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[Ryoko]

For a kick, why don't we do a poll to see who feel they should fear him?

Because this board officially does not support hackers, his actions or his links.

Period.

[Suppaman]

Holy crap what are waiting for lets all go to the north pole and stop this hackers asss.

so this is the guy behind all this hacking. Still sounds like a jerk.

[jabbers]

By that definition of terrorism you could consider the germans who helped hide/protect the jews during the nazi regime to be terrorists. What they were doing was certainly illegal at the time. It's not so black/white an answer. From what I read of santa suggestions, all of those are concerns I have seen posted numerous times prior in the different forums. The botting, CCFing, the DC hack, the trade exploit ect.

Only his methods are questioned but that's for use to choose the lesser of two evils in making an opinion.

[XuChu]

[Q: On what server you playing with your own character?
A: I am not betray this, but the most liked by me servers are Venice and Greece. From this two servers origniate Santas "zolls".

YEY!!1! venice is the best!!!! with all our cool events (my siggy) and a 1337 bot hunter yee! doggy!!!

and roflmfao @

Q: I used once a bot - why I am must be punished?
A: Change a "why" for nothing and question marks for exlamation point. <---LOL

THIS IS A CHRISTMAS MERICLE!!! lolercakes

[Suppaman]

lolz @XuChu

lolz im getting the feeling that el Capitaine amd Scar Face dont like each other.

[XuChu]

lolz @XuChu

lolz im getting the feeling that el Capitaine amd Scar Face dont like each other.

????

[Jeronimo]

This Polish guy is great He's doing the right thing. If I could I would do the same so w2g santa

btw I have a new hobby now...bot-exploiting

[Suppaman]

lolz @XuChu

lolz im getting the feeling that el Capitaine amd Scar Face dont like each other.

????

i always see Ryoko and Anh arguing in a thread. lolz or the nice way of saying it whic is debating. but nvm

back on topic!

[Bakemaster]

Adults can argue and not automatically dislike each other beacuse of it.

[Anh_Hung_Rom]

People have different opions. Talking about it helps bridging the gap, or at least look at things from a different perspective and get an understanding.

And what bake said.

[Meth0d]

Extremists and rabble rousers. Some of you are the same ones spamming "ZOMG" SRO IS TEH DED after an inspection runs 20 minutes over the expected time. All any of us can do at this point is speculate. There are certain actions that do point in specific directions but some if you are already stating your opinions as if though they were proven fact. Unless you have 1st hand knowledge and can back that claim up all your doing is being speculative. I have far more to say on the topic but I feel that I'm not well enough informed to openly state any opinion. Please guys keep this civil cause the truth is no one here REALLY KNOWS. Were all just guessing, theres no need to flame someone for guessing differently then you. Thanks to Nighbloom for the informative refferences, she seems to be the only one backing up what they says when speaking on the subjective matters in this discussion. And Cheers to the rest who handled the objective topics objectivly.

[Ryoko]

Insurgents want the troops out. So they cut off heads and make demands.

These people want the bots out. So they strip and hack accounts, and make demands.

I'll either post the beheading clip, or make a another comic of it

Eventually, you'll understand what happens when:

I want the botter gone and I don't care how

And no, I dont mind debate unless start crossing the line of who owns the forum and makes the final decisions on whats allowed.

[Bakemaster]

There is a huge difference between terrorists who kill innocent people and hackers who target cheats. If this "Santa" fellow is being completely honest, and if his source for these accounts truly is a list of those who have botted, then he is not targeting innocent people. He is targeting people who have made a decision to compromise the security of their own accounts in order to cheat. Whether the act is still immoral or not can be debated, but in that situation the comparison to terrorists is no good.

[Ryoko]

Why not?

Insurgents also believe what they are doing is right, 100% and people deserve it.

[smokingisdeadly]

I think its highly unappropriate and rather silly to make a connection between anti-botters and terrorists.

And now you are threatening my hippy treehugging eyes with a beheading clip or another paint comic of Osama and Saddam. Why is this? To get your point accross? If so it's a crude way of argumenting that's generally frowned upon. (I like to dress up in army clothes and call myself representative of the general public)

Now ofcourse this is your forum, where your scepter rules and I am but a guest in your house, but you gave me the ability to express myself here, within the bounds of decency so know if you want a descent discussion, I am confident I can combat your points about terrorism and its apparent connections to anti-bot hackers, yet I admit I am not even sure I would want that discussion.

Good day sir

[Ryoko]

I could just bury the topic completely. The links are already prohibited.

The subject could be as well.

[Bakemaster]

Why not?

Insurgents also believe what they are doing is right, 100% and people deserve it.

Teachers believe what they are doing is right, 100% and people deserve it. Should I compare them to terrorists as well?

I am not saying there is nothing at all they have in common. I am saying that the difference of whether they choose to involve innocents is a big enough difference that the comparison is neither incredibly useful nor incredibly accurate.

[Suppaman]

Adults can argue and not automatically dislike each other beacuse of it.

haha lol. okay whatever you say.

[Crumpets]

My ingame polish m8 just said Santa and his possy are getting sued by joymax for hacking and other illegal shit..

