Why pure ints cant do enough damage to fight a pure str?

[DEUSAdoBRAZIL]

I really does not understand that game balance.

Im lv 74, full int, heuksal lv69 max skills, bicheon lv 69 max the most important skills, fire 69, light 68, ice 26. skills at max

Sun sword+5 41% magical, 41% mag reinforcement, critical 9 blus full 100%

shield lv 72+5 br 17


sun armor Head+5
sun armor shoulder+5
sun protector legs+4
som armor hands+4
sos armor chest lv 69+4
armor foot lv 74+3

all Jewells i can use in my lv are+4, only earring still lv 70.

in all equipement am 4 int from full int blues and 5 str from full st.r blues

HP 8900

And now i say, even with all that you see i cant kill pure str lv 76 or more, i got killed ease, its impossible to kill a blader, and on top of all the hp they have they run faster than me, so they need just to run to repot.
Even agains pure ints, if they have good weapon they can kill me with 1 hit+1 skill.

Why, even with sun equipements and sun weapon stills so hard to be alive and to kill players in a pvp. I use all skills, i do not only nuke nuke nuke.............

I really expect the new skills comming hellp pure ints at last a bit.

Am thinking on gop ice 80, light 80, bicheon 80, heuksal 70, but that is 310 mastrys so i need to think where to cut ^^

About my equipments the sun sword i droped, the others i bought.

Thanks guys

[CJ]

This is just becuase JM have made STR the best this cap, simpley by not having 70-80 skills. Being pure int they can't stand much DMG, but with STR they can and its a persisent attack which can crit, wheres as the DMG to HP ratio against str for a int, SUCKS!



This also why MOST people I see in Sparta or Posiedon WANT to be Glavie.

Zzzz. Even though I am, it's only becuase i've experience pure int on Sparta.

[Mahnitu]

This just becuase JM have made STR the best this cap, simple by not having 70-80 skills. Being pure int they can't stand much DMG, but with STr they can adn its a persisent attack which can crit, wheres as the DMG to HP ration against str for a int, SUCKS!



This also why MOST people I see in Sparta or Posiedon WANT to eb Glavie.

Zzzz. Even though I am, it's only becuase i've experience pure int on Sparta.

+1

[hemagoku]

pure ints in this cap dies alot because they don't have their full skills that they should have (the lvl70s skills and the lvl80skills)

[tedtwilliger]

Simple reason. Pure str takes longer to lvl up. So, to compensate, they have made it stronger than a pure intl in pvp. Seems like a fair enough trade of to me.

[Pulsartm]

pure ints in this cap dies alot because they don't have their full skills that they should have (the lvl70s skills and the lvl80skills)

lol and pure str have the same skills like ints...
what u said sounds like: INTs dont have lvl 80 skills but STR have...

[hadioz2004]

I really does not understand that game balance.

Im lv 74, full int, heuksal lv69 max skills, bicheon lv 69 max the most important skills, fire 69, light 68, ice 26. skills at max

Sun sword+5 41% magical, 41% mag reinforcement, critical 9 blus full 100%

shield lv 72+5 br 17


sun armor Head+5
sun armor shoulder+5
sun protector legs+4
som armor hands+4
sos armor chest lv 69+4
armor foot lv 74+3

all Jewells i can use in my lv are+4, only earring still lv 70.

in all equipement am 4 int from full int blues and 5 str from full st.r blues

HP 8900

And now i say, even with all that you see i cant kill pure str lv 76 or more, i got killed ease, its impossible to kill a blader, and on top of all the hp they have they run faster than me, so they need just to run to repot.
Even agains pure ints, if they have good weapon they can kill me with 1 hit+1 skill.

Why, even with sun equipements and sun weapon stills so hard to be alive and to kill players in a pvp. I use all skills, i do not only nuke nuke nuke.............

I really expect the new skills comming hellp pure ints at last a bit.

Am thinking on gop ice 80, light 80, bicheon 80, heuksal 70, but that is 310 mastrys so i need to think where to cut ^^

About my equipments the sun sword i droped, the others i bought.

