China's One Child Policy

[JacksColon]

Your thoughts. I have been covering this for my work for a while. And we brought Harry Wu, a noted former Chinese political prisoner and human rights activist down to speak last Fall. I found this on the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7174410.stm

[Casey613]

In my opinion that was the only way to decrease the population, imagine if they never had that rule..?

China is one huge giant with mud feets, the feets being it's population and the birth rate, but I seriously doubt 90.000 families having 1-2 more kids than they're allowed to will harm the community.

[Key-J]

Look at it from a resources point of view. Well, ive studied this in school as well. And personally, i think that it's an acceptable policy. I mean, China is way over populated, and with the majority of the government following a Neo-Malthusian view, it is best that they try to reduce the population accordingly. Sure there are some esther bouserup supporters, that understand the supply of resources will be increased as the demand for it increases. Remember, population is growing in an exponential rate (1,2,4,8,16.. eg) and food resource growing in an arithmetic rate (2,4,6,8,10.. eg)

Yet, they still understand that communal villages still rely on the family system to sustain their lives. That's why they are allowed to have more than one child, and at times if their first born is a girl, they are allowed to ask permission to try for a second child.

There is no lie that the worlds population is growing at an incredible rate, and currently we actually have enough food, world wide to feed all the people in the world, and keep them well nourished. However, it's the distribution of the food that is causing the problems, and with China in it's current state of development, it's size and having the largest population in the world, you cant really see it benefiting.

Sure there are those who argue the problems that can be brought about by only being allowed to have one child, and how it might conflict with human rights and so on. Yet, it is, in my belief for the best of China.

[Doron]

Yeah yeah, old news...

I knew that since I was 12 or something...

And chinese people also leave their just born daughters at someone's door because they want to have a boy...

[Priam]

Yeah yeah, old news...

I knew that since I was 12 or something...

And chinese people also leave their just born daughters at someone's door because they want to have a boy...

Hes asking for a discussion about the policy, not if you know it/or not.

[dom]

Yeah yeah, old news...

I knew that since I was 12 or something...

And chinese people also leave their just born daughters at someone's door because they want to have a boy...

Hes asking for a discussion about the policy, not if you know it/or not.

+1



IMO: Restricting the number of children allowed per couple is one of the few humane and effective ways of handling the issue. Although, I bet a lot of people would pay for pay-per-view gladiator combat to the death.

[Crumpets]

Yeah yeah, old news...

I knew that since I was 12 or something...

And chinese people also leave their just born daughters at someone's door because they want to have a boy...

He's not saying he just found out, hes trying to start a discussion on the matter.

IMO it's acceptable .. And should honestly be set in place for more parts of the wrold. Africa for example? Hell even some European countries. Ugh the nearest house near us lives a family with 9+ kids, for the sole puprose of child benefits. 1 Child policy will let people focus more and solve alot of overcrowding problems, not just in China.

Yes I fully understand the desire of having multiple children, or siblings. But greed has to be put aside for growth.

[Doron]

Yeah yeah, old news...

I knew that since I was 12 or something...

And chinese people also leave their just born daughters at someone's door because they want to have a boy...

Hes asking for a discussion about the policy, not if you know it/or not.

Oooh.. I knew I forgot something....

I hate it, even though you all are kidna right...
It's good...

But I still hate it...

Well, it maybe sound strange from some 15 year old, and someone who kinda hate children...

But not everybody is like me...

[Priam]

imo, it's not just acceptable, but something that needed to be done. Look at the country size, it's impossible to let people have as many children as they want.

There's no way the earth, or the human race, can support such an increase of population.

[JacksColon]

I think this is an interesting aspect of the policy that doesn't often get told, or that many people ignore:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=H4OWJlyaHt0&feature=related

[Priam]

"If the 1 child per family method hadn't been enforced (or however he said it)
the chinese population would've reached 1.3 billion 4 years ago."

Scary isn't it.

Am still watching it, so don't bash me on the rest of the movie.

[JacksColon]

"If the 1 child per family method hadn't been enforced (or however he said it)
the chinese population would've reached 1.3 billion 4 years ago."

Scary isn't it.