Harsh cause he did do us a favoud clearing liek 1k ppl form the servers... but I keep to what I always said he shoudl of only posted the IGN's and disgrace them

Anyway looks like joymax only acts when it loses $$

[nightbloom]

I think that you guys arent looking at terrorism the same way that Ryoko is...

Mirriam-Websters defines it as "the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion". I dont see right or wrong in that definition. It doesnt say, if you believe your position is just, then it isnt terrorism. THis guy is using fear as a tool to force a group of ppl to do things his way. THat IS terrorism. He isnt the "law" as we see it in SRO, that is JoyMax's job. The last I looked, if a group of ppl in America decided they didnt like, say drug dealers, they would still get arrested for breaking into their houses, stealing all their belongings, publishing their names and addresses without due process and selling the profits for themselves. You trust the police because their actions are overseen and restricted to methods that are acceptable in a court of law. They are not some underground group posting anonymous manifestos with vague threats. Joymax, like law in real life, takes time to mete out justice because there is a process to protect the innocent and ignorant. I accept JoyMax as SRO law....this Santa guy, I dont know him from Adam and have no reason to trust him and several reasons why I shouldnt.

[Jeronimo]

My ingame polish m8 just said Santa and his possy are getting sued by joymax for hacking and other illegal shit..

Harsh cause he did do us a favoud clearing liek 1k ppl form the servers... but I keep to what I always said he shoudl of only posted the IGN's and disgrace them

Anyway looks like joymax only acts when it loses $$

Now if that's true then Joymax = shit and hackers > Joymax

[Bakemaster]

THis guy is using fear as a tool to force a group of ppl to do things his way. THat IS terrorism.

No he's not. He is using technology to steal things. That is theft. He's not forcing any group to do things his way. He's made it very clear that he thinks Joymax is dropping the ball, but he hasn't made any threats or demands. Nowhere did he say he would leave these botters alone if Joymax got their act together. He hasn't done any clowning around like "zomg I will hax joo next!!!" All the fear here is coming from people who think he's going to hack them because they've had some contact with the bot, and people who think he's going to hack them because they've got paranoid delusions about being hacked if they press the wrong button in-game.

[Crumpets]

Aint that the truth Bake lol

[Ja]

actually... there was someone who hacked the bot369 server a while back me thinks... the bot server crashed and went down... as well as the site itself... let me find the post.

EDIT:

iSROBOT v1.26C
Posted: Selling @ Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:48 pm
iSROBOT v1.26C
download: http://www.bot369.com/download/sroboten1.26c.exe
MD5:35CD026AAEBEB4E3F26486383D05EF2A

sro_client.exe v1.056
download:http://www.bot369.com/down/E1.056sro_client.rar

Changelog: Seems have fixed the crash bug a little bit.

Also, from what I have heard, the bot server was being/is being/will be being attacked by someone. There is a new option on the bot config. window for you to choose to log into another backup bot server whenever you are facing logging-in difficulties.


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[nightbloom]

THis guy is using fear as a tool to force a group of ppl to do things his way. THat IS terrorism.

No he's not. He is using technology to steal things. That is theft. He's not forcing any group to do things his way. He's made it very clear that he thinks Joymax is dropping the ball, but he hasn't made any threats or demands. Nowhere did he say he would leave these botters alone if Joymax got their act together. He hasn't done any clowning around like "zomg I will hax joo next!!!" All the fear here is coming from people who think he's going to hack them because they've had some contact with the bot, and people who think he's going to hack them because they've got paranoid delusions about being hacked if they press the wrong button in-game.

OK, what about someone like Chaud, who DLed the bot to "see how it worked" or Moogie, who admitted to the same thing... Do they deserve to be hacked because Santa thinks JoyMax dropped the ball? What about the guy that used it once, had a change of heart and stopped? What about the guy that let his little friend use his account and that person used a bot once? What about the guy that thought what he was DLing was a little program like the one that ImOn56K made for selling items and the deleted it? Dont even tell me that ppl arent that stupid, cause yes, they are. What about, what about, what about... Im sure that Santa will catch ppl who are actual, real hardcore botters. But if even one of those ppl arent, then yes, he is a terrorist. He has instilled fear in the hearts of otherwise happy ppl, cause we know from the casual acceptance of Chaud's bot use that not everyone with a third party program for SRO is a bad guy, right?

[Bakemaster]

Do they deserve to be hacked because Santa thinks JoyMax dropped the ball?

Nobody "deserves" to be hacked. That doesn't make them innocent.

Im sure that Santa will catch ppl who are actual, real hardcore botters. But if even one of those ppl arent, then yes, he is a terrorist.

I'm surprised that you of all people can't see how one-dimensional that thinking is. I guess maybe I should blame Bush for overusing the word "terrorist" so that people think it applies to anyone who even indirectly causes someone to be afraid. What a hysterical mindset. There are innocent bystanders in war; are all generals terrorists? There are innocent bystanders in drug busts; are SWAT teams terrorists? And yet, the people you're talking about aren't even innocent bystanders. They involved themselves in one way or another by compromising the security of their own account and/or violating the TOS.

