what chars still stand now?

[iSkated]

hey im wondering what build is at its prime now?

im saying glaviers or pure int s/s no? they are good.

[Emarosa]

warrior/cleric
bow

^ both way over used.. take your pick

[diotron123]

well i think we said them =D

warrior/cleric is top
force glaivers and bowers are next
then s/s nukers after that

[Amro]

bowers? they are weak as hell, i dont really know from where you get that bowers are strong
maybe they are strong coz they are good survivors ---> kb spammers
bowers are weak, deal with it, int s/s can kill bower easily, and warrior too
his skins + bless = 90 sec, int has 120sec snow shield, also warrior sometimes MUST switch weapon during skins --> skins removed
you
are
all
wrong

[Emarosa]

bowers? they are weak as hell, i dont really know from where you get that bowers are strong
maybe they are strong coz they are good survivors ---> kb spammers
bowers are weak, deal with it, int s/s can kill bower easily, and warrior too
his skins + bless = 90 sec, int has 120sec snow shield, also warrior sometimes MUST switch weapon during skins --> skins removed
you
are
all
wrong

you just proved yourself wrong.. a bower could kb spam a warriors bless/skin and a int's snow shield easy..

[Amro]

bowers? they are weak as hell, i dont really know from where you get that bowers are strong
maybe they are strong coz they are good survivors ---> kb spammers
bowers are weak, deal with it, int s/s can kill bower easily, and warrior too
his skins + bless = 90 sec, int has 120sec snow shield, also warrior sometimes MUST switch weapon during skins --> skins removed
you
are
all
wrong

you just proved yourself wrong.. a bower could kb spam a warriors bless/skin and a int's snow shield easy..

and that prove their weakness

[reyvenb]

I say Warrior / Cleric. They always stands up on PvP.

[Emarosa]

If they can cover there weakness with something as simple as spamming kb, how are they not effective in pvp?

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

bowers? they are weak as hell, i dont really know from where you get that bowers are strong
maybe they are strong coz they are good survivors ---> kb spammers
bowers are weak, deal with it, int s/s can kill bower easily, and warrior too
his skins + bless = 90 sec, int has 120sec snow shield, also warrior sometimes MUST switch weapon during skins --> skins removed
you
are
all
wrong

you just proved yourself wrong.. a bower could kb spam a warriors bless/skin and a int's snow shield easy..

and that prove their weakness

bowers lack the defence/block of bicheon users and the hp of heuksal users
but they have an advantage on the range and knocback..
what do they do with their skills?
use their KB and range advantage to temporarily make their weakness subpar.

you call it weakness, i call it tactics...


otherwise you could call a wizard using charged squall or fear just a detour to death as well
or you could call warriors pansies by using skins/bless/heals to not die

skills exist to be used...

[IceCrash]

u guys fawking suck, this game's meant to have group pvp, the only class that should be discussed as legal to 1vs1 is chinese

so u going around saying shit bout warrior cleric is dumb

god fking damn it.

[Amro]

bowers lack the defence/block of bicheon users and the hp of heuksal users
but they have an advantage on the range and knocback..
what do they do with their skills?
use their KB and range advantage to temporarily make their weakness subpar.

you call it weakness, i call it tactics...


otherwise you could call a wizard using charged squall or fear just a detour to death as well
or you could call warriors pansies by using skins/bless/heals to not die

skills exist to be used...

charged squall has cooldown 10 sec, how many sec cooldown have both knockback skills?
ppl spamming it 2 minutes and then kill some1, nice tactics bro

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

charged squall has cooldown 10 sec, how many sec cooldown have both knockback skills?
ppl spamming it 2 minutes and then kill some1, nice tactics bro

sorry i forgot you use one of the only classes endangered by such weak attacks and rely on party members most of the time

[Amro]

charged squall has cooldown 10 sec, how many sec cooldown have both knockback skills?
ppl spamming it 2 minutes and then kill some1, nice tactics bro

sorry i forgot you use one of the only classes endangered by such weak attacks and rely on party members most of the time

im not talking about wizard

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

charged squall isn't wizard then?
And so far the only use for arrow combos is to immobilize 1 opponent, not all to helpful in group situations if dealt with correctly.

regardless of that fact,
who'd waive any skill giving them an advantage,
would you stop using cleric sub to stay alive?