Thanks guys

1. When we get the new skills like the mana shield it will help Pure int's against STr since it decreases damage taken.Another thing is in the new skills is also the new nukes like lightning 3rd new book which will also inflict higher damage to STr builds which iam sure will make a really big difference in pvp or wars.

2.About your masteries distribution i think you should go like:
Ice= Lvl 80
Light= Lvl 80
Bicheon= Lvl80
Heuskal= Lvl 60

3. And fix your critical of your sun sword...

Hope i gave you the right way now...

[hitokiri]

I guess it depends who you are. Because people usually have this twisted idea that INT always gets raped in PvP, but I have seen INTs tanking even and have felt death to them first hand when we are both same level/skills. So I am not sure. Make use of the Ice/Fire walls at all?

[Colb]

If you suck at level 74 as an INT it's either the way you play your character or your gear sucks. I have n1tr0x and pretty much anyone on Troy to back me up on this claim...


I am level 73 and there is not one single person on Troy (non-SoSun) below level 75 that can kill me on a regular basis. Sure maybe a guy gets a lucky crit now and then. I'm talkin pure INT's, pure STR glavie, pure STR bladers. Bladers, I can't kill them. But they can't kill me either. I have 105% magic balance with 9.3k hp and I wear garment. But those 72 +7 glavies simply do not hurt that much.

If you honestly spend the time to pimp your gear, it will pay off. Unless of course you just don't know how to play your character. I would kill to have gear like you. 3 pieces of sun? Jeez. I'm running around with a +5 full blue 1st, 2nd, and 3rd tier mix set. I'm using a 72 +7 sword with crit 13 with 58% mag reinforce and 56% mag attack. 72 +5 shield with BR 18 critical 60 reduce. Jewelry is maxed to my level.

I love fighting pure STR glavies between 72-75 because they honestly don't stand much of a chance unless they have a +7 glavie and a great garm set. There are also a few 77+ on Troy that I can give a really good fight.

Post screenshots of your gear, make a video of you during PVP. And maybe everyone here can help you find what you're doing wrong.

[DEUSAdoBRAZIL]

If you suck at level 74 as an INT it's either the way you play your character or your gear sucks. I have n1tr0x and pretty much anyone on Troy to back me up on this claim...


I am level 73 and there is not one single person on Troy (non-SoSun) below level 75 that can kill me on a regular basis. Sure maybe a guy gets a lucky crit now and then. I'm talkin pure INT's, pure STR glavie, pure STR bladers. Bladers, I can't kill them. But they can't kill me either. I have 105% magic balance with 9.3k hp and I wear garment. But those 72 +7 glavies simply do not hurt that much.

If you honestly spend the time to pimp your gear, it will pay off. Unless of course you just don't know how to play your character. I would kill to have gear like you. 3 pieces of sun? Jeez. I'm running around with a +5 full blue 1st, 2nd, and 3rd tier mix set. I'm using a 72 +7 sword with crit 13 with 58% mag reinforce and 56% mag attack. 72 +5 shield with BR 18 critical 60 reduce. Jewelry is maxed to my level.

I love fighting pure STR glavies between 72-75 because they honestly don't stand much of a chance unless they have a +7 glavie and a great garm set. There are also a few 77+ on Troy that I can give a really good fight.

Post screenshots of your gear, make a video of you during PVP. And maybe everyone here can help you find what you're doing wrong.

My magic balance with a cape to pvp is 114%, and as i said my equips have all full blues some 40% parry others 30%, all (that can have) 400 hp, the sword have 100% blocking and the shield 60% critical, i need 4 int and 5 str to be full str/int with blue adds.

Maybe the players in my server are mostely very well pimped.....

[Colb]

I have no doubt in my mind that the players you are fighting are using fully pimped out gear. It's pretty much the same way on Troy. Like I said, post a video of you PVPing someone your level or 2 levels above, so we can critique it and help you.

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[soulcollector]

whats your build Colb ? or u dont wanna give it up Maiby PM ?

