What will we do when thieves spawn hunters?!

PimpC · Post by **PimpC** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:01 pm

I know there is a new patch coming soon where hutners will spawn on theives instead of theives spawnign on tehives. I'm wondering how we will thief if we can't pop. I mean honestly no one does 2 star trades lvl 60 and under, and they usually have other high lvl escorts I cant kill. Basically this means we can't theif until we are that high lvl which is no sucks because I like it.

This may escalte into things like traders poping traders with a thief friend so he can get his goods. Man this shyte would suck and I think that the fun of trading might even go away because it's so easy to make a 1* run.

Joymax has to make it so ppl will do 2* more often. Maybe this will even promote hunters actually hunting trade runs as oppose to running around aimlessly killing theives. This patch would seemingly make theiving hard, and will promote theives poping thieves more than it does.

I really hope joymax doesnt **** up with this patch...

PR0METHEUS · Post by **PR0METHEUS** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:47 pm

I definitely agree that something needs to be done to convince traders to do more multi stars. There are SOME low level multi stars every once in a while, but it is rare.

I thought part of this patch was to make the spawned thieves only attack the player that spawned them. If that's true, then traders wouldn't be able to pop other traders and thieves wouldn't be able to pop other thieves. I could be wrong about the patch though.

I think what they need to do is make some sort of max level gap for jobbers. For example, you can only attack a jobber that is less than 5 levels below you, or be attacked by a jobber 5 levels above you. Then at least the attacked jobber would have a chance to survive the attack. If that's done, more people would be willing to try a multi star. No one (low lvl) wants to do a multi just to be owned by a lvl 50+ thief.

haegar · Post by **haegar** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:59 pm

2* and more is just not worth it. My last 2 star trade did not even reach the bridge near Jangan, before i was 2 rounded by some random high lvl thief. Did not mind too much, because i was on my way back to fulfill some "do not teleport" quest and he saved me a lot of time.

But otherwise ? Risk versus reward already sucks in trading 1* not to mention anything above.

Megalomaniac · Post by **Megalomaniac** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:59 pm

Take a friend(trader)and have him to spawn theives on onther traders and pick up the loots.

That hard?

PR0METHEUS · Post by **PR0METHEUS** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:03 pm

Megalomaniac wrote:Take a friend(trader)and have him to spawn theives on onther traders and pick up the loots.

That hard?

Yeah, but as I said above, I thought the upcoming patch would prevent this, making the spawns only attack the player that spawned them. Is this not the case?

AuronTidus · Post by **AuronTidus** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:04 pm

cant wait for that pacth and i dont know mabye you guys just dont know were to look for multi stars cause i see so many thiefs find them if they know where to look

Megalomaniac · Post by **Megalomaniac** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:07 pm

I dunno about that patch.
But if they gonna patch it this way then its pretty much the end of theives.
Nothing else to do except fighting with hunters at the gates.
Or MAYBE kill a 2* once a month when you actually find one.
Other than that the theif suit would be useles.

If they dont patch it this way then the technique i suggested earlier would be the only way i believe.

PR0METHEUS · Post by **PR0METHEUS** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:13 pm

Megalomaniac, you may be right about that. Patching the system to only allow spawns to attack the player that spawned them would end popping altogether, but if no one does multi stars, then true there would be no point to thieving.

However, some people DO do multi stars. You just have to know where to look. If there was a level gap restriction like I mentioned above, more people would do multi stars because there'd be a greater chance of survival AND a higher profit gained (for the trader).

It just doesn't seem fair that a lvl 50+ thief can just sit in a circle at the ferry and let his NPCs OWN any low level trader that happens to pass through, and then grabbing the dropped loot.

CureForLife · Post by **CureForLife** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:15 pm

being stuck in the same job suit for a week should be interesting too

Nuklear · Post by **Nuklear** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:19 pm

I don't see what the worry is. Many high lvls do multi* trades, mostly b/c they have friends or union to rely on or need money more than a low lvl would. Besides, hunting has been a baren job as it is (no reward), but w/the update they get auto cash for helping out. You almost can't hunt for yourself even in your 6th deg b/c of high lvl thiefs, so what's the big deal now that they're turning it around (visa versa)?

There will always be multi*'s. Period.

CureForLife · Post by **CureForLife** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:21 pm

yea the new reward system should tempt more hunter/traders to do multistars for big rewards.

Tohak · Post by **Tohak** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:22 pm

- When selling trade goods, for each additional person in party, there will be bonus job xp given. (when the trade is successful, obviously)

- When someone in party kills someone of opposing job, for each additonal person in party, there will be bonus job xp given.

- When the trader successfully completes the trade run, and sells off the goods, the hunter will be given money for his work.

- For each additonal person in party, there will be bonus MONEY made for a successful trade.

