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Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:49 am
by foudre
So I'm bored and want to see how the members of srf off topic lounge can handle my cypher system. This is lvl 1 and just a the average newspaper level of cypher, level 4 and beyond might take you writing a computer script. I will make a new on each week (not sure how many steps to take to get there) till I get to my max beyond reason cypher system i devolped, I'm still going to have to write a program to make it because doing it by hand would take days.
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RSQA BFAAVJF LQPP BVXF QRAFPN TPFVK. MCR ZWC LQPP AWWE SVBF RS PWWX MFZWEY RSF PFRRFKA NWK SQJSFK PFOFPA. VATQQ LQPP MF ZWCK JCQYF VSFVY.
clues:
V= A
A= S
T= C
Q= I
W= 0
E= N
Y= D
tried to make this on easy, so nothing that won't take too long
edit please post your answers in smallest font possible so it doesn't spoil it for others
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:55 am
by mike2007
foudre wrote:clues:
V= A
A= S
T= C
Q= I
V= 0
E= N
Y= D
its impossible to solve as you have 2 letters standing for 1 other letter.
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:58 am
by foudre
mike2007 wrote:foudre wrote:clues:
V= A
A= S
T= C
Q= I
V= 0
E= N
Y= D
its impossible to solve as you have 2 letters standing for 1 other letter.
my bad W = 0
cruor solved on sra despite my typos so its not that unpossible
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:59 am
by mike2007
that was my guess. ill get to work solving it now.
EDIT: im goin to bed
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:23 am
by MrFudge
maybe if it wasnt 3 30am
night
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:17 am
by mike2007
i think u typoed it in a couple places
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:20 am
by foudre
mike2007 wrote:i think u typoed it in a couple places
close enough ya i did typo, I kinda rushed making it didn't take time to double check, you got it mostly right, you got the main clue that you'll need to know for higher lvls out of it
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:21 am
by Draquish
I miss Mixmax's thread.
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:38 am
by Rainigul
A tough one (which I just made up, so I'm not sure if it's even possible, lol)
Ps pku Qbdbfu Nbekuwtfcuws:...
...
... Bp bm olyuwz nz qlpz ps ksfsly zsl gbpk pkbm mtwlptpbsf, mbfeu pku gsywq ktm ntfz obfcm hlp sfwz sfu Nbekuwtfcuws.
Hints:
I will not give you any hints about the letters, but I will give you these:
This is a quote from a man in history.
The spelling is British-English.
The cypher is based off of a popular phrase, but had to be altered slightly for it to work in the cypher (when someone figures the cypher out, they may notice it, or I'll point it out for them).
Try to do this without asking for more hints!
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:55 am
by mike2007
Rainigul wrote:A tough one (which I just made up, so I'm not sure if it's even possible, lol)
Ps pku Qbdbfu Nbekuwtfcuws:...
...
... Bp bm olyuwz nz qlpz ps ksfsly zsl gbpk pkbm mtwlptpbsf, mbfeu pku gsywq ktm ntfz obfcm hlp sfwz sfu Nbekuwtfcuws.
Hints:
I will not give you any hints about the letters, but I will give you these:
This is a quote from a man in history.
The spelling is British-English.
The cypher is based off of a popular phrase, but had to be altered slightly for it to work in the cypher (when someone figures the cypher out, they may notice it, or I'll point it out for them).
Try to do this without asking for more hints!
its not impossible but definitley improbable. u have to give us at least 1 word we can start with so we can start to piece others together like foudre did. in foudre's for instance i noticed the word level (plus a couple others) fairly quickly because it spelled the same backwards as it is forwards. the easiest thing in urs r the 2 letter words, bm, nz, & ps but none of them share any letters so theres no way of figuring out which word is which. i think the only way to solve urs is to guess quite a bit.
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:00 am
by Rainigul
mike2007 wrote:Rainigul wrote:A tough one (which I just made up, so I'm not sure if it's even possible, lol)
Ps pku Qbdbfu Nbekuwtfcuws:...
...
... Bp bm olyuwz nz qlpz ps ksfsly zsl gbpk pkbm mtwlptpbsf, mbfeu pku gsywq ktm ntfz obfcm hlp sfwz sfu Nbekuwtfcuws.
