chinese characters will use them anyway, and the people "just trying out euro" before they quit will start to buy silk again. It's a win-win.

[mosiac]

Basically, there is a diffrence between people who got powerleveled and people who actually worked to level up their character. Granted, powerleveling doesn't violate the ToS in any way, but you need to realize that people who get powerleveled are missing the whole point of euro.
isn't euro for the party play, where you are supposed to be in a 8 person party, and everyone has a specific job of what they have to do and you all work together? Euros get powerleveled to 64+ and end up grinding solo, get to 80 and just pvp, missing the whole point of the euro based game. You have to realize, that you can compare powerlevelers to botters. Botters do nothing to get their levels, powerlevelers just sit on a horse and trace a character who does their work for them, involving no work for the euro char.
And no, i'm not one of those people who are jealous of people who get powerleveled, I could very well myself, but I'd rather enjoy party play.

can't believe no one even replied to this, mosiac already nailed it on the head with what is wrong with powerleveling.

and on top of this if joymax really sat down and did the working out how much money there losing due to people not needing: gold/silver tickets,premium tickets,sp tickets, bunnys/clocks etc.

but hey who's going mention this when there happy enough reaping the easy life of getting powerleveled?

(powerleveling is the same principle as using "god mode" in a singleplayer game , you advance so fast without a fight you fail to see the fun in the game.)

finally someone gets it

[Cruor]

It's the company powerleveling it refers to. Or I didn't read that right.

Powerleveling in the sense of having a high character kill mobs for you is what it is calling an exploit. It also refers to having a company sign on to your character and grind for you which is also called powerleveling, which while not technically an exploit, can still be grouped with other forms of powerleveling.

[TOloseGT]

whine whine whine, stick wit ur "morals" while every1 else is lvls above u.

[EngravedDemon]

Basically, there is a diffrence between people who got powerleveled and people who actually worked to level up their character. Granted, powerleveling doesn't violate the ToS in any way, but you need to realize that people who get powerleveled are missing the whole point of euro.
isn't euro for the party play, where you are supposed to be in a 8 person party, and everyone has a specific job of what they have to do and you all work together? Euros get powerleveled to 64+ and end up grinding solo, get to 80 and just pvp, missing the whole point of the euro based game. You have to realize, that you can compare powerlevelers to botters. Botters do nothing to get their levels, powerlevelers just sit on a horse and trace a character who does their work for them, involving no work for the euro char.
And no, i'm not one of those people who are jealous of people who get powerleveled, I could very well myself, but I'd rather enjoy party play.

can't believe no one even replied to this, mosiac already nailed it on the head with what is wrong with powerleveling.

and on top of this if joymax really sat down and did the working out how much money there losing due to people not needing: gold/silver tickets,premium tickets,sp tickets, bunnys/clocks etc.

but hey who's going mention this when there happy enough reaping the easy life of getting powerleveled?

(powerleveling is the same principle as using "god mode" in a singleplayer game , you advance so fast without a fight you fail to see the fun in the game.)

finally someone gets it

Hmm I have a high level euro char and I have to say that it's kinda unfair for those of us who actually had to work for it... I understand where the notion is coming from and it's undeniable, heck I hate those bot plvling parties also and even worse, EURO solo botters... (Yes, you heard it, euro chars can actually bot...) But well, there's really nothing you can do about it, coz we all know how Joymax deals with it, "You can do whatever you want as long as you make us some money..." Just ignore them and treat them as insignificant as they should be, pieces of shit who doesn't deserve all this fuss or any bit of recognition at all...

Neway, I myself have to rely on my friends and myself for plvling till my euro reached 72. (Does plvling yourself count as plvling? Hehe) Then afterwards it's been just party play, either with my euro guildmates or some random general shared party and it's actually fun...

Here's some SS with my guildies: (BTW, FARMED Wizards ARE INSANE!)

[Sylhana]

I havent seen enough groups of euro chars capable of teamwork play in pvp eg jobwars, guildwars. Most cap euro players still ask for 1on1 in cape (at least they do on Hercules). Only one euro guild was competent enough to work in a group (and you always see the same players in jobwars), most dont have a clue :/ I venture to say that they excel in horseriding.

[Shimère]

whine whine whine, stick wit ur "morals" while every1 else is lvls above u.

Without morals, there is no society.

[Shimère]

My friend doesn't bot, he spends his time helping me.
I don't bot, I spend my time helping my friend.

Where is the so-called ilegit here?

