Ultimate 8/8 War PT

[phulshof]

1 cleric and 3 (sub) clerics sounds more than enough to me to pull off the continual bless. I'd prefer to have some warriors, wizards and bards in that party. I was thinking:
2 warriors, 1 cleric, 2 wizards, 3 bards or 2 warriors, 2 clerics, 2 wizards, 2 bards
with a total of at least 4 (sub) clerics

[friggeh]

8 warriors with cleric sub can take that pt down faster then you can say "10k plys"

2 warriors absolute 1 cleric at a time. 4 clerics down instantly. repeat with the 2nd absolute skill and 4 more dead clerics. the clerics cant do shit back since there absolutes wont hit back as hard vs a str. offering? warriors will bless. hit back with nukes? rofl.

U mean STR clerics?
Yea.. that would do too... GG

actualy, it IS GG, what part about ABSOLUTE dmg do you not understand? no matter if your build is str or int or even hybrid, it will do the same damage, so before you go post, plz pull your head out of your ass and make that one gray cell go into overdrive

the way i see it: could work easily with 8 warriors with cleric sub. Hell, no matter what str build with absolute dmg skill will put them down. the only reason why it would require str's is that they can survive the absolute dmg from the cleric party

[Cerus]

actualy, it IS GG, what part about ABSOLUTE dmg do you not understand?

Ask urself back, which part do u not understand abt my post? Come in here flaming like you're the genius.

U mean STR clerics?
Yea.. that would do too... GG

What i wrote wasn't sarcasm.
It was a reply to one of the posts.
STR Clerics Absolute Damage WORKS.

Fly was rolfing on my saying that 8 x Clerics is ultimate, saying that Str wit Clerics sub is better.
I am jsut pointing it out that, I already pointed that out earlier.

[EngravedDemon]

8 Ppl with Same Lvl Blesses Can't really do much... And 1 at a time isn't really enough...

I'd take 2 bards, 3 wiz, 1 cleric, 1 rogue and 1 Warrior over 8 Clerics... LoL!

[Mango]

Disease gets through Holy Spell, its purpose is to let the other effects break through.

NO. NO IT DOESN'T. It doesn't matter if they have goddamn Ebola, your statuses still aren't going through.
Anyway I just thought I'd point out that all these theoretical fights are interesting but in game no one is ever organised enough to make them work. I could say that if it was a full party of warlock/clerics then they could keep the enemy party stunned long enough to each cast 4 curses and 4 aoe curses, giving each enemy party member about 6 or 7 dots (roughly 250% damage every time they go off), then switch back to cleric and keep a constant double bless and nuke/absolute occasionally but its irrelevant because there is no way that a party could ever be that co-ordinated. I could say that at the 100 cap you should put 400 chinese bowmen on the fortress walls and spam arrow combos like they're going out of fashion but that's never going to happen. There are dozens of situations like these but the fact is a party with a 2 Warriors, a Cleric, a Bard, another Bard/a Warlock and 3 Wizards, all with Cleric subs, is going to be very good in all situations rather than amazing in one contrived situation, so that's what we use.

[Barotix]

Disease gets through Holy Spell, its purpose is to let the other effects break through.

NO. NO IT DOESN'T. It doesn't matter if they have goddamn Ebola, your statuses still aren't going through.

This makes a Dual Axe Warrior even more appealing.

[Mango]

Not to be argumentative or anything but the axe passive is a joke, disease is always a level higher so it's not really affected and once they're diseased you don't really notice their resistance.

[SURGERY]

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[cfc]

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The other thread in general section has a bit more info. But they specifically created an ultimate PvE pt. They wouldn't stand much chance against 8 Rogues/Clerics or a mix of war/clerics and rogue/clerics.

Edit: some friends went to Pluto to try that pve pt out for 2 days. They concluded that it's possible. They've now gone back to their old hi lvl chars to get to lvl 90.

[Nodame]

Bless isn't that great.. yeah it helps, but it's not like your invincible.. at all
have you never been to fw?

Have u been blessed b4? I mean... up to date bless skill?
Its like having a full Sun set on you... and better.
I can say you're close to invisible wit it on.

I dunno... u might have a lot of defence... but i can still surely SEE you >_>

[Norain_]

my Opinion for best party:
2 Cleric that buff all and heal.
2 warrior that tank and buff.
4 Wizards that have the Cleric buffs and warrior buffs.

Or

2 Cleric. (same reason)
2 Warrior (also same reason)
2 Wizard with warrior buffs and Cleric buffs.
2 Bards that do absorbtion buffs and dmg buffs. and give Mana Orbit and Speed.

[TheDrop]

seriously even with double bless a person 3 levels higher than you with updated skill/weapon and 1 hit you..

ROFLMFAO. 3 lvls higher can 1 hit u . i really doubt u have been blessed before. when i use blesss, the warrior get hit like 10~20 fighting on mobs 5~6 lvls higher (i have lvl 2 bless only too ). when im not using bless, the warriors get hit like 100~150. even a wiz cant get 1 hit by a mob 10 lvls higher when using bless. i could beat lvl 36 warriors at 30, when using bless (without healing/using hp potions). bless is really the ultimate tankage skill lol.