Hints:
I will not give you any hints about the letters, but I will give you these:
This is a quote from a man in history.
The spelling is British-English.
The cypher is based off of a popular phrase, but had to be altered slightly for it to work in the cypher (when someone figures the cypher out, they may notice it, or I'll point it out for them).
Try to do this without asking for more hints!
its not impossible but definitley improbable. u have to give us at least 1 word we can start with so we can start to piece others together like foudre did. in foudre's for instance i noticed the word level (plus a couple others) fairly quickly because it spelled the same backwards as it is forwards. the easiest thing in urs r the 2 letter words, bm, nz, & ps but none of them share any letters so theres no way of figuring out which word is which. i think the only way to solve urs is to guess quite a bit.
Ps pku Qbdbfu Nbekuwtfcuws:...
...
...
Bp bm olyuwz
nz qlpz
ps ksfsly zsl gbpk pkbm mtwlptpbsf, mbfeu pku gsywq ktm ntfz obfcm hlp sfwz sfu Nbekuwtfcuws.
Ps (twice), Bp, Bm, and Nz are all done.
Ps is done twice, and the letter B is repeated twice. The cypher begins with "Ps", a two letter word, how many two letter words can you use to start a sentence (which is also the very beginning of the whole thing (I skipped a bit in the middle, that's why I have the "..."s))? Not many. Soon after the "Ps" are two words which are capitalized, the last one being very long, what words are long and capitalized? Now combine that with the cypher beginning with a two letter word.
Hopefully that helps.
Just use knowledge of the english language, and it shouldn't be too tough to solve. It will take a while though.
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:15 am
by foudre
mike2007 wrote:Rainigul wrote:A tough one (which I just made up, so I'm not sure if it's even possible, lol)
Ps pku Qbdbfu Nbekuwtfcuws:...
...
... Bp bm olyuwz nz qlpz ps ksfsly zsl gbpk pkbm mtwlptpbsf, mbfeu pku gsywq ktm ntfz obfcm hlp sfwz sfu Nbekuwtfcuws.
Hints:
I will not give you any hints about the letters, but I will give you these:
This is a quote from a man in history.
The spelling is British-English.
The cypher is based off of a popular phrase, but had to be altered slightly for it to work in the cypher (when someone figures the cypher out, they may notice it, or I'll point it out for them).
Try to do this without asking for more hints!
its not impossible but definitley improbable. u have to give us at least 1 word we can start with so we can start to piece others together like foudre did. in foudre's for instance i noticed the word level (plus a couple others) fairly quickly because it spelled the same backwards as it is forwards. the easiest thing in urs r the 2 letter words, bm, nz, & ps but none of them share any letters so theres no way of figuring out which word is which. i think the only way to solve urs is to guess quite a bit.
Mines still lvl1, my higher lvl ones will require you to use ascii, which i gave the letters for to make sure who ever would be able to get it. I could already write down a lvl 2, i think i'll do 4 or 5 lvls, but lvl 5 and beyond it gets kinda crazy where it can take a while page for a single sentance
I'll try rainguls though to see if i can, making them is always easier then solving
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:29 am
by mike2007
Rainigul wrote:mike2007 wrote:Rainigul wrote:A tough one (which I just made up, so I'm not sure if it's even possible, lol)
Ps pku Qbdbfu Nbekuwtfcuws:...
...
... Bp bm olyuwz nz qlpz ps ksfsly zsl gbpk pkbm mtwlptpbsf, mbfeu pku gsywq ktm ntfz obfcm hlp sfwz sfu Nbekuwtfcuws.
Hints:
I will not give you any hints about the letters, but I will give you these:
This is a quote from a man in history.
The spelling is British-English.
The cypher is based off of a popular phrase, but had to be altered slightly for it to work in the cypher (when someone figures the cypher out, they may notice it, or I'll point it out for them).
Try to do this without asking for more hints!
its not impossible but definitley improbable. u have to give us at least 1 word we can start with so we can start to piece others together like foudre did. in foudre's for instance i noticed the word level (plus a couple others) fairly quickly because it spelled the same backwards as it is forwards. the easiest thing in urs r the 2 letter words, bm, nz, & ps but none of them share any letters so theres no way of figuring out which word is which. i think the only way to solve urs is to guess quite a bit.
