Upgrading image code verification system

[NuclearSilo]

As u all can see, with this new update, we can only prevent bots which have autologin to login. But what if they login manually then start to botting? They will never log off, unless they have bad graphic card that keep them disconnect from the server.

So i suggest a new method of image code verification :
JM can implement a security code inside the game. A message will pop-up when the character is in state of combat and require the player to enter the correct code (with 3 characters long is enough)(note that running, stalling, talking... are not considered as combat state but only when u touch a monster). The popup message appears each 50~80 mins. Before the message popup 2 mins, there will be a warning alert. Player has 5 mins to enter ; after that or 5 times fails, the player will be disconnected from the server.

As u can see, this is a good way to disconnect a bot. Once it is disconnected, it cant relogin again due to the security when logging in. If u want a better game, why not sacrifice just 10s to fill the code?

[Luoma]

i think its a great idea!... as long as its just a little message in the corner of the screen

[Project-Dragon]

wont stop babysitting but good solution against afk botting

but what will joymax do?

[Deacon]

That is also in Hero online, GREAT ACTION

[Waisha]

Im a newb at computers but is there a way for JM to detect if they log on with a bot or not.

[Flakangaroo]

Bad idea because if you noticed in silkroad if a screen pops up such as a trade screen it stops everything. The person would die and many people would get p/o'ed and quit the game. I strongly suggest 'NO' to this idea.

[BlackFox]

Is stupid Idea , I agree whit Flakangaroo

[NuclearSilo]

Bad idea because if you noticed in silkroad if a screen pops up such as a trade screen it stops everything. The person would die and many people would get p/o'ed and quit the game. I strongly suggest 'NO' to this idea.

As i mentioned above, there will be an alert that warn u when the popup will appear, so u have about 2 mins to stop your combat action and go to a safe place ; u cant die in 10s just for filling the code.

wont stop babysitting but good solution against afk botting

but what will joymax do?

GMs are watching the forum. If the majority of players are agreed with this idea (botter's vote wont count ), they will sure do something like that to prevent bots.

[Luoma]

Bad idea because if you noticed in silkroad if a screen pops up such as a trade screen it stops everything. The person would die and many people would get p/o'ed and quit the game. I strongly suggest 'NO' to this idea.

well i think they could do something to stop it stopping everything?
+ yea as Nuclearsilo said, there could be like a 2 or even 10min alert before it will come up.

[Megalomaniac]

Annoying to log in -.- But if it keeps bots from re-logging then i guess its a good thing after all.

[durant]

As u all can see, with this new update, we can only prevent bots which have autologin to login. But what if they login manually then start to botting? They will never log off, unless they have bad graphic card that keep them disconnect from the server.

So i suggest a new method of image code verification :
JM can implement a security code inside the game. A message will pop-up when the character is in state of combat and require the player to enter the correct code (with 3 characters long is enough)(note that running, stalling, talking... are not considered as combat state but only when u touch a monster). The popup message appears each 50~80 mins. Before the message popup 2 mins, there will be a warning alert. Player has 5 mins to enter ; after that or 5 times fails, the player will be disconnected from the server.

As u can see, this is a good way to disconnect a bot. Once it is disconnected, it cant relogin again due to the security when logging in. If u want a better game, why not sacrifice just 10s to fill the code?

Such a bad idea. It would be extremely inconvenient for players and Joymax, I'd imagine.

What they need to do is update protectors (the things that "prevent" auto attacking). If they take on the name and info of the monster you summon it on, then bot programs can't tell the difference. They should also make it so that, when you die from attacking a protector, you loose more experience and are disconnected. It'll impede botters a good deal.

[Luoma]

Such a bad idea. It would be extremely inconvenient for players and Joymax, I'd imagine.

