[Comparing] Spear **to** Sword & Shield

[czx]

im tring to compare Spear to S/S

as for now i can comapre the fact that at max level spear got around 1k-1.2k hp more then s/s beacuse s/s got the block rate and an addition str points from the shield

and the knock down to stun
even tho the damage you can make while knocked down is higher then the damage you can make untill the character is out of stun. (not talking about lvl 60 vs 30)

but i cant compare the face to face damage
does the maximum adition of 6 int to shield can help compare the amount of damage spear make to the damage s/s make?

[4reaLz]

wat

[Davids]

Each build has its cons and pros and everything depends on the situation your in, the playing style you like and what you want to do. No need to compare.

[czx]

Each build has its cons and pros and everything depends on the situation your in, the playing style you like and what you want to do. No need to compare.

taken.

+1

i made this post because i wanna know what to proceed with spear or s/s
and i love the spear damage and the fact that it got extra hp from the skill tree
but i love the level 64 devil sword

[NuclearSilo]

no, 6 int cant make difference

when using nuke
dmg a spear nuke on a s/s = dmg a s/s nuke on a spear
but using weapon skill spear > sword

[Fly]

no, 6 int cant make difference

when using nuke
dmg a spear nuke on a s/s = dmg a s/s nuke on a spear
but using weapon skill spear > sword

u know less about sro then u do about the confed.

a sword nuker will outdamage and outlive a spear nuker easily now that sword has 2 bleed skills and division. at 100 cap sword will also have fear which is almost like stun only does not stop movement.

spear nukers have been gimped by joymax and they are now a thing of the past when it comes to pvp. they cant servive vs a euro and chinese destroy them also.

[Disconn3cted]

no, 6 int cant make difference

when using nuke
dmg a spear nuke on a s/s = dmg a s/s nuke on a spear
but using weapon skill spear > sword

u know less about sro then u do about the confed.

a sword nuker will outdamage and outlive a spear nuker easily now that sword has 2 bleed skills and division. at 100 cap sword will also have fear which is almost like stun only does not stop movement.

spear nukers have been gimped by joymax and they are now a thing of the past when it comes to pvp. they cant servive vs a euro and chinese destroy them also.

the 100 cap chain has dull, fear, and stun

[tedtwilliger]

Fly i think he was referring to a single nuke when the target is stationary, rather a situation where fighting has already occurred earlier ( or in your situation bleed and division being put on )

[NuclearSilo]

a sword nuker will outdamage and outlive a spear nuker easily now that sword has 2 bleed skills and division. at 100 cap sword will also have fear which is almost like stun only does not stop movement.

spear nukers have been gimped by joymax and they are now a thing of the past when it comes to pvp. they cant servive vs a euro and chinese destroy them also.

If I have pill, what would be the result then?
The noob never knows the existence of the pills
Not mention he could have force cure too

[UniQ]

you cant pill off knock down... and a s/s can KD and stab you as long as he want + he can block;) i think that's why a s/s is better then spear when it comes to pvp...
not to mention the great defense you get from a good shield and the ''critical blue''

sure spear isnt bad at all, but at pvp i rather have s/s:)

[Fly]

a sword nuker will outdamage and outlive a spear nuker easily now that sword has 2 bleed skills and division. at 100 cap sword will also have fear which is almost like stun only does not stop movement.

spear nukers have been gimped by joymax and they are now a thing of the past when it comes to pvp. they cant servive vs a euro and chinese destroy them also.

If I have pill, what would be the result then?
The noob never knows the existence of the pills
Not mention he could have force cure too

the chain puts on status 1 at a time. the pill will get rid of one, then another comes and the pill is still recharging. force cure? thats cute. 1 out of 100 ppl even have force.

next time u want to give advise, do it for a game you play, not just stalk.

[NuclearSilo]

the chain puts on status 1 at a time. the pill will get rid of one, then another comes and the pill is still recharging. force cure? thats cute. 1 out of 100 ppl even have force.

next time u want to give advise, do it for a game you play, not just stalk.

cleric holy word kills that build

[Fly]

the chain puts on status 1 at a time. the pill will get rid of one, then another comes and the pill is still recharging. force cure? thats cute. 1 out of 100 ppl even have force.

next time u want to give advise, do it for a game you play, not just stalk.

cleric holy word kills that build

and the black plauge kills humans... ur point?

a spear nuker is eaten alive by every euro build out there. a s/s nuker can take the damage, has the shield skill to help him talk 2h's and can dish out damage + knockdown to keep himself alive.

i know thinking is hard when d2a is not telling you what to say. but can you atleast try?

[Interpol]

@czx
Answering your question isn't as simple as you think it is. Let's assume your character is a pure int. Just from nuking alone, spear will deal out more damage than an s/s setup (the extra 6 int on the shield won't matter). It becomes messy when you factor in weapon skills (and your character's str/int stats). Pure int spear isn't an easy character type to play with, thus most would opt to go slightly hybrid if they continue to play with spear (whilst s/s would tend to be pure int). I recommend you to check out the guides section.