Ps pku Qbdbfu Nbekuwtfcuws:...
...
...
Bp bm olyuwz
nz qlpz
ps ksfsly zsl gbpk pkbm mtwlptpbsf, mbfeu pku gsywq ktm ntfz obfcm hlp sfwz sfu Nbekuwtfcuws.
Ps (twice), Bp, Bm, and Nz are all done.
Ps is done twice, and the letter B is repeated twice. The cypher begins with "Ps", a two letter word, how many two letter words can you use to start a sentence (which is also the very beginning of the whole thing (I skipped a bit in the middle, that's why I have the "..."s))? Not many. Soon after the "Ps" are two words which are capitalized, the last one being very long, what words are long and capitalized? Now combine that with the cypher beginning with a two letter word.
Hopefully that helps.
Just use knowledge of the english language, and it shouldn't be too tough to solve. It will take a while though.
firstly u can use any word to start a sentence. secondly i didnt notice Bp for some reason but even considering that there r still not enough shared letters between all the 2 letter words to start with. i can think of quite a few 2 letter words off the off the top of my head so it doesnt help; ie: as, by, my, hi, is, it, no, of, on, so, to, us, we. and not every1 knows quotes from old british-english so u cant expect much there ither. the general rule of a cypher is to give us some kind of clues by which i mean like foudre did with telling us about half a dozen letters in the cypher.
like this:
XYJOAL HDYZ SOH JLMYOZ. with Y = I, H = T, O = U & L = E.
and even u said that u didnt know if it was solveable.
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:57 am
by foudre
i can tell you this for rain's at least t and k are vowels
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:09 am
by mike2007
im assuming B is as well, but im goin to hte movies soon so im not gonna bother trying at least til i get back
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:13 am
by foudre
i wish i could figure out what noun that is, if i were able to this would be really easy, k could either also be r or h, so i'm not sure its a vowel any more
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:21 am
by Cruor
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:44 am
by foudre
either i did this wrong or the noun is misspelled and you have two letters reprsenting
opps edit, i 2 letters under mtwlptpbsf got shifted to the left
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:47 pm
by Rainigul
Cruor wrote:Typo or my bad?
Beautifully done cruor, yeah, that was a typo, sorry.
@Mike It's not old english
just british english spelling
. And when I said I wasn't sure if it was possible, I meant I may have made a crutial mistake which would make it impossible to understand.
[EDIT:] Oh yeah, did you find out what phrase the cypher is based off of?
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:28 pm
by blackfalcon
should be pretty easy if you know ASCII and multiplication.
520.505.540.540.555 575.570.510 .165
*hint*
its all lower case.
a=.485
z=.610
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:31 pm
by foudre
Rainigul wrote:Cruor wrote:Typo or my bad?
Beautifully done cruor, yeah, that was a typo, sorry.
@Mike It's not old english
just british english spelling
. And when I said I wasn't sure if it was possible, I meant I may have made a crutial mistake which would make it impossible to understand.
[EDIT:] Oh yeah, did you find out what phrase the cypher is based off of?
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:13 am
by mike2007
Rainigul wrote:@Mike It's not old english
just british english spelling
. And when I said I wasn't sure if it was possible, I meant I may have made a crutial mistake which would make it impossible to understand.
if its from the time of michelangelo its old english.
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:34 pm
by Rainigul
mike2007 wrote:Rainigul wrote:@Mike It's not old english
just british english spelling
. And when I said I wasn't sure if it was possible, I meant I may have made a crutial mistake which would make it impossible to understand.
if its from the time of michelangelo its old english.
Does that look like old english to you?
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:34 pm
by mike2007
Rainigul wrote:mike2007 wrote:Rainigul wrote:@Mike It's not old english
just british english spelling
. And when I said I wasn't sure if it was possible, I meant I may have made a crutial mistake which would make it impossible to understand.
if its from the time of michelangelo its old english.
Does that look like old english to you?
ok i tried to b nice, but ur just disagreeing with me with no reason behind ur posts just becaues u can. if you're gonna disagree put some logic bhind it.
oh and, yes the sentence structure is set up along with the word choices make it seem much more like old english rather than modern english.
