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Here in Holland and in most of the European countries we still don't have capital punishment yet.

I think that's retarted. I think we should introduce the death penalty. When I see some crimes that are comitted, I can think of no other punishment then capital punishment.

It's a pitty we don't have it yet.

What do you guys think of it?

Not for it. Just send them to life in prison. That's worse than dying painlessly.

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Prophet Izaach wrote:Not for it. Just send them to life in prison. That's worse than dying painlessly.

but the tax payer has to pay for their ''punishment''.

do you know how much it costs just to imprison those beasts?

Figure that comes up. Cost. Space. etc.

Kill them to save money?

I haven't thought about this subject extensively. I'll stick to reading this thread for now.

Private Property Rights. Exactly what type of crimes are we talking about? I don't support the death penalty at all, but it would help if I knew what type of crime we're talking about here. The criminal should pay for the trouble they caused.

Barotix wrote:Private Property Rights. Exactly what type of crimes are we talking about?

Rapings, homicide, molesting

heroo wrote:

Barotix wrote:Private Property Rights. Exactly what type of crimes are we talking about?

Rapings, homicide, molesting

Well, there is vengeance and then there is justice. Justice is making the criminal pay for the damage he caused to that person's life (their property); justice is not revenge or making someone suffer more than is necessary because they committed a crime.

If one rapes/kills/molest another does that mean the rapist/killer/molester should be put to death? No, he should pay for the damage he caused to the family and the victim. The taxpayer has to pay for the actions of this criminal. The victim has to pay for the livelihood of the criminal. The criminal should pay for any expenses that may arise due to the crime. Sending him to a school of crime won't do, and infringing on his private property rights won't absolve him of his crimes. He must pay, and killing him won't pay for the damages caused.

Use them to make money!

The condemned?
Death Race?
Man Hunt?


muahaha! > >..

do some golden rule shit. kill someone you get killed. rape someone you get raped. steal something, cut off the hand.

Barotix wrote:

heroo wrote:

Barotix wrote:Private Property Rights. Exactly what type of crimes are we talking about?

Rapings, homicide, molesting

Well, there is vengeance and then there is justice. Justice is making the criminal pay for the damage he caused to that person's life (their property); justice is not revenge or making someone suffer more than is necessary because they committed a crime.

If one rapes/kills/molest another does that mean the rapist/killer/molester should be put to death? No, he should pay for the damage he caused to the family and the victim. The taxpayer has to pay for the actions of this criminal. The victim has to pay for the livelihood of the criminal. The criminal should pay for any expenses that may arise due to the crime. Sending him to a school of crime won't do, and infringing on his private property rights won't absolve him of his crimes. He must pay, and killing him won't pay for the damages caused.

I don't think you should punish them equally to their crime. If you do so, that would mean it would be a ''fair'' trade. You get punished for what you did.

However, we are forgetting that the victim did NOT choose for this ''trade''. A rapist can think raping someone is worth 20 years in jail. So from our perspective 20 years would be an appropriate punishment for his crime, but from his prespective and from the prespective of the victim it is not.

Therefor I think a punishment should not be equal to the crime, but worse. Criminals have top ay for what they did, they will suffer more then the victim and they will learn not to mess with people property's.

Prophet Izaach wrote:Not for it. Just send them to life in prison. That's worse than dying painlessly.

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sure, a warm bed, tv, paid work, excersize and a shit load of other shit like that, thats what i call worse then dying punishment

DarkJackal wrote:Use them to make money!

The condemned?
Death Race?
Man Hunt?


muahaha! > >..

Do what they did in Idiocracy.

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DarkJackal wrote:Use them to make money!

The condemned?
Death Race?
Man Hunt?


muahaha! > >..

Do what they did in Idiocracy.

I disagree completely. I beleive capital punishment is more exacting personal revenge upon them. Don't see prison as punishment but more a "storage area". If someone cant fit in society they should be held away for a length of time that will correct them ( personally i believe we need more correctional training facilities but i guess the government doesn't agree ). And you think 20 years is prison is easy? Have you ever been to prison? Hell its a lot tougher than you think it is.

