Pure STR Glavie or Bow at 90?

subzero · Post by **subzero** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:58 am

ok guyz, i was just wondering wut ur thoughts on each of these was..which do you think will do better FF at lvl 90 glavie or bow?

glavie has higher DPS, more HP,dull, stun and knock-back and nuker defense(bloody snake storm)..plus the get new ghost spear STORM skill...

but bow has...attack rating inc., crit increase, and MASSIVE RANGE, knock-back and stun...and WAY WAY HARDER CRITS

so, what are your thoughts here? which will be better for jobwars/pvp/guildwars full farmed at 90? assuming each have mostly equal gear and weapon.

Braka · Post by **Braka** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:20 am

well it all deppends if the bow actully wants to win, a bow can easily stay alive with knockback alone but doing that makes him have much less chance to win, when a bower uses both antidevil books instead of knockback within his skills he has much greater chance to kill the glavier but doing this gives the glavier also much better chance to kill the bower since its a blow for blow fight, who knows will have to wait and see really.... ohyea gear gear gear

jabbers · Post by **jabbers** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:52 am

against another STR it's best to wait until you stun/crit them or get a far distance before, you continue with a 2nd strong attack, like you say , you can easily stay alive with KB. bow is about waiting till the right moment to strike hard

Post by **Rainigul** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:00 am

Bow.

Explosion arrow, strongbow, anti devil, anti devil, arrow combo.

That's an excellent plan for attack for a bow

Glaive.

Soul spear, ghost spear, soul spear, soul spear, ghost spear, soul spear....

Glaive doesn't have a wise attack plan, it's basicly medium attacks with medium/long cast time.

However, bow can do powerful long cast time, powerful short cast time, medium with crit short cast time, medium with crit short cast time, weak with fast cast time.

I'd say bow, but I guess we'll really just have to wait and see.

Azilius · Post by **Azilius** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:34 am

Rainigul wrote:Bow.

Explosion arrow, strongbow, anti devil, anti devil, arrow combo.

That's an excellent plan for attack for a bow

Glaive.

Soul spear, ghost spear, soul spear, soul spear, ghost spear, soul spear....

Glaive doesn't have a wise attack plan, it's basicly medium attacks with medium/long cast time.

However, bow can do powerful long cast time, powerful short cast time, medium with crit short cast time, medium with crit short cast time, weak with fast cast time.

I'd say bow, but I guess we'll really just have to wait and see.

Uhhh no.

Soul spear + Windless spear chained together can NOT be potted out of forever (with the average +4-5 set). If the glaiver isn't stunned, knocked backed, ect it will win. The second you hit a crit on the higher end of soul spear or windless you should hit ghost spear. Glaive does have strategy..it just takes more than a button masher to realize it.

ddoouugg · Post by **ddoouugg** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:40 am

Azilius wrote:
Rainigul wrote:Bow.

Explosion arrow, strongbow, anti devil, anti devil, arrow combo.

That's an excellent plan for attack for a bow

Glaive.

Soul spear, ghost spear, soul spear, soul spear, ghost spear, soul spear....

Glaive doesn't have a wise attack plan, it's basicly medium attacks with medium/long cast time.

However, bow can do powerful long cast time, powerful short cast time, medium with crit short cast time, medium with crit short cast time, weak with fast cast time.

I'd say bow, but I guess we'll really just have to wait and see.

Uhhh no.

Soul spear + Windless spear chained together can NOT be potted out of forever (with the average +4-5 set). If the glaiver isn't stunned, knocked backed, ect it will win. The second you hit a crit on the higher end of soul spear or windless you should hit ghost spear. Glaive does have strategy..it just takes more than a button masher to realize it.

+1

And now windless spear has some extra status on it, i cant remember which one, but it makes it worth getting.

Jazba · Post by **Jazba** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:58 am

Azilius wrote:Soul spear + Windless spear chained together can NOT be potted out of forever (with the average +4-5 set). If the glaiver isn't stunned, knocked backed, ect it will win. The second you hit a crit on the higher end of soul spear or windless you should hit ghost spear. Glaive does have strategy..it just takes more than a button masher to realize it.

LoL all glaviers mashes 3moves + 1 imbue
he tries to get dull+stun on u ,and when u r stun he will try to finish u off with mars or new move [Storm Cloud] n hope this move for a crit.

on the other hand bowman uses alot more moves + phantom to win @ PvP

ddoouugg · Post by **ddoouugg** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:09 am

if you look at the big picture, bow or glavie, its still all button mashing...

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Norain_ · Post by **Norain_** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:40 am

Rainigul wrote:Bow.

Glaive.

Soul spear, ghost spear, soul spear, soul spear, ghost spear, soul spear....

Glaive doesn't have a wise attack plan, it's basicly medium attacks with medium/long cast time.