On track: well, i really doubt that this party will be good at pvp... like wat barotix said. sure, it will be the ultimate tankage party (well, 8x 1h/clerics can do better), but killing will be really hard.

my Opinion for best party:
2 Cleric that buff all and heal.
2 warrior that tank and buff.
4 Wizards that have the Cleric buffs and warrior buffs.

Or

2 Cleric. (same reason)
2 Warrior (also same reason)
2 Wizard with warrior buffs and Cleric buffs.
2 Bards that do absorbtion buffs and dmg buffs. and give Mana Orbit and Speed.

umm why 2 cleric . being the only cleric in my party, its pretty boring cause i can just use healing cycle on the tanks and sit down -.-. 2 clerics will be ultimate borage. just having everyone with cleric sub, and one full time cleric is better (bless everytime).

this is my view of the ultimate party :
2 1h/cleric
1 bard/cleric
1 cleric
1 warlock/cleric
3 wizard/cleric

. ultimate pve+pvp party. one warrior can lure while the other stays and watches out for the party

[sirs1ayer]

i was talking pvp. not pve. Never seen a wizard zerk on you while you're blessed? or a rogue prick you? it still goddam hurts. maybe not 1 hit.. but 2 hit. lol?
obviously bless is great in pve(while it lasts)

[IceCrash]

i was talking pvp. not pve. Never seen a wizard zerk on you while you're blessed? or a rogue prick you? it still goddam hurts. maybe not 1 hit.. but 2 hit. lol?
obviously bless is great in pve(while it lasts)

its normal he thinks like tht mate, his highest is 33

[NuclearSilo]

Have u ever heard a bowman can unlimitly KB anything at lvl 100?

- Warrior sub cleric: even if your cleric offering hits 24k dmg a Str chinese normally, with bless and pain quota, your nuke is like a simple chinese nuke.
- Cleric, the main healer
- Bowman can keep 1 of your cleric useless 4ever. When your offering and bless is canceled, u need to wait the cooldown.
- 2 Wizards sub cleric/chineses nuker with snow shield = dmg dealer
- Rogue sub warlock can stun and kill the enemy.
- 2 Bards to give 40% phy/mag reduce buff => your cleric offering is become even more useless.

[/Pi]

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I call that bull. That would imply that you can go from 1 to 80 in a week if you have Premium Plus + Gold SP Ticket. Add in the Item Mall potions, repair hammers, return scrolls, reverse return scrolls, pets, etc.

If it is really possible, then it might only take 16-24 dedicated people to conquer a new server.

[MrFudge]

Have u ever heard a bowman can unlimitly KB anything at lvl 100?

- Warrior sub cleric: even if your cleric offering hits 24k dmg a Str chinese normally, with bless and pain quota, your nuke is like a simple chinese nuke.
- Cleric, the main healer
- Bowman can keep 1 of your cleric useless 4ever. When your offering and bless is canceled, u need to wait the cooldown.
- 2 Wizards sub cleric/chineses nuker with snow shield = dmg dealer
- Rogue sub warlock can stun and kill the enemy.
- 2 Bards to give 40% phy/mag reduce buff => your cleric offering is become even more useless.

- w00t
- dead from absolute dmg
- can only arrow combo one person, other warriors kill him in 2 seconds
- dead from abs dmg
- lol
- would die first as the first target with abs dmg

thers gotta be something that can take down 8 2hand/clerics
i guess u can have 8 bowmen trying to stop the inevitable..=/

[sirs1ayer]

i wonder what server that was.

[TheDrop]

i was talking pvp. not pve. Never seen a wizard zerk on you while you're blessed? or a rogue prick you? it still goddam hurts. maybe not 1 hit.. but 2 hit. lol?
obviously bless is great in pve(while it lasts)

well srry nvr thought about zerk. but really, a thought a guy who is 3 lvls higher than u 1 hit u while using bless was stpid (without zerk)

icecrash: why does it matter about lvl? does it mean i am dont have enough knowledge?

[sirs1ayer]

i was talking pvp. not pve. Never seen a wizard zerk on you while you're blessed? or a rogue prick you? it still goddam hurts. maybe not 1 hit.. but 2 hit. lol?
obviously bless is great in pve(while it lasts)

well srry nvr thought about zerk. but really, a thought a guy who is 3 lvls higher than u 1 hit u while using bless was stpid (without zerk)

icecrash: why does it matter about lvl? does it mean i am dont have enough knowledge?

Crit or zerk.. or a zerk crit(rogue skills(prick/longshot/maddening)
you don't have experience of higher level skills or you don't have much experience pvping.
me+icecrash probably played as much as you ever had in 1 week on the opening of hera.

anyways in mass pvp like fw.. all it takes is 2 nukers using aoe nukes.. and yeah they may only hit half damage but.. 2 of them casting constant aoe's = rape. we'll ignore the fact that there are usually 10-30 nukers/wizards using aoe in fw on the opposing team =]

[Barotix]

Have u ever heard a bowman can unlimitly KB anything at lvl 100?

