Which build will own at 90 cap (blader/glavie)

[jabbers]

thats pretty old video, and i always known pompom doesnt know wht the hell he's doing, so i will chalk it up to that.

[Ragnorak]

Why Glaiver?
Ok, a glaiver is the most underrated pure str character at the moment. People don't realize the power that a glaiver truly has. A glaiver currently has one of the hardest hitting. A glaiver is the hardest single hit pure str. Currently Ghost Spear Mars is just as good if not better than strong bow. The only thing that makes an archer great is their ability to crit. But that is not something to rely on for every skill. The very first book down the list in Pacheon is the only skill where an archer should depend on crit. However I've seen archers get dissappointed when they don't crit. Depending on something like a crit is just the most awful way to pvp. On the other hand, a glaiver doesn't need to rely on crits. They dish out serious dmg at a fast rate. With occasional crits that help. But thats not something that glaivers rely on to help them win. They can do it without crits.

On the other hand there are bladers. A blader can tank against pure str. But what happens when you pvp a wizard or cleric? It becomes an easy kill for a wizard if the blader doesn't get block and can't kd. Yes, sadly bladers rely on blocks. Moreover a blader has to get the effects to do serious dmg. Without the curses they do dmg, but not as much with having the curses. But a glaiver still beats the dmg output of a blader even with a blader using those curses. As I said earlier a blader has a harder time tanking a wizard than a glaiver. Yes, a glaiver can be nearly invincible for 15 seconds. However there is another class to worry about. That would be a rogue. A rogue with all the dmg buffs and crit can hit up to 17-19k on a blader. Thats only leaving 1k hp on the blader. While on a glaiver it would be 19-20k. Leaving 2k hp for the glaiver to survive.

Also all the talk about rogues... They are much more effective without the hp decreasing, dmg increasing buffs IMO. They are much easier to kill when they have 8k hp than when they have 20k hp. A rogue crits often enough and has an extremely high DPS that they don't need all that extra dmg increase. In those cases a simple stun, kb or kd can easily make them immobile.

Like I said a glaiver is way under rated because their haven't added anything special with the addition of 80 cap other than dull. But effects aren't everything. The dmg output without effects can be very overwhelming.

+1
no offense but bladers are weak...even with there debuff stats...they can't kill a skill glavier. bladers are tank meaning ur main purpose is to get pwnd.

[BaronSengir]

This is NOT_TO_BE
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=467495
and Phunkism Owned this guy, when he had +5 sun blade and +9 sun shield + he had all the cleric buffs.
now tell me where did he went wrong or Rogue+Warlock = ownage
plz any1

your lock is going to be pretty shtty with the new stones coming out

Dam what a noob, first of all these stones come at 100 cap, so after few years, secondly they can be droped only by rock. Think again pls

my god how old are you? 5? and LOL at roc dropping the stones believe it or not warlock = getting nerfed

http://www.konpaku.com.br/silkroad/tabl ... have=abyss

so roc is going to drop you tabs now eh? thats a good one "noob"

[Naoto]

To answer the question of the "topic". Wait for the 90 cap to actually come out and watch people in action. Pointless asking anyone here who has not played at the 90 cap (unless they have played cSRO or whatnot).

Second, people are fighting the old battle of "Blader Vs. Glaiver". There is no way to tell whom is stronger. There is different gear, masteries and the actual skill of the person to take into consideration.


Just make whatever character floats you boat. If you hate it, make the other character. Simple.

[long1]

i don't know about u guys! but i've been a full farm glavier for almost 1 years now. So far a blader can't even come close to killing me with my special pills. An archer may have high crt, but most of the time it's still a no problem. you gotta know how to used your characters and how to fight in diffences situation. Most glavier i see at dw south don't even know how to fight.

[RoseNoir]

This is NOT_TO_BE
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=467495
and Phunkism Owned this guy, when he had +5 sun blade and +9 sun shield + he had all the cleric buffs.
now tell me where did he went wrong or Rogue+Warlock = ownage
plz any1

-NOT TO BE knows to bot not to pvp. He has high lvl cold mastery and he doesnt try to freeze the rogue/warlock. A frozen rogue/warlock is a dead player.
-a glavier (with a glavie+5) had some fun with phunkism in pvp ; he freezed the rogue ; laughed a lot cuz rogue couldnt do a thing ; in the end, the glavier, borred killed the rogue in few hits.

on topic :it will not be pots update for cap=90 so bladers will survive better than glaviers.

[Jazba]

thats pretty old video, and i always known pompom doesnt know wht the hell he's doing, so i will chalk it up to that.