.

hmm have u ever played with a glaiver?
ghost spear is ONLY good when u want to hit the last strike untill then: soul spear emperor, soul spear soul/windless spear then when hit like that couple of time and had crit you use ghost spear.
So glaiver do have a plan.

long1 · Post by **long1** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:35 am

Jazba wrote:
Azilius wrote:Soul spear + Windless spear chained together can NOT be potted out of forever (with the average +4-5 set). If the glaiver isn't stunned, knocked backed, ect it will win. The second you hit a crit on the higher end of soul spear or windless you should hit ghost spear. Glaive does have strategy..it just takes more than a button masher to realize it.

LoL all glaviers mashes 3moves + 1 imbue
he tries to get dull+stun on u ,and when u r stun he will try to finish u off with mars or new move [Storm Cloud] n hope this move for a crit.

on the other hand bowman uses alot more moves + phantom to win @ PvP

I guess you never play a glavier before have you? Because you sound like an IDIOT..yes an idiot. HOW MANY BEST SKILL DOES A BOWMAN HAVE OR ANY OTHER BUILD HAVE? let me count for u, (ghost spear 1 /soul spear emperior 2/soul spear soul 3 / windless 4 / and flying dragon 5....that's right 5....let me say it again cuz u may not remember....5555. NOW TELL ME HOW MANY BEST SKILL DOES A BOWMAN or (other build) HAVE THAT U CONSIDER IT TO HAVE ALOT MORE MOVES?? come back tome with this ok..i want to hear it from you...

just like every other build u use your best skill to pvp and pve right? i'm sick of people calling glavier a noob build or whatever. And anyone in here who are experiences in pvp know glavier and bowman are 50/50..yet at 80 cap..glavier does have a little bit of advantage over bowman cuz glavier have a little more hp. At 90 cap, nobody know yet.

XMoshe · Post by **XMoshe** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:01 am

long1 wrote:
Jazba wrote:
Azilius wrote:Soul spear + Windless spear chained together can NOT be potted out of forever (with the average +4-5 set). If the glaiver isn't stunned, knocked backed, ect it will win. The second you hit a crit on the higher end of soul spear or windless you should hit ghost spear. Glaive does have strategy..it just takes more than a button masher to realize it.

LoL all glaviers mashes 3moves + 1 imbue
he tries to get dull+stun on u ,and when u r stun he will try to finish u off with mars or new move [Storm Cloud] n hope this move for a crit.

on the other hand bowman uses alot more moves + phantom to win @ PvP

I guess you never play a glavier before have you? Because you sound like an IDIOT..yes an idiot. HOW MANY BEST SKILL DOES A BOWMAN HAVE OR ANY OTHER BUILD HAVE? let me count for u, (ghost spear 1 /soul spear emperior 2/soul spear soul 3 / windless 4 / and flying dragon 5....that's right 5....let me say it again cuz u may not remember....5555. NOW TELL ME HOW MANY BEST SKILL DOES A BOWMAN or (other build) HAVE THAT U CONSIDER IT TO HAVE ALOT MORE MOVES?? come back tome with this ok..i want to hear it from you...

just like every other build u use your best skill to pvp and pve right? i'm sick of people calling glavier a noob build or whatever. And anyone in here who are experiences in pvp know glavier and bowman are 50/50..yet at 80 cap..glavier does have a little bit of advantage over bowman cuz glavier have a little more hp. At 90 cap, nobody know yet.

S/S nuker has..2 lit nukes, 3 fire nukes, 2 kd's, 2 stabs, bleed giving status skill (first one), combo, soul blade skill, ranged attack skill, shouts...Hmm I already count 14, 16 if you count 3 shouts...

tedtwilliger · Post by **tedtwilliger** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:34 am

What nuker uses the second light nuke when they have the last fire nuke as well?

Honestly i'd go bow just because its more handy in a teamwork situation. The ability to kb on demand if needed while still being able to deal out great damage from a far range.. sounds good to me.

JustaDude · Post by **JustaDude** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:36 am

@long1

It is a well known fact that glaviers are the most easy build in game, by this i mean you dont have many difficult to go with it, since your weapon mastery and fire mastery is a must, they got good HP, and fast kill, so it is not hard to lvl them at all.

EDIT: IMO glaviers are better, i have one. and i can deal loads of dmg, i can make ranged attacks, i can kill a lot of people. what else do you want?

ChronicLies · Post by **ChronicLies** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:40 am

Im so tired of these pointless post and the people that make this post aren't even in the high lvls so whats the point of making it. Just pick a build you like stick with it and stfu no build is better than another unless your str nuker then your a Farking idiot xD

JustaDude · Post by **JustaDude** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:42 am

ChronicLies wrote:Im so tired of these pointless post and the people that make this post aren't even in the high lvls so whats the point of making it. Just pick a build you like stick with it and stfu no build is better than another unless your str nuker then your a Farking idiot xD

+1

I agree most of the people that makes this kinda post dont even have one of the discussed builds or are high lvl.