Hunters will get paid for helping traders make their trip so this patch will give more reason for hunting. There will be more traders+hunters grouped which probably makes them more eager to take multistar loads. The more people in party, the more money they get thus making big caravans will be best option. Thieves will have to start working more together as well to hijack those protected multi-star caravans.

If you know about real world Silkroad's history, you know that those caravans weren't small - one man trying to get from middle-east to china wouldn't have survived the trip. It was group effort and that's what it should be about in this game as well.

Main reasons why we haven't seen so many multi-star trips in my opion is that at the moment this game "teaches" you to play it solo, team work hasn't been essential so tight friendly groups aren't formed so fast as in other team based mmorpgs. I hope this changes later with trade, guild quest and european patches.

PimpC · Post by **PimpC** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:23 pm

All these ppl are talking about there being multi stars.....

PLZ tell me where to find multistars..without many lvl 70 hunters escorting...I dont like 1* poping that much because I feel sorry for the low level traders, unfortunatly I seem to have no choice but to popppp.

If there is a place where multi stars can be found I would like to know.

PR0METHEUS · Post by **PR0METHEUS** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:25 pm

CureForLife wrote:i thought that patch also removed not being able to attack 1 stars?

I would think it would... otherwise if 1 stars simply cannot be attacked, everyone would do 1 stars all day and the thief job would be destroyed.

I say let thieves attack 1 stars, but restrict how much higher level they can be. This also goes for multi stars.

PR0METHEUS · Post by **PR0METHEUS** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:33 pm

PimpC wrote:All these ppl are talking about there being multi stars.....

PLZ tell me where to find multistars..without many lvl 70 hunters escorting...I dont like 1* poping that much because I feel sorry for the low level traders, unfortunatly I seem to have no choice but to popppp.

If there is a place where multi stars can be found I would like to know.

Well regardless of how many stars are on a trade, ALL traders have to go through the ferries. There are only 2 ferries between Jangan and Donwhang, so if you camp out at a ferry long enough, you should find a multi star. Camping will get boring quickly, but if you really want that multi star, that method will work.

I don't think anyone can really identify a specific place to look other than that. I would say at least look in areas away from the roads. Multi star traders will likely try to avoid popular routes because that is where all the danger is. I sometimes see a multi star going through hills/fields that lie between different paths (think the hills between the paths from the east DW gate and south DW gate).

BlindSpear · Post by **BlindSpear** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:38 pm

PimpC wrote:All these ppl are talking about there being multi stars.....

PLZ tell me where to find multistars..without many lvl 70 hunters escorting...I dont like 1* poping that much because I feel sorry for the low level traders, unfortunatly I seem to have no choice but to popppp.

If there is a place where multi stars can be found I would like to know.

The guys that thieve on my guild never popped and they always find multi-stars to robb. Maybe go thieve with them someday... right now i think ur... lazy

PimpC · Post by **PimpC** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:57 pm

Thanks for that uh constructive critisim Blindspear...Your in my union why would you bash me lol.

Nuklear · Post by **Nuklear** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:19 pm

1* popping @ low lvls =

Waste of time for the thief, not enof cash earned

High chance of death caused by high lvl hunter or trader

I still don't understand why low lvls 1* pop. You gain the same or more gold from grinding (items/gold) than you do if you're only going to 1*

At lower lvls the only job worth doing is thiefing w/friends and going for the gold (pun intented), or trading multi* with your friends.

PimpC · Post by **PimpC** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:43 pm

I thief because I think it's fun. Not just one star poping, but looking for a load and being chased by hunters. So what if I die a lot I lose no xp from it because I make it up by killing my npc theives. It's not necessarily benifital, but I think it's fun. Grinding is much more boring that theiving.

Fullmetal947 · Post by **Fullmetal947** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:52 pm

Some noob traders go for 2*+ w/o realizing it can be killed by player thieves. They shouldn't do this patch cuz it will ruin the entire game. And what does a Hunter NPC where? Prolly just a Hunter Suit and messes up the game.

pingpongboss · Post by **pingpongboss** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:23 pm

PimpC wrote:All these ppl are talking about there being multi stars.....

PLZ tell me where to find multistars..without many lvl 70 hunters escorting...I dont like 1* poping that much because I feel sorry for the low level traders, unfortunatly I seem to have no choice but to popppp.

If there is a place where multi stars can be found I would like to know.

the point of being multi star is so that you avoid the thieves

If I encountered a thief while doing a multi, I only have a 50/50 chance of making it to the end.

PimpC · Post by **PimpC** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:30 pm

Well I people keep saying theres all these 2* loads and im just wondering where because I sure don't see them.

ShizKnight · Post by **ShizKnight** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:36 pm

People that bitch about 1* popping: Go do a 2*. Then you have nothing to complain about.