Well, I'll let you decide if this is a fitting punishment for rape: What if the rapist has to pay for the mental and physical damage caused to the victim. When someone damages your property, if they're caught, they must pay for the repair. Raping him won't pay for the damage as the victim was still raped and may never recover from the mental damage. Killing him won't pay for the damage as the victim gets nothing from the death of the criminal. The victim still has to live with being raped, the victim may fear going out at night, the victim may fear being alone, the victim may fear relationships with others, the victim may even commit suicide. The mental damage caused by the incident cannot be absolved with murder. So how do you repair the damage? Make the rapist pay for the victim's expensive recovery. Make the rapist pay for the court cost. Attacking the rapist' pocket would deal a greater blow than sending him to prison or dealing a painless death, at the victim's expense.

Rape&Molestation? Castration and payment for the mental recovery of the victims.
Murder? Mandatory rehabilitation that the criminal must pay for out of his or her own pocket.

There are worse things than death...

I agree with the death penalty. I don't see it as a greater penalty than emprisoning someone, but if the process were to be redone and made more effective it would mean justice being carried out faster and cheaper.

We need harsher sentencing. A big reason why that can't be done is because we don't have enough room or money to put more people in jail. If the death penalty were something that was done quickly, rather than after 14 years on deathrow, it would make room and cost less than housing and feeding for 30 years.

[SD]Master_Wong wrote:

Prophet Izaach wrote:Not for it. Just send them to life in prison. That's worse than dying painlessly.

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sure, a warm bed, tv, paid work, excersize and a shit load of other shit like that, thats what i call worse then dying punishment

This ^

Depending on the country, prison isn't all that bad; at least in The Netherlands. Prisoners here get a nice breakfast, exercise, can play instruments and videogames, watch tv, read books from the prison library...

Death penalty for raping? No.

Death panalty for murdering three children? Yes.

If you see where I'm going.

Imho in extrodinary violent or sick behaviour a person should be able to get the death scentence. There are people out there that don't give a f*ck about the value of someone's life or even their own.

Screw the death penalty, bring back torture.

dom wrote:I agree with the death penalty. I don't see it as a greater penalty than emprisoning someone, but if the process were to be redone and made more effective it would mean justice being carried out faster and cheaper.

We need harsher sentencing. A big reason why that can't be done is because we don't have enough room or money to put more people in jail. If the death penalty were something that was done quickly, rather than after 14 years on deathrow, it would make room and cost less than housing and feeding for 30 years.

if cost is what is bothering you wouldn't it make more sense to put them to work for life...

XemnasXD wrote:

dom wrote:I agree with the death penalty. I don't see it as a greater penalty than emprisoning someone, but if the process were to be redone and made more effective it would mean justice being carried out faster and cheaper.

We need harsher sentencing. A big reason why that can't be done is because we don't have enough room or money to put more people in jail. If the death penalty were something that was done quickly, rather than after 14 years on deathrow, it would make room and cost less than housing and feeding for 30 years.

if cost is what is bothering you wouldn't it make more sense to put them to work for life...

Not when they pose a risk to society. Not to mention that most thugs don't have many marketable skills.

dom wrote:

XemnasXD wrote:

dom wrote:I agree with the death penalty. I don't see it as a greater penalty than emprisoning someone, but if the process were to be redone and made more effective it would mean justice being carried out faster and cheaper.

We need harsher sentencing. A big reason why that can't be done is because we don't have enough room or money to put more people in jail. If the death penalty were something that was done quickly, rather than after 14 years on deathrow, it would make room and cost less than housing and feeding for 30 years.

if cost is what is bothering you wouldn't it make more sense to put them to work for life...

Not when they pose a risk to society. Not to mention that most thugs don't have many marketable skills.

thugs and/or many criminals can be rehabilitated successfully. I thought we were talking about violent criminals, rapist, molesters...

would you just dole out death penalty for theft or petty crimes, corporate crimes which hurt more people in the long run with loss of jobs. Raping a person is one thing but causing a company to go under so you can profit, isn't that kinda like raping alot of people...

i dun think the death penalty is right being locked up in a cell is bad enough....

heroo, you have a nice sig you got there lool.

Ashikiheyun wrote:Screw the death penalty, bring back torture.

Yeah, some people just deserve to get what they did to others.

He burnt a house? burn him
He raped children? Rape him
He killed ppl? Torture him to death

mwahaha

[SD]Kratos wrote:

Ashikiheyun wrote:Screw the death penalty, bring back torture.