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:25 am
by Rainigul
mike2007 wrote:Rainigul wrote:mike2007 wrote:if its from the time of michelangelo its old english.
Does that look like old english to you?
ok i tried to b nice, but ur just disagreeing with me with no reason behind ur posts just becaues u can. if you're gonna disagree put some logic bhind it.
oh and, yes the sentence structure is set up along with the word choices make it seem much more like old english rather than modern english.
Is new english "gonna" and "bhind" and "ur"? It's a normal sentence, it's not like the guy who wrote that ACTUALLY wrote that, he wrote it in Latin or something, this is a translated version, by someone in our time, and it makes sense.
But whatever, you didn't get it, and I wrote it was old English, so I guess we were both wrong.
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:42 am
by mike2007
Rainigul wrote:Is new english "gonna" and "bhind" and "ur"?
my sentence structure was definitley new english, but those word choices r just slang and chat speak simplizations that help a user input msgs faster into the interface. ull notice ive done it again several times within this post as well, and i do it in virtually all my posts.
Rainigul wrote:It's a normal sentence, it's not like the guy who wrote that ACTUALLY wrote that, he wrote it in Latin or something, this is a translated version, by someone in our time, and it makes sense.
the original time period and sentence structure make all the difference. it doesnt matter when it was traslated or by whom, it might not b old english but its at least old latin. and when did i argue whether it made sense or not?
Rainigul wrote:But whatever, you didn't get it, and I wrote it was old English, so I guess we were both wrong.
wrong? i wasnt wrong, i used information given to me by u claiming it was old english. u were wrong allright, but i was just misinformed.
but anywayz im not debating with you anymore on the subject or any other cus u refuse to listen to logic and reason. and im tired of reading ur posts, so im putting u on my foes list.
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:50 am
by Rainigul
mike2007 wrote:Rainigul wrote:Is new english "gonna" and "bhind" and "ur"?
my sentence structure was definitley new english, but those word choices r just slang and chat speak simplizations that help a user input msgs faster into the interface. ull notice ive done it again several times within this post as well, and i do it in virtually all my posts.
Rainigul wrote:It's a normal sentence, it's not like the guy who wrote that ACTUALLY wrote that, he wrote it in Latin or something, this is a translated version, by someone in our time, and it makes sense.
the original time period and sentence structure make all the difference. it doesnt matter when it was traslated or by whom, it might not b old english but its at least old latin. and when did i argue whether it made sense or not?
Rainigul wrote:But whatever, you didn't get it, and I wrote it was old English, so I guess we were both wrong.
wrong? i wasnt wrong, i used information given to me by u claiming it was old english. u were wrong allright, but i was just misinformed.
but anywayz im not debating with you anymore on the subject or any other cus u refuse to listen to logic and reason. and im tired of reading ur posts, so im putting u on my foes list.
What? You just totally contradicted yourself. You said that it's old English, and then you say you're misinformed because I called it old English. First, I didn't call it old English, I said the spelling was British-English, it just plain out isn't old English. According to you, someone 2000 years ago could have said "Hi, my name is Tom". And now, someone could say "Hi, my name is Tom" and it would be old English. That makes no sense.
It just plain isn't old English, I spelled one word the British-English way, and now you're getting your panties in a twist about it. How am I wrong? There is nothing I'm wrong about, I never said it was old English, and it's not old English, point out something that makes it old English, and I'll admit defeat. But what you're saying is that because it was written a long time ago, in a different language, and then translated in modern times, it is old English, which makes no sense.
You were wrong however, because you thought (and think) that the quote is old English, which it is not. You were also unable to decypher it, even though it was entirely possible. It is very easy to decypher a cypher, even when no letters are given. How do you think the zodiac killer worked? You think he wrote out his cyphers and then at the bottom wrote a key? No, he didn't.
This will be my last post in this thread, but if you want to continue the argument, pm me.
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:55 am
by Hostage
Isn't it pretty redundant replying with a response like that, now that he's put you on his foes list?....not like he will be able to see what you wrote. Just saying.
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:27 am
by mike2007
c if i care. i dont want to talk to him and therefore him putting me on his foes list reduces the chances.
Re: Foudre's Cypher Level 1
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:30 am
by foudre
this was supposed to be a fun thing how did an argument arise