[vindicated01]

pure int using garment i will own him 3 hit even he use stuff sun...

[BuddahBless]

If you traded that sun sword for a spear you probably could do something against pure str. Two nukes would probably kill em.

[Pulsartm]

If you traded that sun sword for a spear you probably could do something against pure str. Two nukes would probably kill em.

yeah trade the sword for a spear and then die in 1, max 2 shots

to kill a str in 2 nukes u need to nuke over 12k damage and its kind of impossible and 3 nukes is toooo much, because a glavier will kill u until u can cast the second nuke

[SRO2007]

I think you need to adjust your mastery trees. Why would you need heuskal to lvl 69 since you are using a sosun sword. You only need it to lvl 60 to get that max hp from passive. (btw, don't get ice if you choose hp passive, or vice versa)
With your sun sword, you can kill any non-sun pure strengths just by nuking, easily.... With sosun users, you will need to use kd/stabs & nukes in pvp in order to win them. I have a pure int sosun sword char on venice & she owns many people in pvp. You will love your char when she's fully farmed at Lvl 80 (fire, lightning, bicheon masteries = 80) . It's a little tougher to kill a sosun glaiver or sosun blader. I only lose for full sosun glaivers & sosun bladers (with +7 weapon, & full sun gear).

[Zero_Doom]

Um, I am a pure str blader, so I can't say a whole lot about all this. I just know that there are some nukers who are lvl 70 - 75 (judged entirely on dmg that I give them) and can nuke me with a single shot. I haven't been nuked by sosun yet, because I am smart enough to summon a horse and move quickly, but most ints that kill me are using swords/spears like Colb's setup. So your sosun sword should be able to take out pure str's fairly easily. >.>

[Colb]

Hey Zero, I saw you last night at DW South. I didn't know you were an SRF member.

[Embodiment]

Don't see what's so hard about lol glaivers die just like everyone else... o_0

[Hell]

Just a quick point to note - almost everyone lies about their levels or their gaps when they pvp. Unless you know them all, you will probably find that half of those 75's were 79 or 80's. I pvp'ed a duel weapon int and won 4 out of 5. He said he was 77 with a 7 levelgap and no sosun. I saw him in town later that evening stalling 3 protector suns and a day later he joined a party i was in - surprise he was level 80

[Colb]

Just a quick point to note - almost everyone lies about their levels or their gaps when they pvp. Unless you know them all, you will probably find that half of those 75's were 79 or 80's. I pvp'ed a duel weapon int and won 4 out of 5. He said he was 77 with a 7 levelgap and no sosun. I saw him in town later that evening stalling 3 protector suns and a day later he joined a party i was in - surprise he was level 80

Yup. That's why I love my Pk2 edit. People can't lie haha.

[calearney]

I really does not understand that game balance.

Im lv 74, full int, heuksal lv69 max skills, bicheon lv 69 max the most important skills, fire 69, light 68, ice 26. skills at max

Sun sword+5 41% magical, 41% mag reinforcement, critical 9 blus full 100%

shield lv 72+5 br 17


sun armor Head+5
sun armor shoulder+5
sun protector legs+4
som armor hands+4
sos armor chest lv 69+4
armor foot lv 74+3

all Jewells i can use in my lv are+4, only earring still lv 70.

in all equipement am 4 int from full int blues and 5 str from full st.r blues

HP 8900

And now i say, even with all that you see i cant kill pure str lv 76 or more, i got killed ease, its impossible to kill a blader, and on top of all the hp they have they run faster than me, so they need just to run to repot.
Even agains pure ints, if they have good weapon they can kill me with 1 hit+1 skill.

Why, even with sun equipements and sun weapon stills so hard to be alive and to kill players in a pvp. I use all skills, i do not only nuke nuke nuke.............

I really expect the new skills comming hellp pure ints at last a bit.

Am thinking on gop ice 80, light 80, bicheon 80, heuksal 70, but that is 310 mastrys so i need to think where to cut ^^

About my equipments the sun sword i droped, the others i bought.