Am still watching it, so don't bash me on the rest of the movie.

hahaha oookay

[Crumpets]

Oh I guess the side effect is the Boys out weighing the number of girls born.


Hmm, well I guess I can't find a reasonable fix for that. But it does explain the creativity of the Chinese in a way ...

[Itonami]

I personally want a houseful of kids (no, not near 9 at all). but I think Crumpets it right, in saying that that rule should be placed on more countries around the world. Africa has an extremely high AIDS/HIV rate, which without treatment is spread to thousands of new children each year at birth. Sure, putting a one child rule wouldn't stop it, but it might slow it down? I don't know about the rest of you, but I see more benefit than just population control when I think of the 1-child rule.

[JacksColon]

So, no one here has a problem with FORCED abortion? Or the strong penalties for breaking the one-child policy?

[StealMySoda]

Look at it from a resources point of view. Well, ive studied this in school as well. And personally, i think that it's an acceptable policy. I mean, China is way over populated, and with the majority of the government following a Neo-Malthusian view, it is best that they try to reduce the population accordingly. Sure there are some esther bouserup supporters, that understand the supply of resources will be increased as the demand for it increases. Remember, population is growing in an exponential rate (1,2,4,8,16.. eg) and food resource growing in an arithmetic rate (2,4,6,8,10.. eg)

Yet, they still understand that communal villages still rely on the family system to sustain their lives. That's why they are allowed to have more than one child, and at times if their first born is a girl, they are allowed to ask permission to try for a second child.

There is no lie that the worlds population is growing at an incredible rate, and currently we actually have enough food, world wide to feed all the people in the world, and keep them well nourished. However, it's the distribution of the food that is causing the problems, and with China in it's current state of development, it's size and having the largest population in the world, you cant really see it benefiting.

Sure there are those who argue the problems that can be brought about by only being allowed to have one child, and how it might conflict with human rights and so on. Yet, it is, in my belief for the best of China.

Too much I.B. geography for you mister

[Priam]

So, no one here has a problem with FORCED abortion? Or the strong penalties for breaking the one-child policy?

i for one do. People having had more than 1 child were almost made outcasts of society. Fines up to 4 times an anual salery are rediculous. And forced abortions are the worst, wtb emotion trauma for the rest of my life.

People are/were being punished for having nature run it's course, which is a twisted kinda thing.

though the policy itself, is a humane way to deal with this. It's just not followed through properly.

[Crumpets]

So, no one here has a problem with FORCED abortion? Or the strong penalties for breaking the one-child policy?

There's always a downside to everything. All tho forced abortion must be an awful experience to go through, the parents should have thought twice before even attempting.

Here's a thought: Mandatory sterilisation of woman who just gave birth.

[StealMySoda]

So, no one here has a problem with FORCED abortion? Or the strong penalties for breaking the one-child policy?

i for one do. People having had more than 1 child were almost made outcasts of society. Fines up to 4 times an anual salery are rediculous. And forced abortions are the worst, wtb emotion trauma for the rest of my life.

People are/were being punished for having nature run it's course, which is a twisted kinda thing.

though the policy itself, is a humane way to deal with this. It's just not followed through properly.

I agree somewhat. But if theres no punishment, no one would follow the guidelines.

[Valkasdar]

Yeah yeah, old news...

I knew that since I was 12 or something...

And chinese people also leave their just born daughters at someone's door because they want to have a boy...

Same here I know this from school when I was in 2nd degree
And even now I agree with this

[Priam]

Yeah yeah, old news...

I knew that since I was 12 or something...

And chinese people also leave their just born daughters at someone's door because they want to have a boy...

Same here I know this from school when I was in 2nd degree
And even now I agree with this

Read the Farking topic before posting knob, +1 postcount for the win right?

@soda, i agree. But punishment in the forms stated are as far as i know in direct violation of several human rights.

They might need to come up with something more humane.

I mean, i can imagine having a normal abortion might be hard, thus being forced is a down right trauma.

[JacksColon]

So, no one here has a problem with FORCED abortion? Or the strong penalties for breaking the one-child policy?

There's always a downside to everything. All tho forced abortion must be an awful experience to go through, the parents should have thought twice before even attempting.