What they need to do is update protectors (the things that "prevent" auto attacking). If they take on the name and info of the monster you summon it on, then bot programs can't tell the difference. They should also make it so that, when you die from attacking a protector, you loose more experience and are disconnected. It'll impede botters a good deal.

im pretty sure they can. people who bot usally use a thing called "Pink Mob", that is when they edit the packet files so that all the monsters go pink. then the bot program searches for pixels that are pink. the protectors isnt pink, the bot wont attack it. if it has name or not.

[AngerFist_]

Only autoit bots use pink mobs and those bots suck. also GG blocks autoit scripts.

EDIT - oh i see GG is gone. But still autoit bots are slow and rarely hit the target, so they're still useless.

[Luoma]

Only autoit bots use pink mobs and those bots suck. also GG blocks autoit scripts.

well i still dont think taking away info about them will work >_<

[NuclearSilo]

As u all can see, with this new update, we can only prevent bots which have autologin to login. But what if they login manually then start to botting? They will never log off, unless they have bad graphic card that keep them disconnect from the server.

So i suggest a new method of image code verification :
JM can implement a security code inside the game. A message will pop-up when the character is in state of combat and require the player to enter the correct code (with 3 characters long is enough)(note that running, stalling, talking... are not considered as combat state but only when u touch a monster). The popup message appears each 50~80 mins. Before the message popup 2 mins, there will be a warning alert. Player has 5 mins to enter ; after that or 5 times fails, the player will be disconnected from the server.

As u can see, this is a good way to disconnect a bot. Once it is disconnected, it cant relogin again due to the security when logging in. If u want a better game, why not sacrifice just 10s to fill the code?

Such a bad idea. It would be extremely inconvenient for players and Joymax, I'd imagine.

What they need to do is update protectors (the things that "prevent" auto attacking). If they take on the name and info of the monster you summon it on, then bot programs can't tell the difference. They should also make it so that, when you die from attacking a protector, you loose more experience and are disconnected. It'll impede botters a good deal.

So it means that if i spawn a protector next to u, because it has the same name and shape like other mob so u cant tell the difference, u'll hit it and die and lose exp. Is that what u want?

[Grimjaw]

Annoying to log in -.- But if it keeps bots from re-logging then i guess its a good thing after all.

[durant]

As u all can see, with this new update, we can only prevent bots which have autologin to login. But what if they login manually then start to botting? They will never log off, unless they have bad graphic card that keep them disconnect from the server.

So i suggest a new method of image code verification :
JM can implement a security code inside the game. A message will pop-up when the character is in state of combat and require the player to enter the correct code (with 3 characters long is enough)(note that running, stalling, talking... are not considered as combat state but only when u touch a monster). The popup message appears each 50~80 mins. Before the message popup 2 mins, there will be a warning alert. Player has 5 mins to enter ; after that or 5 times fails, the player will be disconnected from the server.

As u can see, this is a good way to disconnect a bot. Once it is disconnected, it cant relogin again due to the security when logging in. If u want a better game, why not sacrifice just 10s to fill the code?

Such a bad idea. It would be extremely inconvenient for players and Joymax, I'd imagine.

What they need to do is update protectors (the things that "prevent" auto attacking). If they take on the name and info of the monster you summon it on, then bot programs can't tell the difference. They should also make it so that, when you die from attacking a protector, you loose more experience and are disconnected. It'll impede botters a good deal.

So it means that if i spawn a protector next to u, because it has the same name and shape like other mob so u cant tell the difference, u'll hit it and die and lose exp. Is that what u want?

I apologize for not being so clear. It would take on the name, level, or whatever information bot programs use to attack certain mobs. It would still have the shape of a protector.

[Doppleganger]

It would be nice to have something like that but not have a pop up or even a warning while your grinding. I think it would be better if the pop up came when your in safezone.

Example: when you go to repair at blacksmith or get potions then the pop up comes. then type in a quick 2-3 letter/number code then your off.

[IguanaRampage]

I was thinking of that myself. And if the popup came in the safezone, afk stallers would lose out more than botters. However, I also think that all mobs should freeze for this time being, and it cannot occur if you are close to a unique.

