Sharp324 wrote:yeah but heres the thing, JM isnt violating their EULA, actually JM's players are
TO JOYMAX: SUE ALL SILK PAYING BOTTERS FOR MAD CASH.
And reduce their income evenmore so by scaring off the player base. I personally think there still milking the cow for all its worth and i would too if i was head director.
Main points that JM has over the offending company:
*JM do not violate their own policy
*JM do not continue to charge apon termination-hence no way to facilitate fraud
*JM do not state in their TOS & EULA that a fair playing field is guaranteed
*JM has no evidence to suggest they are proliferating the spread & use of bots.
*JM do provide answers ( whether good or Poor ) to people who attempt to grain reasoning to their percieved mis-justice. (AKA: block reason: XXXX)
All these points IF taken to court would fall through as un-amounting evidence and the case would be thrown out before the defence even had time to say "LAWL N00b!!11!"
P.S I do not think the lineage II class-action will succeed at all. Probably costing the poor so & so THOUSANDS even if they don't Counter claim. ( IF they did , im sure he would cliff it )
Judging by your reply, you took my sarcasm too seriously.
LOL AT GEORGE BUSH... omg that made me laugh ..... hard.
The fact is yes they do have problems. Similar to Lineage II there are major problems with overcrowded servers here in SRO.
I believe the fact that if you pay for monkey/gold ticket and it is a time based purchase since you cannot even log on during major periosd of the day this is surely considered fraud.
Often I have tried for hours to log in only to give up and have lost time on my Gold Ticket and monkey.
If SRO refunded our time because of this it would not indicate fraud but they do not. We are paying for time spent and we are not getting it.
Furthermore the TOS are the laws of SRO. These laws are not only meant to be strictly obeyed by the user but by the enforcer as well. It is more of a severe crime to not enforce laws correctly than actually breaking laws.
JoyMax does not even come close to enforcing the TOS correctly. Their policing of the servers is a ..... joke.
If we did not have a correct policing of laws in real life can you imagine the mayhem.... well that is what SRO has become because of the slack lazy Korean GM's. There are bots EVERYWHERE. There are more bots than ppl by a long way.
There are scammers everywhere too.
There are gold selling bots that come on just to shout about their powerlevel and gold selling.
We are the minority now in a world of chaos. This is not our fault that it has happened.
The sad honest truth is we have wasted our time because we are honourable and believe in upholding the ideals of the TOS.
If JoyMax had of told me the situation correctly and stated in the TOS the truth about sro I would not have wasted any of my time on this game.
Disagree with me if u will but give me something usefull to argue against and no "stfu noob" comments lol so BlackFox stay out of this one
you sure about that? they did violate it lots of times, but when it was brought up we were told the polices were out of date, i still dont think they have been updated to these so called new versions
edit: operation policy - http://www.silkroadonline.net/cc/op.asp its out of date and has been for ages apparently but as far as we are concerned we have to follow this version because its the only one we have, im not sure if its all different but the punishments at the bottom are different from the punishments joymax give out
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Golly! And I was planing to buy Guild Wars before I found Silkroad. Big Ouch!
I guess they run the same drill in guild wars? That is "let the bots run free" policy?
guild was level cap is 20, i dont think people really need to bot that
no when Botting Happens it happens in MASS numbers
they dont lvl they farm gold,items and rare skin weapons
when i was getting my first 15k amour i saw like 60 bots going outside killin the mobs and collectin gold by them selfs
I guess they run the same drill in guild wars? That is "let the bots run free" policy?
guild was level cap is 20, i dont think people really need to bot that
no when Botting Happens it happens in MASS numbers they dont lvl they farm gold,items and rare skin weapons when i was getting my first 15k amour i saw like 60 bots going outside killin the mobs and collectin gold by them selfs
next day they were gone banned i was thinkin
Good if they were banned, coz a lot of people here are investing on the game. Hope they were banned. I hope.
Nave47 wrote:Quoting add pages to the thread. and GuildWars Isn't really a MMO if you would look in the Introduction of a Dev team member.
I guess I was thinking about the company, and not the game. For if they supposedly promote "free botting", in a game they sponsor, then doesn't that say their other games follow the same twisted logic (don't mind the legit players, we need money more than them)?
user wrote:can anyone get summarized the whole thing into a paragraph or less?
+1. I read the first couple sentences, and was like, bah cant read right now.
high five*
yay for lazyness
Its a great read to bad we can't sue SRO....but at least they don't go all Gestapo on us and silence any threat to the bot community that would be pretty efffed up. I hope those guys win they could all use a couple hundred thousand dollars im guessing
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Bakemaster wrote:It's... a news article. It consists of facts. Facts cannot be libel because they are facts. I have no clue where you got these ridiculous ideas.
The only thing I can think of that he might be talking about is...
This article makes the company in question look bad. If the case was thrown out (the company "didn't do anything wrong") then this article incorrectly (in the eyes of the law) makes the company look bad. If the case was won by those suing the company, then the article is more correct in its claims.
I guess it would be like the Michael Jackson case. He was acquitted (is that the right term?) of all charges. So if someone posts an old article about him being charged for molesting children or whatever, that would be bad. Sure, we can talk about what we think, but posting a "factual" article about a case that is already done and over with is a different story.
That's just my take on what he was saying above....
Missing the good times in SRO...
SRO: 1x, STR Blader (Thebes) 54, STR blader (Venice) 0x, INT wizard (Venice) 19, INT spear (Venice) 34, STR rogue/bard (Venus) 0x, STR blader (Venus) 8x, INT bard/cleric (Gaia)
I just did some searching and found some more interesting stuff:
SKoreans file class action suit against NCsoft over ID theft 03.15.2006, 05:16 AM
SEOUL (AFX) - Thousands of South Koreans have filed a class-action damages suit against the country's biggest Internet game developer, NCsoft, over stolen identities, officials said.
