The Wizard build, over-rated? Boring? Trite?

[BladeSkillz]

Maybe I'm wrong but this why I'm making this topic. I want to hear SRF's input on this.

Why the hell are so many players making wizards?

I personally HATE the build. Its so boring and one dimensional.

All you can really do is nuke nuke and nuke.

One shot or be one shotted.


I made a character on Ares (currently level 49) and everywhere I go to train I get ksed by wizards. (and I mean EVERYWHERE!)

Sure I can make a share exp party and they will all die but then I will suffer because I kill pt mobs too slowly and thus I will level slower. Besides, I try to convince those that train around me to stop ksing so I can increase player respect but it seems like all the players on Ares are always botting afk or are so rude that they tell me to just go somewhere else. People like this really bug me because they have such a childish mentality. They are so selfish that a spot with a great spawn rate good enough for 3 or 4 people isn't enough to share with one person.

I feel like in the last few months there has been a wave of players like this and people have been making wizards solely because it motivates their selfish and greedy mentality and rewards them with fast leveling; of course when they get to level 90 they will either just bot 24/7 for drops or just quit. It seems so pointless.

I feel like most of these wizard players are just rude and selfish. They don't give a damn about the community of the server; they are simply playing solo and letting the power of their character go to their head.

This is never what the build was supposed to be. Hell, no euro's were supposed to be played solo. However these players manage to do it and quite successfully at that.

What does this all mean? Well quite simply the build is overpowered and unbalanced. You can try to deny it but when too many players are making a common build it obvious that there is something wrong and changes need to be made to diversify character selection and promote the use of other builds.

Summary: I hate wizards, they are too common, and the players that use them are greedy assholes.

/rant

[Phaidra]

So all Wizards are childish, botting, selfish people?

Whatever.

And who says Wizards get one shot? 1 vs 1 a Chinese should obliterate any Euro according to the system but does this happen? Let this video spell it out.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xZOsQhD1Aho

I made my Wizard because I like to unique hunt, PvP just sucks unless It's group based.

And there's more to it than just nuking, there's other skills too.

[BladeSkillz]

I should have clarified this in my first post. I'm not discussing the pvp aspect of wizard. Although I think pvp with a wizard is more boring than watching paint dry.

Everything in my first post relates to PVE only.


and ps. I'm sorry if I offend anyone. Obviously not all wizards are like this. My argument however is that there are too many that ARE like this and the wizard build ENCOURAGES it.

[CeLL]

mot everything is about pvp, wiz is fun in parties.

[Phaidra]

Of course we could argue the same about bladers and using there KD to KS mobs.

[Snoopy]

Wizards are hardly fun. Unless they have a sub, which too is fully farmed that allows them to tank (So basically not even using wizard, but classing yourself as wizard) like cleric.

[Azilius]

Many people who play this game think "Damage = good". While this is partly true we know by party play and more that it isn't all you need to succeed. Sadly the majority who play this game are retarded and thus build the most damage dealing class, wizard.

Welcome to SRO, land of the idiots.

[BladeSkillz]

Many people who play this game think "Damage = good". While this is partly true we know by party play and more that it isn't all you need to succeed. Sadly the majority who play this game are retarded and thus build the most damage dealing class, wizard.

Welcome to SRO, land of the idiots.

Thank you, this is another point I was trying to convey.

[Phaidra]

So now were idiots for wanting maximum damage? Okay.... I knew the cons of a Wizard before making it.

To me being a Chinese build is a waste of time considering they're suppose to own Euros outright 1 vs 1 and we all know It's not the case.

Infact I'm betting an all 8/8 China party would struggle to kill one Wizard and one Warrior with both cleric sub.

[Azilius]

So now were idiots for wanting maximum damage? Okay.... I knew the cons of a Wizard before making it.

To me being a Chinese build is a waste of time considering they're suppose to own Euros outright 1 vs 1 and we all know It's not the case.

Infact I'm betting an all 8/8 China party would struggle to kill one Wizard and one Warrior with both cleric sub.

Maybe you can't read or maybe you're one of the retarded people but I clearly stated the majority. No one said Chinese were supposed to own euro 1v1 and everyone knows euros are strong together. Did your post have a point or were you just PMSing?

[BladeSkillz]

Do I have to repeat. You clearly aren't reading my posts.

WE ARE DISCUSSING PVE NOT PVP.

Please stop trolling in my topic.