[Da_Realest]

They just implemented the verification code. Don't expect major changes or Joymax to consider suggestions anytime soon to the system. Its nice to make suggestions but be content with the current situation we are in for now.

Your idea would become to much of a hassle. Nothing is fool proof. It may take a while but bot makers would manage to overcome it one way or another and it would only put much more strain on the legit players playing.

[IguanaRampage]

They just implemented the verification code. Don't expect major changes or Joymax to consider suggestions anytime soon to the system. Its nice to make suggestions but be content with the current situation we are in for now.

Your idea would become to much of a hassle. Nothing is fool proof. It may take a while but bot makers would manage to overcome it one way or another and it would only put much more strain on the legit players playing.

bot players aren't that brilliant. If Yahoo! and other companies use image verification to minimize spam from their e-mail accounts, I think it is a good solution.

[Frozen]

Finally a great idea that's been implemented, Grats to Joymax.

[Voidream]

Alternatively they could have something similar to the fatigue system runescape introduced. In runescape, with each action you did, e.g. fighting a mob, mining, smithing, crafting etc, your fatigue level goes up a bit. And each time you want to reset your fatigue level you have to do image
verification.

Joymax could implement a similar system where you have to do image verification every every 200 mobs or so. Not doing the 'fatigue' reset makes you unable to attack any more mobs. As has been suggested, I think a short 3 alphanumeric image should be enough.

[Da_Realest]

They just implemented the verification code. Don't expect major changes or Joymax to consider suggestions anytime soon to the system. Its nice to make suggestions but be content with the current situation we are in for now.

Your idea would become to much of a hassle. Nothing is fool proof. It may take a while but bot makers would manage to overcome it one way or another and it would only put much more strain on the legit players playing.

bot players aren't that brilliant. If Yahoo! and other companies use image verification to minimize spam from their e-mail accounts, I think it is a good solution.

Never underestimate the enemy. I'm pretty sure thats what Joymax did and why the game is in the state its in now. You must also realized that not all image verification processes are the same.

Anyway, technology is constantly changing allowing some things to become easier to accomplish than before.

[Naoto]

It wouldnt be too much of a hastle.

It gives you 5 mins warning, it pitches up say really small, and next to your health, or somewhere not in the way, it lets you have 5 mins leway... i.e finish off your mob or whatever your doing and in the meantime then after type in, it takes 5-6secs to type in 3 characters.
Those who don't, get one second attempt (For those that happen to go afk for some reason or another for 10mins) before getting kicked and banned for 24hours (or whatever punishment is deemed). There has to be a second attempt for those who are legit. I'm not sure how it could be implemented, but its an idea.

Not a big thing, plenty of time and warning.

No need to pause game or anything.

I cast my vote, it's a great idea!

[borat2]

this sure is a great idea but you cant stop gold farming bots like this you just make the problem even bigger, just cause they will get disconnected each 50-80minutes just will make them create even more gold farming bots to be sure they still get enough gold, i am even more surprised that for example on redsea the gold farming bots have moved to less active (less common) places to grind, this is one thing i am really happy about this of course prevent players from getting annoyed/ks by bots.

The only way you can stop gold bots is by doing something about the economy and ban gold buyers anything else will just make the problem probably even bigger.
Joymax bans the gold farmers - they create new ones
Image code - creates more bots just to be sure that when you have to log in it is worth the time.
Making bots disconnect - even more bots to get the gold in the same time.

STOP BUYING GOLD AND STOP OVERPRICING ITEMS (our western culture just messes up this game that is all) then the problem will be solved.

[XMoshe]

I really like the idea. It isnt to hard to enter a code every hour =)

[Damir]

yea i suggest that one month ago, before Image Code Verification system

http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic ... 0&start=30

[monet]

i think idea is good, but the image should be simple. i dont like this black whit e ones cos once i made the correct guess in 3/3. like i know what is 0 or O or B or 8 with all that shit over it.