Yeah, some people just deserve to get what they did to others.

He burnt a house? burn him
He raped children? Rape him
He killed ppl? Torture him to death

mwahaha

eye for an eye is the way to go.
why waste tax payer and potential victims money on fixing them or storing them? they've done something like murder or rape just kill them, easier and cheaper.

XemnasXD wrote:
thugs and/or many criminals can be rehabilitated successfully. I thought we were talking about violent criminals, rapist, molesters...

would you just dole out death penalty for theft or petty crimes, corporate crimes which hurt more people in the long run with loss of jobs. Raping a person is one thing but causing a company to go under so you can profit, isn't that kinda like raping alot of people...

Drug cartels, drive by shootings, gang shootings, etc. etc.

I wouldn't call those petty.

tedtwilliger wrote:I disagree completely. I beleive capital punishment is more exacting personal revenge upon them. Don't see prison as punishment but more a "storage area". If someone cant fit in society they should be held away for a length of time that will correct them ( personally i believe we need more correctional training facilities but i guess the government doesn't agree ). And you think 20 years is prison is easy? Have you ever been to prison? Hell its a lot tougher than you think it is.

I'm not wishing this upon you or anything like that but I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to hear you say that again once one of your friends or family members gets raped, killed, and thrown away. I'm not saying you should base this on emotions, I'm just pointing out how big of a hypocrite you are and to give you a small hint that those victims do have family members and friends as well.

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I heard from one of the Irish tourists I was talking with the other day that you only get a few months in prison for rape in Ireland. (And I thought the American justice system sucks...)
By the way, I really don't understand the "reasoning" behind finding humane ways to kill these criminals -- especially when they're sucking out my tax dollars for performing such time-consuming and expensive methods like the lethal injection. My suggestion: harvest organs and donate the remaining parts to universities and/or research institutes.

Religion and State is supposed to be separate anyway. Therefore the whole "body is the temple of the holy spirit" crap should not apply to these individuals who gave up their rights when they committed their crimes.

Why does it matter if it happens to someone i know though? To change my mind would be to say i want revenge, not justice. Whether it happens to me, someone else or someone close to me the same crime has been committed. These people are not well fit for our society and so they should be re trained into how to function properly in our society. I would rather a bunch of functional people in this world than a bunch of dead people.

And you have the right to call me a hypocrite despite you knowing nothing about who I am or any of the situations that have occurred in my life? Yeah have good luck justifying that. I have had my fair few run in with “criminals” before, many times Ii could talk the way out of a savage beating and other times I haven't been so lucky. Being jumped by a group of men and being threatened by knives isn’t the world’s most pleasing experience, don’t you agree? Though do I wish death and misery upon those groups of people? No I do not. I simply wish that they could function properly in our world and not commit such acts in the further. But no, stick to your unjustified statements based on one single comment you make, it wont get you far in life

tedtwilliger wrote:Why does it matter if it happens to someone i know though? To change my mind would be to say i want revenge, not justice. Whether it happens to me, someone else or someone close to me the same crime has been committed. These people are not well fit for our society and so they should be re trained into how to function properly in our society. I would rather a bunch of functional people in this world than a bunch of dead people.

And you have the right to call me a hypocrite despite you knowing nothing about who I am or any of the situations that have occurred in my life? Yeah have good luck justifying that. I have had my fair few run in with “criminals” before, many times Ii could talk the way out of a savage beating and other times I haven't been so lucky. Being jumped by a group of men and being threatened by knives isn’t the world’s most pleasing experience, don’t you agree? Though do I wish death and misery upon those groups of people? No I do not. I simply wish that they could function properly in our world and not commit such acts in the further. But no, stick to your unjustified statements based on one single comment you make, it wont get you far in life

1. Read the edited post above. There are several ways in which dead people can actually serve a valuable purpose in society. Problem solved.

2. I've had some experience with them too. I live in the US now but I grew up in a poor country before I moved here. I'm not even gonna' bother mentioning them -- all I'm gonna' say is that none of them could be described as "pleasant" either.

The difference between us is that you succumb to the "moral" BS that society forcefully feeds us. I have my own definition of morality and I assure you that it doesn't involve sharing any sympathy for those child-molesting buddies of yours.