Next time someone says in union "Hey I'm full of shield elixires, someone want them for free?" I'll refuse, since I didn't grind for those elixires.

Quite a bit of bull there, trying to exaggerate your point so to seems that it makes some kind of sense.

First of all, this isn't a two way street at all, you are either PL'ed or you PL'ed, it isn't a two way street.

I won't even address the example with the shield elexire has it has no value at all.

I do know and fully expect people standing on the other side of the fence to try and justify by any means their actions. Regardless of the justification, it remains what it is, stealing your level.

[Shimère]

has anyone been getting p-lvled and a GM appears and says "You are not leveling up by your own doing, please stop or I will ban you. ps. Please buy more silk I need some 20s for my Escallade."
if some1 doesnt get banned for doing it, chances are its legit. its not what u think is right in silkroad, its what joymax thinks. dont like it? log off and find another mmo.

Logoff and find another game... yeah, but sorry but no thanks, I prefer to fight the cheaters and clean up a good game than to live and have to start over somewhere else.

The fact is, the freaking GM is unable at present time to recognize who's a botter and who's not. It use to be they use to make rounds and ban bots on the spot, this isn't the case anymore.

If a bot goes around a GM doesn't do anything about it, I'm guessing that's being legit eh? Cause bot didn't get ban, must be legit! Really terrible reasoning, using extreme examples that leads nowhere logical.

[EngravedDemon]

whine whine whine, stick wit ur "morals" while every1 else is lvls above u.

Without morals, there is no society.

+1

ToloseGt, that's the kind of reasoning you could expect from a 13 year old kid trying so hard to fit in...

[Shimère]

so i won't flame you i'll only say the you are absolutely wrong. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its unacceptable... the fact that you impose with your word on other people your feelings shows that you are the condescending one.. fine its ok if it is unacceptable to you but when you post about it and accuse people of cheating then YOU MAKE IT PERSONAL... so top feeling high and mighty... if you don't like p'ling its your business but if i do then you should leave it at that.

How I express myself is my business and mine only, my freedom and my freedom only.

I don't tell you how to express yourself other then to do it with respect and in line with the forum rules. Those rules are in place so ideas can be exchanges, information to better circulate and debates to be carried on in a constructive manner.

I talk in a general sense, you take this general sense and make it yourself, then it must mean that you feel guilty about something as you obviously react in such a strong way.

Don't try to analyze who I am, don't try to tell me what I am, don't try to tell me what I should be. Convey your ideas, if you don't like the tone, there is nothing you can do about it, that's how adults work out their issues by knowing their are only responsible for themselves.

Albeit, this is only a game, a mere fraction of our lives, one should have limited care about what goes on in this game and that I would agree with as taken too seriously, one should wake up and smell the roses of course.

But cheating is cheating, if you don't think it's cheating, it's your opinion, last I've checked, I didn't call you a botter, I didn't call you a cheater, I didn't call anyone in particular a botter or a cheater, so what the hell are you high and mighty about then?

[mike2007]

My friend doesn't bot, he spends his time helping me.
I don't bot, I spend my time helping my friend.

Where is the so-called ilegit here?

Next time someone says in union "Hey I'm full of shield elixires, someone want them for free?" I'll refuse, since I didn't grind for those elixires.

Quite a bit of bull there, trying to exaggerate your point so to seems that it makes some kind of sense.

First of all, this isn't a two way street at all, you are either PL'ed or you PL'ed, it isn't a two way street.

I won't even address the example with the shield elexire has it has no value at all.

I do know and fully expect people standing on the other side of the fence to try and justify by any means their actions. Regardless of the justification, it remains what it is, stealing your level.

wow your ignorant. his example of elixers was used perfectly. its simple, plvling u get things u didnt work for same as it would have been accepting free elixers. that being said so long as its done by hand plvling its legit. JM put it in the game and left it there, and they have not told us that its not ok. any1 who is against plvling ither doesnt have the money to pay for it or doesnt have friends who are nice enough to do it for them. in ither case if you say hand plvling isnt legit u just need to get over the fact that u havent had the oporunity to do it.
besides i think most of us, myself included, that have gotten plvled have returned the favor when we got high enough. in fact ive plvled more than ive gotten plvled.
that being said i still do not have respect for those that do not apreciate being plvled, some1 took the time out of their day from grinding their own character to lvl yours. yes, that means that most of the 70+ euros in game right now i have no respect for. especially the ones who didnt play b4 euro and know nothing of the labor required for grinding a chineese char without pt mobs.