[Phaidra]

Try solo grinding a wizard and tell me what's selfish exactly. You spend most of your time moving away from party mobs. If someone KSes you It's probably a bot or an arsehole, and this doesn't just apply to Wizards.

[BladeSkillz]

And yet whats fastly becoming the number one build by far?

Wizzard.

Why? Because it's so easy to ks other people with one.

[Phaidra]

Personally I hate to KS others considering I one shot none party mobs, but you're right there are those who KS all day 24/7 and they are annoying. The most annoying because of there damage, but it also applies to a lot of builds who can KD.

Most are afk, just generate some party mobs and take them down, if they're not afk wait for a party giant as they will often wait for you to tank it, then just stop and wait for it to aggro them. Being Euro for me helps as I can take off there buffs depending on the buff and add my own and then remove it.

Plus if It's some botter and you get him/her to die a lot they'll drop there rod or even staff if they're in the middle of using there rod.

[Smi!ezZ]

The truth is... EVERYBODY tries to KS others. I am a 2H warrior and I find entertainment in Sprint Assault + Turn Rising for the KD in order to KS a nuker.
Wizards are just the best at it. Since they have such quick and powerful attacks, they can KS with ease.
If I were a wizard I would do the same thing.

It is the best thing in the world of grinding to have a spot all to yourself, and KSing is a great way to accomplish that.
Survival of the Fittest, BABAY!

[BladeSkillz]

The truth is... EVERYBODY tries to KS others. I am a 2H warrior and I find entertainment in Sprint Assault + Turn Rising for the KD in order to KS a nuker.
Wizards are just the best at it. Since they have such quick and powerful attacks, they can KS with ease.
If I were a wizard I would do the same thing.

It is the best thing in the world of grinding to have a spot all to yourself, and KSing is a great way to accomplish that.
Survival of the Fittest, BABAY!

It's people like you that ruin this game.

[Smi!ezZ]

No it's not people like me that ruin this game.
It is botters who ruin this game lol.

[BladeSkillz]

People who always ks me and don't know how to share a spot ruins my gaming experience.

And I'm talking about big training areas with heavy spawn rates where it's very easy to just not ks and never have a conflict..

[PocketSunshine]

Personally, I like wizards. They're very powerful builds, and with a sub mastery, they're pretty solid builds. Not everyone who chooses a wizard is selfish and greedy. They can be fun to play if you know how to use it correctly. If you want to talk about selfish and greedy for power, then take a look at all those gold buying sun hogs. It's people like that who, imo, are the ones who let the power go to their heads.


Yeah, Euros were meant for party play... But a lot of servers don't have share parties available all the time. I very rarely see a share party that's not a taxi. That means I'm forced to solo grind 95% of the time. I've just gotten used to it after awhile. And then there are some people who just prefer to train solo over partying with others. Honestly, I think if someone wants to train solo with their Euro then I think they should be able to without people complaining about how that's not what they were made for. Sure, they die more often than a Chinese but it's not that bad once you know how to use your character.


And it's not always wizards KSing. There are plenty other builds out there KS other players too. I see a lot of rogues and nukers KS just as much as wizards. Some people just don't care what they do in a game. There's nothing you can do about it. I hate it when people KS me too, but complaining about it isn't going to make it go away. Either deal with it or move to another area.


Are the overpowered? Not really. Every build has its pros and cons. Wizards are damage dealers and not tanks. Wizards shine in PvE and unique hunting, so a lot of people choose this build because of that. Are they too common? Yeah, they are. They're simple builds that are easy to get use to and they're very strong.

[SwordCloud]

Many people who play this game think "Damage = good".

Damage is more than good,if you party playing then he have just to party playing to make you more damage.
Wizzard are overpowered they almost one hit int s/s with snow with one nuke(same gear and weapon +/blue i mean).
Moreover they can go invisible at job for kill more and more,and if they got subclass cleric they can have much defence for make more and more damage.
For simple word :Wizzard are overpowered.
And btw this game is building on "best player",so one shot kill is not boring..

[Cavalorn]

So now were idiots for wanting maximum damage? Okay.... I knew the cons of a Wizard before making it.

To me being a Chinese build is a waste of time considering they're suppose to own Euros outright 1 vs 1 and we all know It's not the case.

Infact I'm betting an all 8/8 China party would struggle to kill one Wizard and one Warrior with both cleric sub.