Homie · Post by **Homie** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:12 pm

Glaive bro.
@Rainigul, WAH!

You dare disrespect the awesomeness that is the Glaiver?!

Glaivers have high DPS and are quick to wear down the opp, while bow is charging up his moves the glaive may have gotten 3 or 4 hits on him. Windless + Soul + Soul + Windless, just wear him/her down while trying to get dull and when you get that stun + crit use GS. Glaive is hawt, like fire. Bows are boring, zzzzz.

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long1 · Post by **long1** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:00 pm

S/S nuker has..2 lit nukes, 3 fire nukes, 2 kd's, 2 stabs, bleed giving status skill (first one), combo, soul blade skill, ranged attack skill, shouts...Hmm I already count 14, 16 if you count 3 shouts...[/quote]

don't want to say this but....WHAT A RETARD^^

Jazba · Post by **Jazba** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:33 pm

long1 wrote:I guess you never play a glavier before have you? Because you sound like an IDIOT..yes an idiot.

long1 wrote:don't want to say this but....WHAT A RETARD^^

long1 this is not ur school, where when u get offended u start acting like a bully n start calling other peeps names.

when Bladers pvp, they dont start with KD+stab these days, first they go for lightning chain + Crosswire smash and when they get all 3 status on them than go for 2KD's+ 2STABs, in between they even have to use ironwall shield again.

Bowmen on the other hand is a unique build, u juz cant stand there n get hit like glavier or blader. u need ur distance which u get by combo + phantam n than hope for a stun from strongbow n crit from antidevil.

Glaviers also uses chains in PVE but never in PVP, glaviers uses flying dragon in PVE but never in PVP

rus582 · Post by **rus582** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:49 pm

Bow or Blade at 90.
Nice new skills exactly new anti-devil(40 crit added)

Barotix · Post by **Barotix** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:53 pm

Jazba wrote:
long1 wrote:I guess you never play a glavier before have you? Because you sound like an IDIOT..yes an idiot.

long1 wrote:don't want to say this but....WHAT A RETARD^^

long1 this is not ur school, where when u get offended u start acting like a bully n start calling other peeps names.

when Bladers pvp, they dont start with KD+stab these days, first they go for lightning chain + Crosswire smash and when they get all 3 status on them than go for 2KD's+ 2STABs, in between they even have to use ironwall shield again.

Bowmen on the other hand is a unique build, u juz cant stand there n get hit like glavier or blader. u need ur distance which u get by combo + phantam n than hope for a stun from strongbow n crit from antidevil.

Glaviers also uses chains in PVE but never in PVP, glaviers uses flying dragon in PVE but never in PVP

When 100 cap comes glaivers will be using FD a lot more often because it becomes their strongest move.

Jazba · Post by **Jazba** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:55 pm

Barotix wrote:When 100 cap comes glaivers will be using FD a lot more often because it becomes their strongest move.

Sir 100 cap

and second nope FD will hit twice in new book, Ghostspear will still be strongest move on single crit

Barotix · Post by **Barotix** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:11 pm

Jazba wrote:
Barotix wrote:When 100 cap comes glaivers will be using FD a lot more often because it becomes their strongest move.

Sir 100 cap
and second nope FD will hit twice in new book, Ghostspear will still be strongest move on single crit

Windless ~> FD ~> SOUL ~> SOUL ~> WINDLESS ~> SOUL ~> FD ~> GS.
Ghost Spear will remain the finishing move, you're right about that but what I should have said is: They will employ FD in battle more often because it will be on par with Windless and Soul. ^^

Jazba · Post by **Jazba** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:21 pm

If flying dragon becomes a status skill, than its another story

Ice_Warrior · Post by **Ice_Warrior** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:18 pm

they are both equally good, they both require sum EXTREME luck to kill each other, bow has the amazing crit rate and lucky stun/KB, glaive has the big dmg with sum crit and also high stun and bit mre hp. I prefer both TBH because i just think their cooler

, glaive too common for me. KB from the bow can easily save a bowers life but glaive doesnt.

XMoshe · Post by **XMoshe** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:50 pm

long1 wrote:
S/S nuker has..2 lit nukes, 3 fire nukes, 2 kd's, 2 stabs, bleed giving status skill (first one), combo, soul blade skill, ranged attack skill, shouts...Hmm I already count 14, 16 if you count 3 shouts...

don't want to say this but....WHAT A RETARD^^

Are you calling me a retard?