The 8,574 plaintiffs are seeking one mln won each in damages from NCsoft, according to the online law firm Lawmarket.
Lawmarket, which filed the suit, claimed that NCsoft had 'condoned the theft of identies' by gamers to cause mental and physical loss to the plaintiffs.
NCsoft, the developer of Lineage, one of the country's most popular online games, has been under fire since police found some 180,000 game players were using stolen identities.
Gamers have used false identities to illegally trade game items and to hack into other computer systems.
NCsoft spokesman Kim Joo-Young said his company had since removed all of the 180,000 stolen game identifies.
Lineage, an online multi-player game featuring a fantasy war, has been under fire for violence and encouraging online addiction and also for allowing users to trade game items for money.
Lawsuit verdict threatens games firm
Guild Wars publisher insists leak of personal data caused no damage Simon Burns in Taipei, vnunet.com 02 May 2006
NCSoft Corp, the publisher of popular online games Guild Wars, Auto Assault, City of Heroes and Lineage, is to appeal against a court verdict that found it responsible for the theft of several players' personal information.
Although the total damages awarded were small, the case is dangerous for NCSoft because it could provide fuel for claimants who are demanding millions of dollars in another, much larger, identity theft case, an analyst told the Korea Times today.
In the most recent court verdict, NCSoft was ordered to pay about $500 each to five players of the game Lineage II.
Due to a programming error, tens of thousands of players' usernames and passwords were accessible to all users of the game for several days in May 2005, Korean media reported.
The usernames and passwords could give unauthorised people access to players' personal details. The five players who sued the company were among those affected.
The Korean court ruled that NCSoft failed to take adequate care of players' personal information.
"There is little likelihood that the data was leaked outside and we have yet to receive any damage report from it. We think this is a different case compared to other identity theft," an NCSoft spokeswoman told the Korea Times today.
"We cannot accept the ruling because there was no report of actual damage from the case, which involves just the potential risk of information leakage."
While the damages awarded by the court are negligible, NCSoft is anxious to avoid any taint of liability for mishandling users' personal information, say observers.
This is because the company is still reeling from a much larger identity theft case uncovered earlier this year, which may have affected more than one million people.
However, a significant difference is that in this second, larger ID theft case, the leak of personal information appears to have started outside NCSoft with the theft of government ID numbers from various online databases.
These numbers were then used to create bogus Lineage accounts at NCSoft.
The number of people affected by the larger identity theft case has been put at more than one million by government investigators. The case caused an outcry in Korea, and the government has moved to tighten up laws to prevent a recurrence.
A related class action suit initiated earlier this year in Korea demands $1,000 in damages from NCSoft for each identity theft victim.
The company, which has strongly denied liability, would potentially face claims of more than $1bn if that class action suit were to succeed in its present form.
NCSoft will make an operating profit of about $64m this year, on sales of $260m, according to forecasts from Korea Investment & Securities published in February.
While Lineage I and Lineage II are NCSoft's best selling games globally due to very strong sales in Asia, some of the company's other massively multiplayer online games are better known in Western nations.
Most notable among these is Guild Wars, which sold 1.27 million copies last year, according to Seoul-based Hyundai Securities. The company recently released Auto Assault, and plans to release a new online game, Aion, at the end of the year.
Identity theft victims to sue NCsoft
Online games giant faces potential $230m lawsuit Simon Burns, vnunet.com 02 Mar 2006
Lawyers in South Korea have filed a class action lawsuit on behalf of more than 230,000 victims of identity theft in an online game.
The suit will claim damages of about $1,000 for each plaintiff whose identity was used to register new accounts in NCsoft's popular games, Lineage and Lineage 2, according to media reports.
Most of the identify thefts took place over the past six months as underground gaming syndicates stole victims' official Korean ID numbers in hacking attacks and used them to register hundreds of thousands of Lineage accounts.
As reported last week by vnunet.com, the new accounts were then 'farmed' by low paid workers in Chinese gaming sweatshops to generate 'gold' and other game-world items that could be sold for real world cash.
NCsoft has claimed that it registered the bogus accounts in good faith, and has denied responsibility for the initial theft of ID numbers that made the crime possible.
As well as Lineage, which claims millions of players worldwide, NCsoft operates popular games like City of Heroes, City of Villains and Guild Wars in Europe and the US, and plans to release the much-anticipated Auto Assault this summer.
The company earned pre-tax profits of $86m last year on revenue of $346m. Staff who answered a call to NCsoft's office in Seoul decline
As befits South Korea's tech-savvy citizens, who reportedly spend an average of five hours a day online, the lawsuit is being organised through an online legal portal.
Lawmarket Asia allows plaintiffs to 'auction' their cases to the law firm that promises the highest payout or the lowest fee.
The identity theft cases have generated considerable public comment, as well as complaints, in South Korea.
However, a Lawmarket spokesman told the Korea Herald that, as of Tuesday, only about 100 people had joined the class action suit. The company charges each claimant a $1 fee to join.
Korea's Information Ministry has announced a series of measures which it hopes will prevent a recurrence of the mass ID theft.
These include checking that game and website operators have applied up-to-date security patches, and bolstering monitoring activities by the country's Cyber Terror Response Center, a specialised police division. Police have asked China's assistance in tracking down the perpetrators.
In addition, the Ministry said that it will strongly discourage game operators from demanding government identity numbers from gamers, even though this has proved a simple and convenient way to sign up in the past, and will help them develop an alternative system.
As you can see NCSoft has some...issues...
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and i would too if i was head director.
