90% Sword/Shield OR Hybrid Spear??

_Raven_ · Post by **_Raven_** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:57 pm

i just started the game and would like some advice if its not too much trouble..i would like to make a PvP char and was asking which is a better choice for pvp and pvp only..A 90%(While naked) s/s knock-down nuker or a int hybrid spear(mag balence at 80-85 while naked)?

im pretty sure this is the wrong place to post , but i posted in the characters and skills section and only got one response

phoeniXofury · Post by **phoeniXofury** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:02 pm

i'll see if i can help.
when you say PvP and PvP ONLY, im going to say that its generally accepted that a normal pure int (no SoS) cannot kill a pure str at its level (no SoS). just because a pure str in garments should be able to tank through it all if he plays his character right.

as pertaining to your question about which build would last longer in PvP, a s/s at 90% magic balance would. however, if you wanted to make a hybrid spear, his magic balance SHOULD NOT be 80-80% while naked, it should be 90% atleast.
in either case, the int will usually get killed by a strength. however, a hybrid int will definently last longer in jobs and PvP than a pure int - at the sacrifice of a little bit of damage in the nukes.

hope that helped. gluck man.

_Raven_ · Post by **_Raven_** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:14 pm

any other thoughts?

Nuklear · Post by **Nuklear** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:20 pm

phoeniXofury wrote:if you wanted to make a hybrid spear...it should be 90% atleast.

When going hybrid w/spear you want less than 90%, not more.

And there's really not one better class. Spear and s/s both have their ups and downs. It's all on what you want.

taintofsleep · Post by **taintofsleep** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:30 pm

Teh Str/Fire/bow is teh l33tzor, well if you want to do what this emoticon is doing :banghead:

phoeniXofury · Post by **phoeniXofury** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:19 pm

Nuklear wrote:
phoeniXofury wrote:if you wanted to make a hybrid spear...it should be 90% atleast.

When going hybrid w/spear you want less than 90%, not more.

And there's really not one better class. Spear and s/s both have their ups and downs. It's all on what you want.

oh, really? my bad, Raven... thought i had read 90%+ in all the other posts that ive read about nukers... im a pure int nuker, so i never had to worry about that kind of stuff. but now, im thinking of adding a bit of str so i'll fare better in jobs and PvP and stuff like that too...
thanks for the correction Nuklear. arent you on Athens?

Frozen · Post by **Frozen** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:30 pm

What are you talking about an int without sos can't kill a str?
I kill str's my lvl all the time by just using a +3...

phoeniXofury · Post by **phoeniXofury** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:39 pm

Frozen wrote:What are you talking about an int without sos can't kill a str?
I kill str's my lvl all the time by just using a +3...

must be a noob str. its generally just accepted that pure str would beat a pure int in PvP, provided that they have the same gear (not like, you both wearing garment, but as in, no SoS, + or anything).
anyone here can back me up? i know that im, if i can say so myself, a good int player, and 3/5 times i lose to a str. my tactic is just to nuke, ghost-walk away, nuke him, KD and killing heaven. ghost-walk if not dead, nuke. KD, killing heaven... rinse and repeat. anyways, by the time you get all 3 books of killing heaven, when you do a KD you should be able to do some massive damage while hes down...
but str should be able to tank through it all.

underK · Post by **underK** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:12 pm

im hybrid int, 95-6% with items, dont remember naked lol...
im using spear, and the reason are:
-being hybrid i have a little more of phy defense than full int, so shield is useful but less than for the full int
-knockdown didnt help me a lot to kill... and its hard to kill only with nukes, so spear skills (ghost spear and shoul spear) are nice for pvp
-being hybrid u have a little less mag attack, but u can compese that with spear (because it have more att than sword)
-pasive heuksal is great, 1k of hp more

its hard to kill str chars, but i can kill them with spear, and it was very difficult for me when i used sword. of course, luck is important: stuns, crits... if they havent got sos, if they have them and u havent maxed skills... u cant do anything :/
but i can tank a lot of full str for some time... and kill them like 30-40% of times (im talking about normal ones, no noobs, no sos)

_Raven_ · Post by **_Raven_** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:17 pm

i was kinda leaning towards 90% knock-down nuker.. i ssaw some pvp videos and they did pretty well at hugher lvls.. but i also lean towards hybrid spear because like u say , you have hp and knock-down+stab wont do enough dmg..