Azilius · Post by **Azilius** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:34 pm

[SW]XMoshe wrote:
S/S nuker has..2 lit nukes, 3 fire nukes, 2 kd's, 2 stabs, bleed giving status skill (first one), combo, soul blade skill, ranged attack skill, shouts...Hmm I already count 14, 16 if you count 3 shouts...

We're talking about USEFUL skills in PvP. If you're using all those then GL killing anyone..

@Barotix FD indeed becomes amazing in PvP, but if there isn't a new soul spear by then (totally forget ><) I don't think many people will be using the old one due to only lvl 8 stun, windless in place seems more applicable.

@topic

The arguement could go on forever, but basically

There is no better class, each has its own advantage and by the time everyone realizes that Sro will have moved from single person PvP to the finer points of the game, like Group V Group. In all honesty if you know how to play bow you shouldn't die against a glaiver unless they get some REALLY lucky stuns/crits, but in turn the time it takes to stay alive deters from the damage given, thus creating a stalemate.

XMoshe · Post by **XMoshe** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:40 pm

Azilius wrote:
[SW]XMoshe wrote:
S/S nuker has..2 lit nukes, 3 fire nukes, 2 kd's, 2 stabs, bleed giving status skill (first one), combo, soul blade skill, ranged attack skill, shouts...Hmm I already count 14, 16 if you count 3 shouts...

We're talking about USEFUL skills in PvP. If you're using all those then GL killing anyone..

Nukes are usefull, kd's are usefull, stabs are usefull, that first skill is usefull, combo is usefull, soul blade a bit less..but it has decent dmg, ranged attack skill is usefull in pvp and shouts too...so??

Azilius · Post by **Azilius** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:04 pm

[SW]XMoshe wrote:
Azilius wrote:
[SW]XMoshe wrote:
S/S nuker has..2 lit nukes, 3 fire nukes, 2 kd's, 2 stabs, bleed giving status skill (first one), combo, soul blade skill, ranged attack skill, shouts...Hmm I already count 14, 16 if you count 3 shouts...

We're talking about USEFUL skills in PvP. If you're using all those then GL killing anyone..

Nukes are usefull, kd's are usefull, stabs are usefull, that first skill is usefull, combo is usefull, soul blade a bit less..but it has decent dmg, ranged attack skill is usefull in pvp and shouts too...so??

Hint hint, I bolded it for you.

RogueKiller · Post by **RogueKiller** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:23 pm

Jazba wrote:
Azilius wrote:Soul spear + Windless spear chained together can NOT be potted out of forever (with the average +4-5 set). If the glaiver isn't stunned, knocked backed, ect it will win. The second you hit a crit on the higher end of soul spear or windless you should hit ghost spear. Glaive does have strategy..it just takes more than a button masher to realize it.

LoL all glaviers mashes 3moves + 1 imbue
he tries to get dull+stun on u ,and when u r stun he will try to finish u off with mars or new move [Storm Cloud] n hope this move for a crit.

on the other hand bowman uses alot more moves + phantom to win @ PvP

Definitely. /sarcasm
I dunno what server your on but if thats what the Glaivers on your server do, then they are awful.
Glaiver requires being aware of your previously used move. If you crit with a certain move you lead up with Mars. Only then should you lead up with mars. Until then you stick the basic 2 Hit combos (SSE,Windless,SSS).
Spamming Ghost Spear will never work on killing anyone. You have to know when your opponent is within 5k of death by the dmg you deal out. You don't just mash buttons. You have to keep a basic estimate of the dmg you dealt out, along with considering pot and such. After a while of doing this, it just sticks to your head. When you kill someone from doing this you can figure out a good approximation of the hp they have. I love all the people saying pvp is just mashing buttons.

long1 · Post by **long1** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:40 pm

Jazba wrote:
long1 wrote:I guess you never play a glavier before have you? Because you sound like an IDIOT..yes an idiot.

long1 wrote:don't want to say this but....WHAT A RETARD^^

long1 this is not ur school, where when u get offended u start acting like a bully n start calling other peeps names.

when Bladers pvp, they dont start with KD+stab these days, first they go for lightning chain + Crosswire smash and when they get all 3 status on them than go for 2KD's+ 2STABs, in between they even have to use ironwall shield again.

Bowmen on the other hand is a unique build, u juz cant stand there n get hit like glavier or blader. u need ur distance which u get by combo + phantam n than hope for a stun from strongbow n crit from antidevil.

Glaviers also uses chains in PVE but never in PVP, glaviers uses flying dragon in PVE but never in PVP

i don't call people name, i just state the fact. and btw this is not 70 cap..bowmen with kb doesn't need to phantam anymore..that's what kb is for in 80 and 90 cap. Nowaday, i would like to see bowmen phantam so i could gain over half my hp back and it doesn't do bowmen any good anyway. trust me.

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