As you may have noticed, nobody can kill someone in bless spell. Try to pvp without that radiciously overpowered buff, and see the result.
And dont give me that ItsLikeChineseCouldOnlyUse1Mastery shit... I dont have to switch weapon to use my imbu.

On topic: Wizard is the Turk's build. When a turk switches to wizard, the only difference he notices is that now he can 1 shot ppl.

[NobleHunter]

Over-rated? no. Greedy? from the point of view of a chinese player of course, i would be mad too if my fully pimped char is 2 hitted by a wiz with +4 gear.

[penfold1992]

when some1 uses bless spell i dont know whats so hard to you guys! just RUN AWAY, run around for a minute, they may call you noob but who cares if they rely on bless to kill any1 that its self is just noob.
PVP aspect - wizzies get owned without bless, lionshout + firewall = ownage

but anyway otp:

euros are for SOLO PLAY. if any1 makes euros for party play you are wasting your time. (unles ur on venus blah blah blah dont start this please)
after the penons no1 party plays and your solo for the rest of the game. maybe the party play at chasers at 86 ish but your probably party playing with afk bots who wont support you anyway.
euros are ok for solo play, better then a 1h warrior or something which is slow, but there not the most exiting build.

as bladez is right. overpowerful and unbalanced is true

[PureStr]

imo if you manage to find a party mobless area, grinding with a wizz is heaven.

[wootpops]

ill just wait for oryx to come along in here.

[Ragnorak]

So all Wizards are childish, botting, selfish people?

Whatever.

And who says Wizards get one shot? 1 vs 1 a Chinese should obliterate any Euro according to the system but does this happen? Let this video spell it out.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xZOsQhD1Aho

I made my Wizard because I like to unique hunt, PvP just sucks unless It's group based.

And there's more to it than just nuking, there's other skills too.

most start off builds would be Chinese nukes/wizards....cap them (unfarmed)...go to ongs pvl. 1-2 accs..for 600-1mil Sp..pvl. them to cap..

and WTF at the video...if a wizard uses life turn over vs me they will die over there bless spell....if they use bless/phy. absorption then fan + vigors..should be enough till the absorption skill runs out,,high chance of getting stun,kb in the process as well....though that wizard had sun for def...the glavier had sun for attacking so it should of been able to kill that wizard over bless spell..oh well..
imo..I still don't think wizards are good for pvp.

just makes me wonder how many times that wizard die as well,,,probably with bless..and of course when her bless ran out.

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

I should have clarified this in my first post. I'm not discussing the pvp aspect of wizard. Although I think pvp with a wizard is more boring than watching paint dry.

Everything in my first post relates to PVE only.


and ps. I'm sorry if I offend anyone. Obviously not all wizards are like this. My argument however is that there are too many that ARE like this and the wizard build ENCOURAGES it.

LOL, true that.. and this is the arrogance you have to face with most of them..

turk:*invisible, 1 hit kill me* "noob"
me:"come out you coward and fight like you aren't missing your balls somewhere in safezone now"
wiz:*runs out and kills me while i'm buffing up* "noob"

Try solo grinding a wizard and tell me what's selfish exactly. You spend most of your time moving away from party mobs. If someone KSes you It's probably a bot or an arsehole, and this doesn't just apply to Wizards.

because you simply CANT HANDLE EM on your own, you know this..
the reason isn't selfishness here..

Does not apply to wizards eh?

I experience LOOOADS of ksing while grinding with a party.. basically bots..
or the other 50% wizards and Rouges
basically fágs who cant kill them alone, but dont bother to try and coperate with others:
SELFISH , there you have it


Monotonous Pile of shit builds. to be honest, i'd take take chinese over them anyway
there might be a few good ones out there.. but either you guys are hiding or pwr lvling lol

[4reaLz]

PvP just sucks unless It's group based.

LOL


i hate wizards also, no fun 1 hitting and the having to run back to the safe zone

[Crowley]

The one word that describes wizards the best - Irritating.

[Jazba]

From PVE point of View 90cap = Pure INT's
LvL 88 mob = magical attacks only, they hit shit amount of damage to pure int. even party gaint hits only 1000 or less
LvL 87 mob = partial magical, cuz he got both kind of attacks.
LvL 85 mob = physical hits only

it the same thing as 80 cap, when pure ints were forced to grind @ sham n mages, n pure str used to grind on 79-80 mobs, so now its their turn to gain benefits ^_^