[Amro]

charged squall isn't wizard then?
And so far the only use for arrow combos is to immobilize 1 opponent, not all to helpful in group situations if dealt with correctly.

regardless of that fact,
who'd waive any skill giving them an advantage,
would you stop using cleric sub to stay alive?

i was talkin about int s/s, and you mentioned charged squall

w/e, everyone has own opinion, but i dont like ppl which say this or this char is the best without any experiences

[Fiction]

I lol'd to say that bow is weak because they have to uses KB? So would it be okay if glaviers stopped using stuns, s/s stop using knock downs, clerics stop using heal, wizards stop using that lightning shit that is gay as F... etc etc

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

i was talkin about int s/s, and you mentioned charged squall

i already explained the weaknesses and advantages and referred to wizard as a class with the same weakness and a similar attack

w/e, everyone has own opinion, but i dont like ppl which say this or this char is the best without any experiences

experience isn't the problem here
haters gonna hate, the game gives you material, it is your choice on how to use it.

I lol'd to say that bow is weak because they have to uses KB? So would it be okay if glaviers stopped using stuns, s/s stop using knock downs, clerics stop using heal, wizards stop using that lightning shit that is gay as F... etc etc

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was gonna note that as well:
without any effects to help, the game would lose diversity and just become a hack and slash game depending on who hits the buttons quick enough.

[Amro]

i was talkin about int s/s, and you mentioned charged squall

i already explained the weaknesses and advantages and referred to wizard as a class with the same weakness and a similar attack

w/e, everyone has own opinion, but i dont like ppl which say this or this char is the best without any experiences

experience isn't the problem here
haters gonna hate, the game gives you material, it is your choice on how to use it.

I lol'd to say that bow is weak because they have to uses KB? So would it be okay if glaviers stopped using stuns, s/s stop using knock downs, clerics stop using heal, wizards stop using that lightning shit that is gay as F... etc etc

[img]

was gonna note that as well:
without any effects to help, the game would lose diversity and just become a hack and slash game depending on who hits the buttons quick enough.

agreed with this..

[Majorharper]

Hybrid light ice spear.

With full nova

[Panu]

Warrior/clerics and Dual wep glavie/blader.

[jyushinshuu]

Warrior/clerics and Dual wep glavie/blader.

I Agree with dual weapon glaive/blade, I think its the most interesting build.

[sn1kzZe]

if every class spams their gay buff, i dont even care whos on top.

but if you take normal pvp into account (no kb abuse, no firewall abuse, no bless+skins abuse).

1. warrior
2. glavie
3. bower

int s/s ? dont make me laugh, i already proved in another thread around here, int s/s cant tank DD crit from warrior WITH snow on.

(both full son both have +10 nova).

[Amro]

int s/s ? dont make me laugh, i already proved in another thread around here, int s/s cant tank DD crit from warrior WITH snow on.

(both full son both have +10 nova).

double DD crit?

[Crowley]

if every class spams their gay buff, i dont even care whos on top.

but if you take normal pvp into account (no kb abuse, no firewall abuse, no bless+skins abuse).

1. warrior
2. glavie
3. bower

int s/s ? dont make me laugh, i already proved in another thread around here, int s/s cant tank DD crit from warrior WITH snow on.

(both full son both have +10 nova).

I think a lot of builds can't tank a DD crit lol.

And I have to completely agree with Amro, as a pure int spear I simply don't pvp bowers/bladers because they only have 2 skills in their arsenal, KB for bowers and KD for bladers. I have a pvp video of me pvp'ing against a str bow, he kb'd me for 2 minutes until my snow was up, then kb'd me some more and THEN he started to attack me for real. That is not pvp.