That video is less than 2 months old.
and yes everyone knows pompom, but NO ONE ever killed him like that be4.
make a video of "YOU" killing him, n than u can chalk up.
you know where he is 24/7 rite DW South. i m waiting for ur video owning pompom like that.

[Jazba]

my god how old are you? 5? and LOL at roc dropping the stones believe it or not warlock = getting nerfed

http://www.konpaku.com.br/silkroad/tabl ... have=abyss

so roc is going to drop you tabs now eh? thats a good one "noob"

BaronSengir get ur facts straight plz
here u go n read on (thx nightbloom)
http://silkroadaddiction.com/forum2/silkroad-general-discussion/1608-ksros-new-alchemy-stones.html

[Jazba]

This is NOT_TO_BE
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=467495
and Phunkism Owned this guy, when he had +5 sun blade and +9 sun shield + he had all the cleric buffs.
now tell me where did he went wrong or Rogue+Warlock = ownage
plz any1

-NOT TO BE knows to bot not to pvp. He has high lvl cold mastery and he doesnt try to freeze the rogue/warlock. A frozen rogue/warlock is a dead player.
-a glavier (with a glavie+5) had some fun with phunkism in pvp ; he freezed the rogue ; laughed a lot cuz rogue couldnt do a thing ; in the end, the glavier, borred killed the rogue in few hits.

on topic :it will not be pots update for cap=90 so bladers will survive better than glaviers.

LoL, i dont want start a war with u on 72+5 lvl 80 iced glavier killed phunkism while only using ice imbue. PLZZZZZZZZZZ

[zZh4ku]

This is NOT_TO_BE
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=467495
and Phunkism Owned this guy, when he had +5 sun blade and +9 sun shield + he had all the cleric buffs.
now tell me where did he went wrong or Rogue+Warlock = ownage
plz any1

-NOT TO BE knows to bot not to pvp. He has high lvl cold mastery and he doesnt try to freeze the rogue/warlock. A frozen rogue/warlock is a dead player.
-a glavier (with a glavie+5) had some fun with phunkism in pvp ; he freezed the rogue ; laughed a lot cuz rogue couldnt do a thing ; in the end, the glavier, borred killed the rogue in few hits.

on topic :it will not be pots update for cap=90 so bladers will survive better than glaviers.

LoL, i dont want start a war with u on 72+5 lvl 80 iced glavier killed phunkism while only using ice imbue. PLZZZZZZZZZZ

72+5 glaiver can easily kill a rogue.
get off phunkism's d1ck.

[F-22]

Those euro build with warlock as subclass I already pvp them. The only time I can kill them is spam expensive pills, right when they switch to their dagger, sword, etc, that's when you spam your pill and a blader will kill them right away. I already know how to counter their attack.

I'm only talkign about chinese character, euro can kill but also can be kill.

another way is to use ice....lol

i think bladers will be better offensively but i think hybrid int s/s will be better. HEHEHEHEHEHHHEHEHEHE

[brentonsbbe359]

blade is a lot of fun and can tank alot. but it lvls slow. glavie is very boring but its good dmg.

id do a Archer if i was u. or a nuker. xP if you really wanna stick with the char you have id say go blade. they both have their goods and bads tho

[the_wicked]

Wait for new skills.
Get the shieldpd and test it out. If you hit a LOT harder with it, go blade. If its a gimped little bit of damage forget it and go glaive

[BalkanFanaticS]

mine.

[RogueKiller]

On the other hand there are bladers. A blader can tank against pure str. But what happens when you pvp a wizard or cleric? It becomes an easy kill for a wizard if the blader doesn't get block and can't kd. Yes, sadly bladers rely on blocks. Moreover a blader has to get the effects to do serious dmg. Without the curses they do dmg, but not as much with having the curses. But a glaiver still beats the dmg output of a blader even with a blader using those curses. As I said earlier a blader has a harder time tanking a wizard than a glaiver. Yes, a glaiver can be nearly invincible for 15 seconds. However there is another class to worry about. That would be a rogue. A rogue with all the dmg buffs and crit can hit up to 17-19k on a blader. Thats only leaving 1k hp on the blader. While on a glaiver it would be 19-20k. Leaving 2k hp for the glaiver to survive.

i lol at u. bladers a easy kill for wiz? remember bladers have a shield. moreover, they can use fire buffs. and they also where garms. if bladers is an easy kill for wiz, then wats glaive? 1 touch ko? glavie have 15 sec buff, but wiz can still do dmg when a glaiver is using it. after 15 secs, its 1hit ko. bladers rely on blocks? u know there is more to it then just the br of a shield u know? and also, bladers can easily beat rogues. rogues wont usually be able to 1hit ko blades, while they can do the same thing to a glaivier.