Off topic: the existence of holy word in the hypothetical pvp situation denotes the presence of a cleric (who might not be alone). In a 1 on 1 situation, an s/s setup would have the slight advantage over a spear user against a cleric. It isn't useful to imagine any build (other than a cleric) having holy word pvping an int character with s/s or spear, to compare effectiveness, as those more often than not involve teams.

[Fly]

and my posts were all contributing to the topic. S/S IS the way to go for any kind of pvp in this cap. Next cap S/S becomes even more powerfull. Spear nukers are a thing of the past unless something is done to gimp euros. Thats the point I was making. You posts were all based on your experiance playing sro, an experiance that ended in the 80 cap almost a year ago. My posts are up to date. I have every right to point out the flaws in your posts and im doing the thread starter a favor. If he follows your advise, he would be a gimped pvper and would hate his character in the end which means either $200 of item mall reallocation potions, or a month of curst heart farming.

@Silo, Next time stay on topic... and please try to think before you type.

[Barotix]

no, 6 int cant make difference

when using nuke
dmg a spear nuke on a s/s = dmg a s/s nuke on a spear
but using weapon skill spear > sword

u know less about sro then u do about the confed.

a sword nuker will outdamage and outlive a spear nuker easily now that sword has 2 bleed skills and division. at 100 cap sword will also have fear which is almost like stun only does not stop movement.

spear nukers have been gimped by joymax and they are now a thing of the past when it comes to pvp. they cant servive vs a euro and chinese destroy them also.

Adding to that S/S gets stun as well as dull. Spear should go Hyb IMO.

God Damn it.
/cleaning.

[NuclearSilo]

Oh, poor Barotix

No flame, no smoke.
If you want to blame, blame the one who always personally indirectly attacks and provokes people and mentions about the off-topic D2A in every reply of my post.

And Argonaut, what did you say? Barotix deleted the posts so I forgot. Who is an asshole, again?

[Argonaut]

Oh, poor Barotix

No flame, no smoke.
If you want to blame, blame the one who always personally indirectly attacks and provokes people and mentions about the off-topic D2A in every reply of my post.

And Argonaut, what did you say? Barotix deleted the posts so I forgot. Who is an asshole, again?

I said that a sword nuker, compared to the spear nuker, is more balanced overall.

[Malice_Fighter]

a sword nuker will outdamage and outlive a spear nuker easily now that sword has 2 bleed skills and division. at 100 cap sword will also have fear which is almost like stun only does not stop movement.

spear nukers have been gimped by joymax and they are now a thing of the past when it comes to pvp. they cant servive vs a euro and chinese destroy them also.

If I have pill, what would be the result then?
The noob never knows the existence of the pills
Not mention he could have force cure too

the chain puts on status 1 at a time. the pill will get rid of one, then another comes .

if you spam your pills,you will get rid of it all

[Messiah]

I was 90Light 90Cold 90Bicheon 30Fire (immune to fire / light / cold) and i did amazing at pvp. Of course, wizards could mostly 1hit me and other times they couldnt but on Hera none of the wizards knew how to pvp.. just go invisible and nuke.. But i love sword / shield because i could tank a 2h/cleric for long enough to kill them.

But to the topic, sword shield is amazing and balanced aswell.

[agentcool5]

well iam a pure int spear and dont have any problem in pvp i use pill for division only bleed u can use snake storm
knock down u can switch to shield and already have more hp 2800 hp not only 1k
but to know not all ppl are good and not all are bad
sometimes u win and some u lose
it all depend on your gear and skills and how u pvp bc snake storm can save u from s/s nuker and easly win if you have the tatics to win
and i could tank a 2h for the 45 sec of the mana skin with the shield and have more hp
and there is the hyb build of the spear 1;2 69;70 i guess and it ownz 2h

[Jazba]

the chain puts on status 1 at a time. the pill will get rid of one, then another comes and the pill is still recharging. force cure? thats cute. 1 out of 100 ppl even have force.

next time u want to give advise, do it for a game you play, not just stalk.

Chain can put 3 status @ 1 time, it can even put 2 and it can also put 1.
its all random, its not only 1 status per chain ^_^

[Jazba]

back on topic
S/S >>>> any kind of Spear @ 90cap

[Messiah]

the chain puts on status 1 at a time. the pill will get rid of one, then another comes and the pill is still recharging. force cure? thats cute. 1 out of 100 ppl even have force.

next time u want to give advise, do it for a game you play, not just stalk.

Chain can put 3 status @ 1 time, it can even put 2 and it can also put 1.
its all random, its not only 1 status per chain ^_^

You will have to excuse him.. He only plays Euro characters on Venus and they just gangbang anyone outside the "Confederation" so there isn't really 1v1 Chinese v Euro on Venus.

OT - If you go spear i would suggest adding a little STR for a bit more survivability against Pure STR Builds. In my opinion, pure int s/s is the way to go.. Its one of the better builds @ this cap. [If you want to see a hybrid Spear, PM me and we can set up a time for you to watch mine pvp on Hera.]