The big SA topic on official forums - an idea

[Orilana]

possible flaws:
power abuse
no support from Joymax after an "unfair banning" (e.g. someone nukes a giant and soul spears it and then runs to the bathroom, SA sees a char hitting w/o imbues on the giant and contacts him, he's in the bathroom, 7 DAYS w/o SRO, file a complaint to JM, they either ignore it, or don't believe u or dont care at all)

Not true
Since the system is based upon continious question asking to a person that is executing skills there is no problem here

the guy has diahearra and dont answer for 5 min yet his guy still hits his giant and autopots, idk i think some SA's will ban and JM will ignore all complaints/appeals like they always do

keep in mind, not all SA's will think exactly like you do

ok on this one i have to agree.
There are several possible solutions to this in the same spirit:

1. player gets banned, 7 days later he can play again. unlucky but at least something is done (bad idea imho but better then nothing)


2. SA uses his ban command the assumed diareeha bot or not
Now the second time the ban command is executed on a player the lowest ban becomes reality. You can also at a time span on that: only once a day it is possible to 'tag' a player as an SA

Again you can now say: what about he has diareha twice exactly at that moment (very small chances on that)... well we can continue this way...

It's not about the fact the bot problem cannot be solved by GM's or Joymax, this thread is more bout the fact that if they impliment SA's they have to have power and this power can be accomplished with a minimum of development effort and with a, imho , very good result

I don't agree that people should just accept being banned when they were AFK for a short time. You'd end up with everyone leaving the game.
I don't think SA's should have the power to ban, only to report stuff to highlight it to Joymax, then let them deal with it. They can check the players history etc.

On another game, to decect macros, if you reported a suspected macro, you reported it, then a macro detect was triggered on their account. This would trace mouse movements, timings etc to determine whether they were really a bot or not. It's simple to put into play and it would avoid people being banned for the wrong reasons.

[justaskphil]

Very nice ideas indeed. Where do I sign up for duty?

I think the SAs should be able to temp ban at will, for either 24 hrs, 3 days or 1 week. That's the whole point of putting them in the field. If they have the proper support on the back side of things from JM (advanced stuff like checking the account activity, and monitoring the accounts that previously have been temp banned) the SAs could really be effective and bring some order back to things.

OT question - so what happens to any equipment, gold and other stuff when a character is banned? IDK why this crossed my mind, lol. They could have a yard sale or lottery for it.

[Zen]

Theres too much paranioa here about being afk and banned for botting, its also common sence to be able to tell the diff betwen a bot and someone who is just not there
i.e
first senairo is the bot...
Imbue attacks with skills/nukes, auto picking looting an mooving onto next mob repeating combo's withouth repsonding to chat,
second senario is the poor chap with diahorrea..
character is showing absolutly no sign of intellegence, looks like a player either experiancing major lag or someone who is just not paying attention to the game, auto hit, non imbued, or just plain standng there while there getting mobbed.....
the sa is more likely to whisper the latter an ask are you ok???? than clear his mobs or i uno, its easy to tell is it not?

[Mya]

It's nice, but it's not perfectly nice.

The flaw is, in my opinion, screenshot is not a legitimate proof.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

quit bitching

sa should have this power the concern is abuse but if joymax really think they can handle this and put something with such risk out there they are def gona moderate it a lot more then they do other things

sa will help gms and may be a sign for a bot free game that i may now consider returning to one day but for now i would like to see how this goes

[yamataka]

SA should never be allowed to ban ... that makes the whole idea open to power abuse.

And detecting bots by talking to them? are you serious? What if the person speaks another language? What if they are someone young enough to be told by their parents that they are not to talk to strangers even on a game? What if they are autistic and enjoying the repetitive actions of grinding and lack social skills? What if you drop your mouse on the floor and kick it under your pc and are crawling on the floor and trying to get it back while the SA is talking to you? The what ifs go on and on ...

Why wouldn't an bot detection program work better?

And how are you able to tell if someone is 20 online? Give them a test of some sort? or just believe them when they say they are 20?

So if they gonna impliment SA's they are just there to show off JoyMax is doing nothing expect pretending doing something?

The 'what if's' are all easily solved a little bit down in this topic (multiple tags before temporary ban). Also this is the current way it is done by JoyMax itself so these 'what ifs' are now already a problem.
I don't say this is the solution to the problems, i only try to say that this method can be a very good way to impliment SA's if they gonna do it.


Again: if you don't give SA's powers then they are just like the protectors... useless

Then let SA's trigger some sort of program that traces the movements of the player and records the timing of their attacks etc. and let THAT determine whether or not someone is a bot. That is what other games do. I really can't think of any other game that lets other PLAYERS ban players ... even for a short amount of time.

[Braxton]

Sounds like a good idea, Joymax should seriously think about revamping the SA program.

[ciddy]

i nominate srf mods for SA.

[HBblade]

GMs have way more authority & they can't get past their company chain of command, what makes you think some random player recruited as SA will get any authority to do w/e u requested

[[SD]happynoobing]

the whole point of getting SA is because the GMs dont do any of these stuff. so what's the point if SA don't have the power to temperory ban bots?

and the difference between a bot and a guy with diahrrea:
a guy with diahrrea would attack a mob with skill+imbue, then go to washroom, therefore his character would not do any other skills nor imbues after this. and after the mob is dead, his character wouldn't be moving on to the next mob! so what's so hard about distinguishing them?

[StealMySoda]

Not great idea......thumbs down P.s some of this blabla idea.

If your gonna say its a bad idea, at least say why.

[Yasakira]

The reason that the last SA thing didnt work, is because stupid JM goes and recruits unlegit player. The SAs reported ppl falsely and got their friends out of trouble. JM just needs to get a better GM service, not get volunteers from the community.