And as for you guys that said glaive, I don't really agree with you. Maybe it's because on ZSZC force debuffs haven't been added yet, but if I pvp a glaiver 90% of the time I'll win, even with my garms.

[Amro]

I think a lot of builds can't tank a DD crit lol.

at this cap i saw just one glavier surviving double DD crit (with nova 2h)

[SneakyBanana]

I'm a 110 FF Warrior/Cleric with a nova 2h, just a normal +5 fb set.

I rape all other euros, every class, pvp vs other warriors is annoying and never ends!

Chinese classes the only build I have problems with is INT S/S, there is only one who can kill me and he full nova. Nukes me for 3x a nuke!

I do not use skins or bless in pvp or else I could probably own his aswell.

Int spear sucks, he is full nova 110 ff and I rape him before his 60% snow even runs out!

I have NEVER seen any build stand up after my double DD crit.

[pizzagirl2008]

is grains delay nerfed or still the same 4 seconds cooldown?

[William-CL]

bowers? they are weak as hell, i dont really know from where you get that bowers are strong
maybe they are strong coz they are good survivors ---> kb spammers
bowers are weak, deal with it, int s/s can kill bower easily, and warrior too
his skins + bless = 90 sec, int has 120sec snow shield, also warrior sometimes MUST switch weapon during skins --> skins removed
you
are
all
wrong

I noticed you have an s/s nuker lol. Not saying they can't, but everyone always stick up for THEIR favorite build. Which is exactly what they should be doing. Play it for fun, not a class you don't like cause it's strong. 2hWarrior + DareDevil crit = Int s/s Dead. In the End at cap, gear matters more than class a lot of the time. I've seen plenty of Bowers beat warriors and vice versa.

[sn1kzZe]

I'm a 110 FF Warrior/Cleric with a nova 2h, just a normal +5 fb set.

I rape all other euros, every class, pvp vs other warriors is annoying and never ends!

Chinese classes the only build I have problems with is INT S/S, there is only one who can kill me and he full nova. Nukes me for 3x a nuke!

I do not use skins or bless in pvp or else I could probably own his aswell.

Int spear sucks, he is full nova 110 ff and I rape him before his 60% snow even runs out!

I have NEVER seen any build stand up after my double DD crit.

than you obviously dont know how to play your build right:

fully loaded warrior should have close to 60k hp correct? nukers best nukes are delayed, you could see them coming miles ahead, you as a warrior have 3 skills that could interrupt him, and you can even execute 2 of them before the nuke goes off.

and if 1 nuke hits you, you suppose to have healing cycle AND you can still sprint/kb/stun to recover properly.

ofcourse any standing char would die from int (wiz or nuker), but that never happens if you use all your skillset.

[SneakyBanana]

I'm a 110 FF Warrior/Cleric with a nova 2h, just a normal +5 fb set.

I rape all other euros, every class, pvp vs other warriors is annoying and never ends!

Chinese classes the only build I have problems with is INT S/S, there is only one who can kill me and he full nova. Nukes me for 3x a nuke!

I do not use skins or bless in pvp or else I could probably own his aswell.

Int spear sucks, he is full nova 110 ff and I rape him before his 60% snow even runs out!

I have NEVER seen any build stand up after my double DD crit.

than you obviously dont know how to play your build right:

fully loaded warrior should have close to 60k hp correct? nukers best nukes are delayed, you could see them coming miles ahead, you as a warrior have 3 skills that could interrupt him, and you can even execute 2 of them before the nuke goes off.

and if 1 nuke hits you, you suppose to have healing cycle AND you can still sprint/kb/stun to recover properly.

ofcourse any standing char would die from int (wiz or nuker), but that never happens if you use all your skillset.

A s/s nuker with a good BR on the shield can cause problems for a warrior, also when they use firewall, makes it pretty hard to fight them.