Alright this is how I see things.
A Glaiver has 1138.7 Mag defense without Jewelry.
A Blader has 1322.1 Mag defense without jewelry and a shield +7
All stats are 100% and +5 gear.
Now as I said if you read the whole thing. A glaiver has 15 seconds of invincibility. With Bloody snake storm they have 2241 (90 cap with 80 gear) mag defense. Yes with that kind of defense they are 1 hit ko right? While a blader with 1322 defense isn't 1 hit ko. Yes bladers have block which is technically 0 dmg. But if a blader relies on block he will just get himself killed all the time. Bladers like that always suck. Its about strategy, not a miraculous block. I guess the same concept lies with a blader vs a rogue. But in the end it depends on the player behind the build.

Edit:
Too all the people saying that bladers will be better because the pot isn't going to rise...How does that affect a blader? The xl hp pot for both a blader and a glaiver is equal. They refill the same amount of hp per pot. In won't be any different than it is now between the two of them. The only difference is that the amount of hp refilled per potion will be slower or less. But they will both get the same amount of hp refilled.

[TheDrop]

On the other hand there are bladers. A blader can tank against pure str. But what happens when you pvp a wizard or cleric? It becomes an easy kill for a wizard if the blader doesn't get block and can't kd. Yes, sadly bladers rely on blocks. Moreover a blader has to get the effects to do serious dmg. Without the curses they do dmg, but not as much with having the curses. But a glaiver still beats the dmg output of a blader even with a blader using those curses. As I said earlier a blader has a harder time tanking a wizard than a glaiver. Yes, a glaiver can be nearly invincible for 15 seconds. However there is another class to worry about. That would be a rogue. A rogue with all the dmg buffs and crit can hit up to 17-19k on a blader. Thats only leaving 1k hp on the blader. While on a glaiver it would be 19-20k. Leaving 2k hp for the glaiver to survive.

i lol at u. bladers a easy kill for wiz? remember bladers have a shield. moreover, they can use fire buffs. and they also where garms. if bladers is an easy kill for wiz, then wats glaive? 1 touch ko? glavie have 15 sec buff, but wiz can still do dmg when a glaiver is using it. after 15 secs, its 1hit ko. bladers rely on blocks? u know there is more to it then just the br of a shield u know? and also, bladers can easily beat rogues. rogues wont usually be able to 1hit ko blades, while they can do the same thing to a glaivier.

Alright this is how I see things.
A Glaiver has 1138.7 Mag defense without Jewelry.
A Blader has 1322.1 Mag defense without jewelry and a shield +7
All stats are 100% and +5 gear.
Now as I said if you read the whole thing. A glaiver has 15 seconds of invincibility. With Bloody snake storm they have 2241 (90 cap with 80 gear) mag defense. Yes with that kind of defense they are 1 hit ko right? While a blader with 1322 defense isn't 1 hit ko. Yes bladers have block which is technically 0 dmg. But if a blader relies on block he will just get himself killed all the time. Bladers like that always suck. Its about strategy, not a miraculous block. I guess the same concept lies with a blader vs a rogue. But in the end it depends on the player behind the build.

Edit:
Too all the people saying that bladers will be better because the pot isn't going to rise...How does that affect a blader? The xl hp pot for both a blader and a glaiver is equal. They refill the same amount of hp per pot. In won't be any different than it is now between the two of them. The only difference is that the amount of hp refilled per potion will be slower or less. But they will both get the same amount of hp refilled.

guess u didnt get what i meant either. i know glavie has magic buff, and it pretty good, but u said a blader relies on block. bladers can get a closer amount of hp to glavier with alchemy (str on shield) plus it will help with their dmg. wat u are saying is, bladers shouldnt get block. bladers suck?even rogues cant i hit bladders. glaive is easy to kill. bladers dont rely on blocks. they can live without it. if a rogue can 1hit blader, it will be able to 1 hit anyone. have u even seen blader pvp ever?

about pots. blade has low dmg and high def. when fighting at current cap, the dmg blader do can be easily potted through. but at 90, bladers fast attacks will be hard to pot through. with bladers high tanking abilities, it wont need to use pots has much as anyone, so that wont affect bladers. so it a win/win for them

[BladeSkillz]

Nice skills, stick with blade.

I use Blade, Fire, and Force.
sub mastery ice (for mana wall).

AND I PWN!