Thanks guys

like what CJ was saying no int skills for lvl 70+. (i think) idk try if you sword knocking them over stabbing then doing a couple nukes. thats what works for me.

[John_Doe]

Embodiment wrote:

Don't see what's so hard about lol glaivers die just like everyone else... o_0

+1

[Lixiae]

Dump heuksal and add ice unless you got a sun spear too.

[soxdrop]

garments give almost double + magical def of the armors physical def +, that should be changed!

[Blurred]

Embodiment wrote:

Don't see what's so hard about lol glaivers die just like everyone else... o_0

+1

well thats obvious -___-

[shadowman20875]

Agree with cap statement, also, no one apparently knows how to use a chain.

[RichardDawkins12]

this is really simple.

pure str chars grow in hp and dmg exponentially.

while pure int grow in damage exponentially fast but hp very slow.

so joymaXX farked up. Make pure int have high damage would make pure int vs pure int a 1 hit kill match. So they invented the high mag. defense of garment.However Pure str takes advantage of garments and use it, so now
they tried to balance things out they would lower the damage of pure strs. The problem comes with criticals. When pure str can't kill pure str. What they tried to do? THey raised the mag dmg of all weapons. Still Pure str deals more dmg than pure int when you account how much HP they have. It's a flawed system.

Raise INT dmg = int vs int becomes pointless
Lowering STR dmg = str vs str becomes endless match
Make garments defense up = int surive longer v int BUT STR OWNS INT with high mag def.

Stupid joymaxx. Maybe mana shield can fix this up and make pure int take more blows.

[Lith]

I really does not understand that game balance.

Im lv 74, full int, heuksal lv69 max skills, bicheon lv 69 max the most important skills, fire 69, light 68, ice 26. skills at max

Sun sword+5 41% magical, 41% mag reinforcement, critical 9 blus full 100%

shield lv 72+5 br 17


sun armor Head+5
sun armor shoulder+5
sun protector legs+4
som armor hands+4
sos armor chest lv 69+4
armor foot lv 74+3

all Jewells i can use in my lv are+4, only earring still lv 70.

in all equipement am 4 int from full int blues and 5 str from full st.r blues

HP 8900

And now i say, even with all that you see i cant kill pure str lv 76 or more, i got killed ease, its impossible to kill a blader, and on top of all the hp they have they run faster than me, so they need just to run to repot.
Even agains pure ints, if they have good weapon they can kill me with 1 hit+1 skill.

Why, even with sun equipements and sun weapon stills so hard to be alive and to kill players in a pvp. I use all skills, i do not only nuke nuke nuke.............

I really expect the new skills comming hellp pure ints at last a bit.

Am thinking on gop ice 80, light 80, bicheon 80, heuksal 70, but that is 310 mastrys so i need to think where to cut ^^

About my equipments the sun sword i droped, the others i bought.

Thanks guys

Wear Protectors. STR will own you with or w/o imbue in armor anyways so I can't see why not. Wearing protectors give you the chance of not dieing in one hit from INT, so maybe you can find someone who will trade your armor suns with protector suns or soms. 5 INT should be your main on every piece of gear and a critical 60% or more on your shield. Kill fast, you don't die fast.

Hears what I've done for myself and it works good either wearing protectors or garments if they're really good.
S/S = Generally for defense and nuking.
Spear = Owning the ***** ass with stun and ghost.

For S/S you should either run and ghost then nuke then switch to spear and stun and ghost. Repeat the process. Using zerk is a great advantage for an INT, like STR having its it's criticals. Which is why I suggest having Critical 60% or above on your shield. It'll won't hurt you as much.

You should do fine since you got a sun sword.

[Grim]

Or, In other words, Stay with Armor because they will save your butt..

And make sure +5 Str and Major HP Bonus is on every part of your equipment

They will give you more Phy dmg (lovely with KD)
and a LOT of HP.

This will equal you out to a Pure Str Naked (Hp wise, maybe more) and a lot of dmg.