Do I feel sorry for them? Sure, in the same way that I feel sorry for someone who has been told a million times, "Don't do that, you might get hurt." Then they get hurt, and I am sorry that it happened to them, but if they had listened to the warnings and used common sense they'd be fine. It's not like they were taking a stroll to buy some milk and someone held up the convenience store and shot them by mistake. It's more like, they left their car unlocked overnight, and now it's gone.
- Am I sorry it happend? Of course!
- Does this make their neighbor afraid that perhaps his car will be stolen? Of course it does!
- Is the carjacker a terrorist? Hell no!

Keep in mind that this is all based on the assumption that he's being honest about his means, motive, and purpose. If he's lying about that, and his goal really is to cause fear and chaos, then I'll call him a terrorist.

[Tohak]

What I think is that we probably see "mass banning" in coming weeks/months if those published accounts are indeed proven to be botter accounts and we probably see those banned who accessed those published accounts and stripped them empty since I'm pretty sure JM is now aware of this and is logging IPs/client IDs who access what accounts - since sharing accounts and hacking into someone's account is considered illegal by their operation policy they can ban those people too.

[nightbloom]

Do they deserve to be hacked because Santa thinks JoyMax dropped the ball?

Nobody "deserves" to be hacked. That doesn't make them innocent.

The natural rejoinder to that is, "It also doesnt make them guilty."

Im sure that Santa will catch ppl who are actual, real hardcore botters. But if even one of those ppl arent, then yes, he is a terrorist.

I'm surprised that you of all people can't see how one-dimensional that thinking is.

The justice system seems to share this one-dimentional view. If I go to jail for a crime another person is found to be guilty of, I get compensated. I wonder if Santa is willing or able to do the same. I know JoyMax is.

It's more like, they left their car unlocked overnight, and now it's gone.
- Am I sorry it happend? Of course!
- Does this make their neighbor afraid that perhaps his car will be stolen? Of course it does!
- Is the carjacker a terrorist? Hell no!

He might be considered so if he published in the newspaper that every single person in America who has ever left their car door unocked is now a criminal and being as how the law isnt properly taking care of this issue to his satisfaction, he has now decided to steal every single car in the US that has ever had it's car door unlocked overnight. Not only that, but now, locking your car door does no good, repentance and a change of your former unlocking ways is immaterial, you will have no car in the morning.

Keep in mind that this is all based on the assumption that he's being honest about his means, motive, and purpose. If he's lying about that, and his goal really is to cause fear and chaos, then I'll call him a terrorist.

Yes, the honest criminal... I wouldnt have suspected you of being the type to believe in fairy tales Bake.

[Ezeckiel]

Why you guys use the word "flarking" ?

whe you type "F ... i n g" in a post it replaces automatically by flarking... funny way to keep it clean, no ?

example Farking

EIDT IT worked. I did not typed flarking !

[Bakemaster]

Do they deserve to be hacked because Santa thinks JoyMax dropped the ball?

Nobody "deserves" to be hacked. That doesn't make them innocent.

The natural rejoinder to that is, "It also doesnt make them guilty."

Don't throw that rhetorical bullshit at me. They gave someone else their user information. That is what they are guilty of. Stupidity is a reason, not an excuse.

The justice system seems to share this one-dimentional view. If I go to jail for a crime another person is found to be guilty of, I get compensated. I wonder if Santa is willing or able to do the same. I know JoyMax is.

I don't give a rat's ass about the justice system. Which justice system? The almighty court of the internet? It has no bearing here. And even if it did, who's going to jail? "Santa" is not a court, he is a vigilante. He is not imprisoning people, he is stealing their posessions. And if his list comes from a master list of bot users, nobody on that list is innocent! If we're going with the legal metaphor, they committed a crime with no statute of limitations and no maximum sentence. By using the bot even once, that account is forfeit, including any future gains no matter how legitimate. If they didn't happen to be banned by Joymax when they botted, that doesn't mean their guilt is absolved. Justice does not say, "It's only wrong if you get caught."

It's more like, they left their car unlocked overnight, and now it's gone.
- Am I sorry it happend? Of course!
- Does this make their neighbor afraid that perhaps his car will be stolen? Of course it does!
- Is the carjacker a terrorist? Hell no!

He might be considered so if he published in the newspaper that every single person in America who has ever left their car door unocked is now a criminal and being as how the law isnt properly taking care of this issue to his satisfaction, he has now decided to steal every single car in the US that has ever had it's car door unlocked overnight. Not only that, but now, locking your car door does no good, repentance and a change of your former unlocking ways is immaterial, you will have no car in the morning.

That's a different situation. People who leave their car doors unlocked are not criminals, but players who bot are. Changing your ways is all well and good, and if someone repents and starts a new account and never bots on it, they are in the clear! But not the account they used the bot on. They lost the right to keep that account. Too bad, good bye. Should have changed your password.

There are honest criminals. A criminal is someone who breaks the law. Sometimes it is just to break the law. I will forever trust the word of a just man over the word of a man who is only obedient.