[EngravedDemon]

so i won't flame you i'll only say the you are absolutely wrong. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its unacceptable... the fact that you impose with your word on other people your feelings shows that you are the condescending one.. fine its ok if it is unacceptable to you but when you post about it and accuse people of cheating then YOU MAKE IT PERSONAL... so top feeling high and mighty... if you don't like p'ling its your business but if i do then you should leave it at that.

How I express myself is my business and mine only, my freedom and my freedom only.

I don't tell you how to express yourself other then to do it with respect and in line with the forum rules. Those rules are in place so ideas can be exchanges, information to better circulate and debates to be carried on in a constructive manner.

I talk in a general sense, you take this general sense and make it yourself, then it must mean that you feel guilty about something as you obviously react in such a strong way.

Don't try to analyze who I am, don't try to tell me what I am, don't try to tell me what I should be. Convey your ideas, if you don't like the tone, there is nothing you can do about it, that's how adults work out their issues by knowing their are only responsible for themselves.

Albeit, this is only a game, a mere fraction of our lives, one should have limited care about what goes on in this game and that I would agree with as taken too seriously, one should wake up and smell the roses of course.

But cheating is cheating, if you don't think it's cheating, it's your opinion, last I've checked, I didn't call you a botter, I didn't call you a cheater, I didn't call anyone in particular a botter or a cheater, so what the hell are you high and mighty about then?

You're starting to sound really bitter... Get some sleep

[Shimère]

...wow your ignorant...

Obviously, totally worthless comment. Nothing here worth replying to.

[mike2007]

...wow your ignorant...

Obviously, totally worthless comment. Nothing here worth replying to.

then y did u?

[Shimère]

You're starting to sound really bitter... Get some sleep

That is usually called spam, a totally out of topic comment like this. Next time, why don't you address an opinion instead of worrying about me?

[Shimère]

...wow your ignorant...

Obviously, totally worthless comment. Nothing here worth replying to.

then y did u?

And even more worthless spam.

[CHIPS]

Fact 1: Some people only have about 1 hour to play a day. For those people, they get about 10% a day, and even less as they gets higher level. For those people, paying people for plvl is the best option, since it will take them forever to get anywhere in this game.

Fact 2: It is a lot more economical to pay someone to plvl you. For example when I was around level 42, I had 2 choices. 1) Buy a lvl 42 SOS for around 25 mill. This way, I will need to play for hours to hit level 52. 2) Pay people 200k an hour to plvl at Mujigi and Penon with the 25 mill, for a total of 125 hours of plvl time. This way I hit lvl 52 faster and cheaper.

Fact 3: It is legal to get plvled, even if the plvler is a bot. If there will ever be a bot ban, the plvler will get banned, not the ppl he plvled.

[mike2007]

...wow your ignorant...

Obviously, totally worthless comment. Nothing here worth replying to.

then y did u?

And even worthless spam.

yet your still continuing. i proved my point and ure not even trying to disprove my statements with logic. in your words your post is "Obviously, totally worthless comment." it has no point other than to up your post count. i asked u a question, the least u could have done was answer it.

[EngravedDemon]

You're starting to sound really bitter... Get some sleep

That is usually called spam, a totally out of topic comment like this. Next time, why don't you address an opinion instead of worrying about me?

Didn't want to sound rude or even bother replying to prolong the discussion with your issues... And if you haven't checked, you're the one spamming... LoL!

[Shimère]

Fact 1: Some people only have about 1 hour to play a day. For those people, they get about 10% a day, and even less as they gets higher level. For those people, paying people for plvl is the best option, since it will take them forever to get anywhere in this game.

The fact is, I can't pay for my meal at the restaurant, I might as well leave and screw the owner cause he won't get my money because I'm too poor.

"I must admit, a very interesting fact you are stating there. Because I have no time, hell I might as well also run a bot, I mean I'm legit because I only have 1 hour play so that allows me to bot cause I got no time..."

That kind of thinking opens up pretty wide a Pandora's box of malicious thinking.

The fact that a person has only 30 min a day to play SRO doesn't allow them to cheat in any way, shape or form.

[Shimère]

Didn't want to sound rude or even bother replying to prolong the discussion with your issues... And if you haven't checked, you're the one spamming... LoL!

Oooookkk there... yeaaahhh I'm spammmmiing... yeaaahhhh.

Next time, if you have an ACTUAL opinion which RELATES to the topic at hand, why don't you STATE your opinion instead of doing what you are doing right now?