Here's a thought: Mandatory sterilisation of woman who just gave birth.

I don't agree with either forced abortions or mandatory sterilisation. causing future problems for women's health is not a good idea in my opinion. And why not sterilize the males? why just the women? I think that the one-child policy is the EASIEST to impliment, therefore the one of choice. I think there are probably better options out there, but societies typically go for the first/easiest solution

[Priam]

Tho, considering past, present, and perhaps future, the 1 child policy wasn't really easy after all.

[Crumpets]

I don't agree with either forced abortions or mandatory sterilisation. causing future problems for women's health is not a good idea in my opinion. And why not sterilize the males? why just the women? I think that the one-child policy is the EASIEST to impliment, therefore the one of choice. I think there are probably better options out there, but societies typically go for the first/easiest solution

Ofcourse males could be sterilized too. I dunno, seems a crappy idea now I guess if they were to divorce :s.

[Itonami]

I don't agree with either forced abortions or mandatory sterilisation. causing future problems for women's health is not a good idea in my opinion. And why not sterilize the males? why just the women? I think that the one-child policy is the EASIEST to impliment, therefore the one of choice. I think there are probably better options out there, but societies typically go for the first/easiest solution

Ofcourse males could be sterilized too. I dunno, seems a crappy idea now I guess if they were to divorce :s.

Pfft. Men have the wigglers that cause babies, so maybe they should be the ones who get sterilized. Maybe make it a half/half deal?

I feel awful for people who have twins and triplets in China, because I suppose it's treated the same way? =/

[Valkasdar]

I feel awful for people who have twins and triplets in China, because I suppose it's treated the same way? =/

Wow... I dont know about the twins or the triplets... but I think they dont because they are not guilty about that... I mean no one say "This child will be two twins becaouse I WANT THAT !" you know what i mena

But if they treated them the same way... this will be so aweful

[JacksColon]

I don't agree with either forced abortions or mandatory sterilisation. causing future problems for women's health is not a good idea in my opinion. And why not sterilize the males? why just the women? I think that the one-child policy is the EASIEST to impliment, therefore the one of choice. I think there are probably better options out there, but societies typically go for the first/easiest solution

Ofcourse males could be sterilized too. I dunno, seems a crappy idea now I guess if they were to divorce :s.

Pfft. Men have the wigglers that cause babies, so maybe they should be the ones who get sterilized. Maybe make it a half/half deal?

I feel awful for people who have twins and triplets in China, because I suppose it's treated the same way? =/

not sure about the twins and such. I would imagine that the same rule applies. and I agree, that it's easier for men to be sterilized (and less painful). Plus, the "wiggler" can still function properly, so if they do get divorced, no problem. But, men run societies, so the first scapegoat is women (and btw, I'm a man)

[Priam]

I don't agree with either forced abortions or mandatory sterilisation. causing future problems for women's health is not a good idea in my opinion. And why not sterilize the males? why just the women? I think that the one-child policy is the EASIEST to impliment, therefore the one of choice. I think there are probably better options out there, but societies typically go for the first/easiest solution

Ofcourse males could be sterilized too. I dunno, seems a crappy idea now I guess if they were to divorce :s.

Pfft. Men have the wigglers that cause babies, so maybe they should be the ones who get sterilized. Maybe make it a half/half deal?

I feel awful for people who have twins and triplets in China, because I suppose it's treated the same way? =/

I'd buy an encyclopedia on that, women have an equal share in creating a child.

It's a one child policy, i don't know of any exception that don't involve high fines, or forced actions.

[MrBow]

I agree with the 1 child policy, in the end it's best for all chinese people. However they are creating another (maybe even bigger) problem at the moment. The chinese population is getting older and older because of lack of new children. I read in an article that ~2030 there will be two working persons for one 65+ person. That will destroy the current booming economy over there.

[Priam]

I agree with the 1 child policy, in the end it's best for all chinese people. However they are creating another (maybe even bigger) problem at the moment. The chinese population is getting older and older because of lack of new children. I read in an article that ~2030 there will be two working persons for one 65+ person. That will destroy the current booming economy over there.

Correct, i have read the same. I believe the exact numbers were 50% of the population in 2050.