errr i just wanna figure out which to choose... i dont wanan be lvl 50+ and realise that i made a bad choice then have to spend millions on curst hearts lol

phoeniXofury · Post by **phoeniXofury** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:33 pm

well, lets say this:
passive heuksal gives you about 1K plus at current mastery cap.

with a shield with a nice BR (they go up to as high as 23, i think), you can block about 1/5 of those 1k damages. that means, in the long run, you should be able to tank a little bit better? dont know if that reasonings right...
anyways, if you add critical block or whatever its called to your shield and lessen the chance of those nasty bow crits, along with glavie and blades...

just my reasoning. i would go with hybrid int spear if i were going hybrid int, as going hybrid int with a sword-shield kinda defeats the purpose. and like the guy above me said, the higher damage with the spear will compensate for the additional str.

also, remember that curst hearts can't lower str / int that you put in, so thats another reason to make your decision now.

i generally think that sword (bicheon) chains are better looking.

its all about being a pimp.

underK · Post by **underK** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:40 pm

with the pasive of heuksal i were trying to say that its compenses the def and block of shield...
for me is like almost the same def (but without blocks...), but with spear better damage

its only my point of view :wink:

IguanaRampage · Post by **IguanaRampage** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:42 pm

phoeniXofury wrote:i'll see if i can help.
when you say PvP and PvP ONLY, im going to say that its generally accepted that a normal pure int (no SoS) cannot kill a pure str at its level (no SoS). just because a pure str in garments should be able to tank through it all if he plays his character right.

as pertaining to your question about which build would last longer in PvP, a s/s at 90% magic balance would. however, if you wanted to make a hybrid spear, his magic balance SHOULD NOT be 80-80% while naked, it should be 90% atleast.
in either case, the int will usually get killed by a strength. however, a hybrid int will definently last longer in jobs and PvP than a pure int - at the sacrifice of a little bit of damage in the nukes.

hope that helped. gluck man.

Correction: a pure int can very often kill a pure strength, just not as often as a pure strength can kill it. Alchemy does slightly favor ints however. Spear mag balance he's got the right idea... 80%-85% is often very good. Here is my opinion:
You want to be pretty good against strength builds? Go for the sword. However this takes quite a bit more farming
You want have a slight advantage over many pure int builds? Well, hybrid sword is also very good for this but hybrid spear can really do damage to pure ints, because all it takes is one stun on SoulSpearSoul and they are basically gone.
But to be honest, i wouldnt really worry about it now. You have time to decide once you make your build.

Those slight differences in magic balance can be easily changed. You can go pure int til 50 or 55, then hybridize by pumping in strength until u find something u like, then keep that naked balance consistent.

_Raven_ · Post by **_Raven_** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:09 am

the thing is im lvl 16 right now,pure int and farming at bandit den...and id like to make my choice before i hit 30+, because i heard thats when curst hearts will cost alot.. :banghead:

IguanaRampage · Post by **IguanaRampage** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:30 am

_Raven_ wrote:the thing is im lvl 16 right now,pure int and farming at bandit den...and id like to make my choice before i hit 30+, because i heard thats when curst hearts will cost alot..

dude ive done this many times. OK here's what to do:
#1: Curst hearts are free. But they take time to gather and it takes a lot of money to use them.
#2: You are pure INT at the moment. THAT IS WHAT MAKES YOU FLEXIBLE. As a pure INT who has not reached level 68, what really matters are your force trees, basically fire, lightning, possibly cold, and if u want force. Right now I would suggest lvling with bow if you are farming, so get the bow mastery up a bit. After 30, try to use the strongest weapon possible for grinding, usually a spear.
#3: Who says you have to de-lvl masteries? No-one. The gold and time put into it alone is definitely not worth the sp. The big reason sto do it are that you might run out of masteries, but thats pretty much impossible until lvl 7x, or that you want to de-lvl your masteries so that you can farm at the cap. So wait until at least 5x or 6x to de-lvl bow, force, ice, spear, sword or whatever you want to de-lvl at that time, and wait until you hit the cap to do the 2nd option.
You have time. Look around for some youTube vids and see what you like, watch some pvp at Donwhang South Gate, then decide. Remember, there is no wrong choice, because these are both great builds.