[mike2007]

Didn't want to sound rude or even bother replying to prolong the discussion with your issues... And if you haven't checked, you're the one spamming... LoL!

Oooookkk there... yeaaahhh I'm spammmmiing... yeaaahhhh.

Next time, if you have an ACTUAL opinion which RELATES to the topic at hand, why don't you STATE your opinion instead of doing what you are doing right now?

i c nothing related in your last few posts to the topic. but i do c 4 posts of yours, in 2 groups of 2, that easily could have been shortened 1 post each.

[Zing]

There's a boundary placed and set to separate laws from morals. What ultimately creates the laws? JOYMAX, the company that created Silkroad Online.

Sure, laws are built off of morals, but the difference is laws are created by the authority (JOYMAX INC.). It is up to the creators to set what's righteous and what is wrong.

Having said that, the legitimacy of power-leveling is in fact legal. If you were to point out within JOYMAX's laws, pertaining to, or blatantly stating that power-leveling is completely illegal, then sure, power-leveling will be in fact illegal.

That's the problem, there isn't some sort of rule stating that power-level is wrong. And I'm sure many people before me have all ready stated this. Ignoring this fact is just ignorant and blind.

[mike2007]

There's a boundary placed and set to separate laws from morals. What ultimately creates the laws? JOYMAX, the company that created Silkroad Online.

Sure, laws are built off of morals, but the difference is laws are created by the authority (JOYMAX INC.). It is up to the creators to set what's righteous and what is wrong.

Having said that, the legitimacy of power-leveling is in fact legal. If you were to point out within JOYMAX's laws, pertaining to, or blatantly stating that power-leveling is completely illegal, then sure, power-leveling will be in fact illegal.

That's the problem, there isn't some sort of rule stating that power-level is wrong. And I'm sure many people before me have all ready stated this. Ignoring this fact is just ignorant and blind.

+1, very well said

[kloudzen]

So how come every person who finds Power Leveling "illegal" never mentioned that the Honor/Academy system is "illegal" too? Oh wait...they might contradict themselves because it's actually another feature in the game huh!

And those that want to work for their levels/items in game? So I'm guessing if a high level friend quits...you'll refuse to take their 1337 gear right? (since everyone will know you didn't "work" for that either)

[Cruor]

Powerleveling is legitimate because the majority of people in this community powerlevel. That cannot be argued. Elsewhere, that fact may change but here it has been made legitimate.

That said, what pisses me off about you people is that you can't seem to understand why anyone would not want to be powerleveled. To you this game is only about being capped, and unfortunately that is what the majority of people believe. You say I am jealous of you or poor or that I have no friends, because obviously I secretly want to be capped right? That's why I deleted my last character, started fresh, and log in about once every two weeks. Maybe for once you should see beyond levels. Do you want to know what turned me off with this game? The community. All you people care about is levels. It's a damn rat race. I can't log in and chat with some people or grind with some people because everyone is caught up in their powerleveling, racing to that cap. They will continue to do so indefinitely. All for what, so they can stand a chance in PvP against botters? What else is there to do when you're capped? Sure, castle siege could be interesting but you know already that it will be completely dominated by sun-toting, gold buying, botted up players. So I ask you this: Why in the hell should I feel jealous of you people? What fun is sitting on a horse for hours getting powerleveled so that you can get capped and mash some buttons to kill some botters, realizing a few months later at the next cap that your character is now gimped because of Joymax's ever changing skill dynamics? I came to this game because I thought it would be fun to mingle around with people, possibly in a longer term. Instead all I found was that people are rotten to their very cores. To be honest, at this point I would rather just jump into a casual game of Halo or something on Xbox Live with my RL friends. Sure there are people there as well who share this delusioned view of gaming you have, but I only have to spend a few minutes with them. If you are so obsessed with competition, why not put it into something productive? Games are for fun. Games should be spontaneous. You should not be planning out exactly how you will spend the next five weeks playing a game.

[Zing]

Cruor, come join Alexander. My guild is very social.

[jabbers]

Powerleveling is legitimate because the majority of people in this community powerlevel. That cannot be argued. Elsewhere, that fact may change but here it has been made legitimate.