[Xs]

possible flaws:
power abuse
no support from Joymax after an "unfair banning"
(e.g. someone nukes a giant and soul spears it
then runs to the bathroom
SA sees a char hitting w/o imbues on the giant and contacts him
he's in the bathroom
7 DAYS w/o SRO
file a complaint to JM, they either ignore it, or don't believe u or dont care at all--->/wrist cutting/suicide/plays WoW )

Pretty much sums it up.

They are probably going to recruit SA that as sameer said are not legit lol like last time....

[BlackFox]

The flaw is, in my opinion, screenshot is not a legitimate proof.

Yea really true...

@ StealMySoda If you want to hear why. I can write down 50 page if you want ....And I belive be 20 F-word on it ..

* experienced gamer (SRO)
Yes

* older then 20 years-old
More 30 and up

* bot free / scam free / gold buying free (they can easily check all this)

very easy to check this LMAO ,No Is not easy .

*
Rest Is stupid/crap idea ....About SA can ban, but they should never be allowed to ban I know be abuse if they can ...And so on..

[Ell]

How are you going to find qualified people? The thing is you have just named the job of the GM, who are paid, trusted, people guaranteed to do their jobs. I seriously doubt Joymax will give anyone except these people the power to ban otherwise you'll face serious power abuse.

[myralynn]

That's a good idea... just a kick time. And if they pile up to some point let SRO do the banning... IF they follow through....

That way they can oversee it. But ... that is pretty much what we do now... I send screen shots and complaints and explanations ... but nothing. SO they would HAVE to follow through!

[EwwBabel]

we had some ****** impartial SA's in babel like the hoe sutas

[Rainigul]

I thought SA's got free silk?

I'll be one though, I've been here since near the beginning of the game, pretty active, never botted/bought gold, or any other stuff.

I'd ban all the bots in Kakarokam

[guardian]

well its a good idea, but the problem is the abuse of power/ maturity. "20 years old" doesnt always = to mature person when someone pisses him off. Lots of people are really serious about this game and spends a lot of hard earned money, it easy to get mad/angry.

It joymax has to go over the works that a SA did, it just complicates the situation and gives them an excuse to say " o we have to investigate what SA'a are doing..."

When a SA pms someone the SA will easily be noted, soon there's gonna be a SA list for each server out.. assuming as you said SAs will play as regular player.

A screenshot doesnt always prove someone's botting, and to my knowledge JM has stopped looking at screen shots as proof of botting long ago.

Many people, like me, dont always reply while I grinding unless its from a GM (which never happened) or someone I know...

Well anyways, there are lots of problems associated with this SA thing, and if implimented I see lots of whinning, crying, complining, excuses of wrongful banns in the future...

[achmalach]

Nobody mentioned anywhere that JM wants SAs back again. And in fact SA will never be brought back.

check official forums, idea posted by user MD wants yes/no

if he knows bots and gold buyers then why dont they just ban them?.... lol.... that kinda just says joymax should not even watch the game

Because there is a diff. between checking 10 people and checking 50000

I don't agree that people should just accept being banned when they were AFK for a short time. You'd end up with everyone leaving the game.
I don't think SA's should have the power to ban, only to report stuff to highlight it to Joymax, then let them deal with it. They can check the players history etc.

On another game, to decect macros, if you reported a suspected macro, you reported it, then a macro detect was triggered on their account. This would trace mouse movements, timings etc to determine whether they were really a bot or not. It's simple to put into play and it would avoid people being banned for the wrong reasons.

Everyone is already leaving the game and letting JoyMax deal with it is no a solution is we all know already.
Your second idea sounds great bu again. This is not about solving the bot problem this is how JoyMax can use SA's in a good way

The flaw is, in my opinion, screenshot is not a legitimate proof.

Why would it be not? Screenshots are automatically taken. If screenshots are considered as legit by JoyMax in this case then there is no problem

The reason that the last SA thing didnt work, is because stupid JM goes and recruits unlegit player. The SAs reported ppl falsely and got their friends out of trouble. JM just needs to get a better GM service, not get volunteers from the community.

That and ... the fact they could not do a thing, had no power and there suggestions/remarks/botreports were neglected. So they were just worth nothing.
If JoyMax wants to do it like that again it's just a waste, again...

BlackFox...
The SS issue is as much proof as JoyMax wants it to be
It is easy to check, jeezes if someone receives 5 times 200 million gold from a know goldseller then he is a gold buyer. The problem is the amount of players. But in this case only SA's need to be checked.

And plz read... IF and i say IF they impliment SA's it is only usefull if they give them
A. powers
B. a system that gives them powers indirectly

@others
I agree on the possible power abuse, people are like that. But the double tag system and the screenshots will reduce this greatly. Also SA's can only do temp bans. JoyMax handles the 4ever bans
The global idea of this topic is:
What if JoyMax (as there is a discussion on the official forum) impliments the SA's again? What do they need in order to be something usefull

[Millenium]

Nobody mentioned anywhere that JM wants SAs back again. And in fact SA will never be brought back.

check official forums, idea posted by user MD wants yes/no

Those useless posts on the official forum flood these important things anyway.

Why do all the people think JM can do a good job choosing GOOD SA while they can't even do the GM jobs properly themselves?

[MrJoey]

I don't trust JoyMax enough to believe they could give the right person the power to ban, even if temporary.

i can follow you on this Mr Joey

But as always:
It's better to help a proposal of your boss by feeding it with good ideas and trying to make the best out of it if he is going to execute it anyways.

BTW would you sign up for SA if you have the rights described here?

Just saw this. I might sign up, don't know, but even if temporary, banning is too much power for someone who is not an admin/gm.