PR0METHEUS · Post by **PR0METHEUS** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:39 pm

PimpC wrote:Well I people keep saying theres all these 2* loads and im just wondering where because I sure don't see them.

Well the multi star traders wouldn't be in any certain spot. They're usually better at hiding off of the main paths because they have a larger cargo to protect and more enemies (player thieves) to protect themselves from. You just have to be good at searching.

Crumpets · Post by **Crumpets** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:47 pm

Multistars theres 2 routes most multi stars take when going hotan > Donw. its either completey under and around the heukma den thru the oasis and shit, the other actualyl goes thru the den, up via the bridges and thru the ongs.

Jangan, most for some reason, specially the 2x's go thru the bandit camp. Just 1* pop while you can. Hardly anyone worth robbing does multi* nowadays

Uber_Wang · Post by **Uber_Wang** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:53 pm

If they were smart (but they obviously aren't) they would make trade runs worthwhile. I mean, why do a trade run when the profit made is so small as to be pathetis in my opinion.

Increase the profit margin on trade runs and you'll get a fun game.

NiteBlade · Post by **NiteBlade** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:00 pm

Wow, I am shocked to see thiefs make a thread crying about not being able to pop traders with the new update that will be coming soon. I'm gonna tell you like thieves tell traders that complain. Stop Whinning, get over it! All you guys maybe should think about not thiefing, if you are scared of challenges within in the game. This excuse that you are giving about not enough multistars is bull, if you can't kill an hunter that is doing his job protecting the traders, maybe you should think about another profession or go level up or thief in groups. There are plenty of ppl doing multistars everyday all day. You guys that pop are just too lazy to challenge yourself to go out and find these trades, you sit around at ferrys with convoy waiting for lowbies traders to come by and pop them. I'm not pointing any fingers or trying to flame its just sad to see you guys complain that "it's the end of thieves" oh pity you. When low level traders complained all you saw was, "go level up" "don't do trades then" "get over it" "wait til you lvl 60+". I'm here to say it will be ok guys, go challenge yourself, scout areas plan your thiefing put a little effort into what you do if not don't do it at all.

Dark · Post by **Dark** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:03 pm

NiteBlade wrote:Wow, I am shocked to see thiefs make a thread crying about not being able to pop traders with the new update that will be coming soon. I'm gonna tell you like thieves tell traders that complain. Stop Whinning, get over it! All you guys maybe should think about not thiefing, if you are scared of challenges within in the game. This excuse that you are giving about not enough multistars is bull, if you can't kill an hunter that is doing his job protecting the traders, maybe you should think about another profession or go level up or thief in groups. There are plenty of ppl doing multistars everyday all day. You guys that pop are just too lazy to challenge yourself to go out and find these trades, you sit around at ferrys with convoy waiting for lowbies traders to come by and pop them. I'm not pointing any fingers or trying to flame its just sad to see you guys complain that "it's the end of thieves" oh pity you. When low level traders complained all you saw was, "go level up" "don't do trades then" "get over it" "wait til you lvl 60+". I'm here to say it will be ok guys, go challenge yourself, scout areas plan your thiefing put a little effort into what you do if not don't do it at all.

^^ x500bajillion

To prove our point:
http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=17727
http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=18407

As Ice771x so nicely stated: "stop whining. go train. the end."

PR0METHEUS · Post by **PR0METHEUS** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:12 pm

NiteBlade wrote:Wow, I am shocked to see thiefs make a thread crying about not being able to pop traders with the new update that will be coming soon. I'm gonna tell you like thieves tell traders that complain. Stop Whinning, get over it! All you guys maybe should think about not thiefing, if you are scared of challenges within in the game.......

I couldn't agree more. Too many thieves complain that there are "never any multi star traders" in the game. They ARE out there. Of course it will be harder to find them because they are (should be) more careful about protecting their trade. I might find the occasional multi star when I thief, and some days I find none at all. I still find the hunt more enjoyable than just sitting at a ferry on my transport waiting for a trader to pop.... BORING! I have absolutely no plans to pop, and I'm glad they're making this update. Don't be a lazy thief. Use your skills, thief in groups if need be.

This update certainly is not the end of thieving. It will make the job more challenging, rewarding, and enjoyable.

thekwong · Post by **thekwong** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:08 pm

PimpC wrote:All these ppl are talking about there being multi stars.....

PLZ tell me where to find multistars..without many lvl 70 hunters escorting...I dont like 1* poping that much because I feel sorry for the low level traders, unfortunatly I seem to have no choice but to popppp.

If there is a place where multi stars can be found I would like to know.

why would u have no choice but to pop? just dont thief. seriously, theres no such thing as routinly surviving multistars. It should be 1 star = unattackable

2 star, 2 levels up, 2 levels below players can attack you
and so on.

5 levels makes a big difference, and imagine the numbers of theives youd have to fight against.