That said, what pisses me off about you people is that you can't seem to understand why anyone would not want to be powerleveled. To you this game is only about being capped, and unfortunately that is what the majority of people believe. You say I am jealous of you or poor or that I have no friends, because obviously I secretly want to be capped right? That's why I deleted my last character, started fresh, and log in about once every two weeks. Maybe for once you should see beyond levels. Do you want to know what turned me off with this game? The community. All you people care about is levels. It's a damn rat race. I can't log in and chat with some people or grind with some people because everyone is caught up in their powerleveling, racing to that cap. They will continue to do so indefinitely. All for what, so they can stand a chance in PvP against botters? What else is there to do when you're capped? Sure, castle siege could be interesting but you know already that it will be completely dominated by sun-toting, gold buying, botted up players. So I ask you this: Why in the hell should I feel jealous of you people? What fun is sitting on a horse for hours getting powerleveled so that you can get capped and mash some buttons to kill some botters, realizing a few months later at the next cap that your character is now gimped because of Joymax's ever changing skill dynamics? I came to this game because I thought it would be fun to mingle around with people, possibly in a longer term. Instead all I found was that people are rotten to their very cores. To be honest, at this point I would rather just jump into a casual game of Halo or something on Xbox Live with my RL friends. Sure there are people there as well who share this delusioned view of gaming you have, but I only have to spend a few minutes with them. If you are so obsessed with competition, why not put it into something productive? Games are for fun. Games should be spontaneous. You should not be planning out exactly how you will spend the next five weeks playing a game.

so what possessed you to crack open the .pk2 files and basically try out all the endgame stuff? If anything would burn you out on silkroad , I would think it'd be that, not trying to put you down or anything. anyway someone said it earlier theres a difference between what is law and what is moral, I guess powerleveling is a gray area in there. theres been plenty of things in the game which have been used in ways they may not have been intended. I guess someone needs to write a letter to the GM or programmers and ask them how they expected it to work.

[PR0METHEUS]

To all the people that say that power leveling is part of the game, that it's the way Joymax intended it, I ask this...

Why would Joymax develop a new race (European) that is party-based, specifically meant to have various classes that work together in a party with different jobs for each class... and then put in a system that allows those very same Euro characters to just sit on an ostrich and soak up exp by a high lvl Chinese legit, or botter?

Regardless of whether power leveling is against the TOS or not, it is destroying the very point of the European race. Europeans are meant to work together to kill mobs and level. They are meant to use their individual skills to help the rest of the party, whether tanking, pulling in mobs, healing other party members, dealing a lot of damage...

I have never seen anything that specifically said Joymax put the Guardian system in for power leveling. They put it in so high levels can help new players out, showing them "the ropes" of the game. Everyone involved gets additional experience boosts through the experience buffs, and guardians get the ability to purchase special items with honor points.

If you want to play Euro, why not actually PLAY it? Why not enjoy the aspects that make Euro unique, different than Chinese? It's a party-based race plain an simple.

Botting is cheating, NOT because it's using third party software, but because the botter is gaining something for free that he would otherwise not be able to get.

Power leveling is cheating, NOT because it's against TOS (it's not really) but because it's gaining something for free that the player would otherwise not be able to get.

I see no difference.

It has nothing to do with third party software. If it did, then people who use Vent or teamspeak or AOL Instant Messenger or xfire, or MSN, would also be cheating because they are using third party software to communicate with in-game friends/guildmates/unionmates in ways that the game would otherwise not allow.

I'm sorry, I just have to laugh at those that say that people are against power leveling because they are "jealous that they are too poor or have no friends that can power level them." I have plenty of high and low level friends, and plenty of money to afford paying for the service. I've been offered it many times, but I turn it down.

Edit:

Fact 1: Some people only have about 1 hour to play a day. For those people, they get about 10% a day, and even less as they gets higher level. For those people, paying people for plvl is the best option, since it will take them forever to get anywhere in this game.

The fact is, I can't pay for my meal at the restaurant, I might as well leave and screw the owner cause he won't get my money because I'm too poor.

"I must admit, a very interesting fact you are stating there. Because I have no time, hell I might as well also run a bot, I mean I'm legit because I only have 1 hour play so that allows me to bot cause I got no time..."

That kind of thinking opens up pretty wide a Pandora's box of malicious thinking.

The fact that a person has only 30 min a day to play SRO doesn't allow them to cheat in any way, shape or form.

I couldn't agree more. I am one of those people who rarely has time to play. I MIGHT get in 4 or 5 hours a week at best in this game. That's not consecutive either, maybe an hour every other day or so. That doesn't mean that I should bot or power level so I can get to that high level.

I'm only lvl 51 after a year and a half or a little more of playing this game. I'm fine with that.

I wish people could realize this game shouldn't be a race to cap. People spend so much time and effort racing to cap to do what? PVP against other capped players waiting for the next cap to come, then wash, rinse, repeat?