- Warrior sub cleric: even if your cleric offering hits 24k dmg a Str chinese normally, with bless and pain quota, your nuke is like a simple chinese nuke.
- Cleric, the main healer
- Bowman can keep 1 of your cleric useless 4ever. When your offering and bless is canceled, u need to wait the cooldown.
- 2 Wizards sub cleric/chineses nuker with snow shield = dmg dealer
- Rogue sub warlock can stun and kill the enemy.
- 2 Bards to give 40% phy/mag reduce buff => your cleric offering is become even more useless.

- w00t
- dead from absolute dmg
- can only arrow combo one person, other warriors kill him in 2 seconds
- dead from abs dmg
- lol
- would die first as the first target with abs dmg

thers gotta be something that can take down 8 2hand/clerics
i guess u can have 8 bowmen trying to stop the inevitable..=/

Just stall them until they get bored. With this:
2 warrior/cleric
2 wizard/cleric
1 cleric/warlock
2 bards/cleric
1 warlock/wizard

You won't be able to move, it becomes a wait and see game. We can try to fight, but we would have to take your warriors down one at a time. 3 Wizards can stall, while two warriors take down one at a time until your party is dead. The constant KB is nice, and I doubt one warrior without protection (can't move) can survive simultaneous Dare Devil.

[IceCrash]

i was talking pvp. not pve. Never seen a wizard zerk on you while you're blessed? or a rogue prick you? it still goddam hurts. maybe not 1 hit.. but 2 hit. lol?
obviously bless is great in pve(while it lasts)

well srry nvr thought about zerk. but really, a thought a guy who is 3 lvls higher than u 1 hit u while using bless was stpid (without zerk)

icecrash: why does it matter about lvl? does it mean i am dont have enough knowledge?

nah mate
i wasnt judging you just towards your level.
it's just, you see, at level 30 you dont have all the skills and stuff.
it's very different from for example, at 6x+, thats why i said wht i said

[Davids]

8 Xbows in defensive situation. Just make your best 8 man come out of DH gate and they will be knocked down and knocked back right into the safe zone again

[Nodame]

[Disconnected from Server] screen for the whole 'ultimate' party. you all lose.

[LuxonEmpress]

[Disconnected from Server] screen for the whole 'ultimate' party. you all lose.

+1 lolz

[hadioz2004]

try 8 pt full warlocks/wizard subs against clerics pt

[Aviator]

8 warriors with cleric sub can take that pt down faster then you can say "10k plys"

2 warriors absolute 1 cleric at a time. 4 clerics down instantly. repeat with the 2nd absolute skill and 4 more dead clerics. the clerics cant do shit back since there absolutes wont hit back as hard vs a str. offering? warriors will bless. hit back with nukes? rofl.

warriors running around with cleric absolutes are the new and official Str Nukers. Unlike the ones before them, they dont suck one bit.

First, they all share their health so all or none would die
Second, to do this, they have to come with all the party at once. to do this that means they will be in the 10m range of offering, which would kill all the party with 4 spells.
third, offering skill hits a warrior 5.5k who has screen. also it's aoe attack, meaning that it will hit like 2-3 warriors. if they have screen, they'll survive but if anyone forgots putting screen, they eventually become 1 hitted.
thinking that the party has 8 clerics, they'll but recovery division before they attack and so, their healt won't decrease much even after the offering. again thinking that the party has 8 clerics, that'll mean at least one of them would have a chance to hit the warrior at least causing 5k damage

Fourth, the warriors don't have much mana which is required for cleric spells

FIFTH, the clerics all have SUBCLASSES!

[the_wicked]

lv90 warriors can give you 3 screens. GG moral phys and ultimate are all usable. GG

[Norain_]

umm why 2 cleric . being the only cleric in my party, its pretty boring cause i can just use healing cycle on the tanks and sit down -.-. 2 clerics will be ultimate borage. just having everyone with cleric sub, and one full time cleric is better (bless everytime).

ehm becouse they can buff ALL and can attack. good clerics do healing orbit, buff and attack.

[TheDrop]

i was talking pvp. not pve. Never seen a wizard zerk on you while you're blessed? or a rogue prick you? it still goddam hurts. maybe not 1 hit.. but 2 hit. lol?
obviously bless is great in pve(while it lasts)

well srry nvr thought about zerk. but really, a thought a guy who is 3 lvls higher than u 1 hit u while using bless was stpid (without zerk)

icecrash: why does it matter about lvl? does it mean i am dont have enough knowledge?

nah mate
i wasnt judging you just towards your level.
it's just, you see, at level 30 you dont have all the skills and stuff.
it's very different from for example, at 6x+, thats why i said wht i said

well srry i miss interpreted u. but maybe say more than just that next time . and yeah i got wat u meant. but at higher lvls, cleric has higher bless+higher defense buff

@Norain_: well i dont really see the need to buff every single person with both int and str buff =/. unless there are chinese in the party, which is very unlikey. int buff is useless for warrior, and atr buff might help a wiz with hp, but with a cleric, thats not needed =/. also, having 2 clerics will lower the killing rate, cuz either u have 2 less wizards, or because the wiz are constantly running out of mp.