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Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:01 pm
by XesoS
so, those who read newspaper or watch news know about this conflict that is going on for days . Whats ur thoughts about it and who or what is to blame in this conflict . Also let me remind u that this isnt about whos bad or good .
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:20 pm
by chrisorg
As a person living in the Baltic States I'm very interested in this conflict because it shows what Russia is capable of and what NATO/EU can and will do about this agression. Now that Ukraine called for full army mobilisation it's kinda clear that they are willing to stand up for themselves and show Putin that he just can't do whatever the hell he wants.
Live news about the crisis:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26405082
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:33 pm
by XesoS
chrisorg wrote:As a person living in the Baltic States I'm very interested in this conflict because it shows what Russia is capable of and what NATO/EU can and will do about this agression. Now that Ukraine called for full army mobilisation it's kinda clear that they are willing to stand up for themselves and show Putin that he just can't do whatever the hell he wants.
Live news about the crisis:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26405082
Russia is in state to take Ukraine with all the costs , NATO/EU wont do anything then talk and talk about peaceful resolution . Me as Georgian knew that this would/could happen , but honoustly West-European citizins dont give a flying fck whats happening in Eastern Europe
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:45 pm
by _Dutchy_
The united states no longer has the military capability left in Europe to do anything about this. The rest of the Nato army aka Europe has been through non stop budget cuts for the last 20 years. rendering it pretty much ineffective without American support. Besides i think the american's are tired of Europe leaching of the united states military power and pretty much think europe should fix this problem themselves.
The Ukraine should step down and give the Crimea to Russia, If they try to take it back by force they will lose east Ukraine to.
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:46 pm
by *BlackFox
Hopefully... This is going to end well.
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:54 pm
by XesoS
*BlackFox wrote:Hopefully... This is going to end well.
Amen
@Dutchy : totally right , but Would u give up Limburg ? If countrys keep giving up everything without a fight what does them keeping away from taking everything ?
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:57 pm
by _Dutchy_
XesoS wrote:*BlackFox wrote:Hopefully... This is going to end well.
Amen
@Dutchy : totally right , but Would u give up Limburg ? If countrys keep giving up everything without a fight what does them keeping away from taking everything ?
Of course a country should fight.
However there are only 2 options for the Ukraine right now. 1 being bad and the other being worse. looking at the economic's of this side. there is allot of industry that Ukraine would lose in the east. can they afford that ? being in such a dire economic situation ? after a revolution ? If the Ukraine goes toe to toe with the Russians now there country will be thrown back 20 or even 30 years.
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:23 pm
by CrimsonNuker
I don't know much about this situation in Ukraine, but AFAIK...
Ukraine was going to choose between Russia or EU or some shit
President of Ukraine wanted Russia
Ukrainian people didn't want this shit; so they revolted
Ukrainian people won, president driven out
Russia says fuq dat, sends troops to southern Ukrainian peninsula where a bunch of Russians live
Am I on the right track?
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:25 pm
by _Dutchy_
CrimsonNuker wrote:I don't know much about this situation in Ukraine, but AFAIK...
Ukraine was going to choose between Russia or EU or some shit
President of Ukraine wanted Russia
Ukrainian people didn't want this shit; so they revolted
Ukrainian people won, president driven out
Russia says fuq dat, sends troops to southern Ukrainian peninsula where a bunch of Russians live
Am I on the right track?
Sadly no. The Crimea is mostly ethnic Russians. 58% orso. and they support russia. Russia send trooops into the Crimea to protect ethnic Russians and also to protect there navel base.
In east Ukraine there is also strong support for the Russians
Also The Crimea originally was Russian tertiary until in1954 when it was giving to Ukraine by the soviet union. Not an problem at the time because it was all part of the USSR.
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:03 pm
by CrimsonNuker
_Dutchy_ wrote:CrimsonNuker wrote:I don't know much about this situation in Ukraine, but AFAIK...
Ukraine was going to choose between Russia or EU or some shit
President of Ukraine wanted Russia
Ukrainian people didn't want this shit; so they revolted
Ukrainian people won, president driven out
Russia says fuq dat, sends troops to southern Ukrainian peninsula where a bunch of Russians live
Am I on the right track?
Sadly no. The Crimea is mostly ethnic Russians. 58% orso. and they support russia. Russia send trooops into the Crimea to protect ethnic Russians and also to protect there navel base.
In east Ukraine there is also strong support for the Russians
Also The Crimea originally was Russian tertiary until in1954 when it was giving to Ukraine by the soviet union. Not an problem at the time because it was all part of the USSR.
Ethnic Russians meaning Ukrainian born Russians?
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:19 pm
by chrisorg
_Dutchy_ wrote:CrimsonNuker wrote:I don't know much about this situation in Ukraine, but AFAIK...
Ukraine was going to choose between Russia or EU or some shit
President of Ukraine wanted Russia
Ukrainian people didn't want this shit; so they revolted
Ukrainian people won, president driven out
Russia says fuq dat, sends troops to southern Ukrainian peninsula where a bunch of Russians live
Am I on the right track?
Sadly no. The Crimea is mostly ethnic Russians. 58% orso. and they support russia.
Russia send trooops into the Crimea to protect ethnic Russians and also to protect there navel base.In east Ukraine there is also strong support for the Russians
Also The Crimea originally was Russian tertiary until in1954 when it was giving to Ukraine by the soviet union. Not an problem at the time because it was all part of the USSR.
Protect them from what? It's Russian propaganda bs.
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:47 pm
by _Dutchy_
chrisorg wrote:_Dutchy_ wrote:CrimsonNuker wrote:I don't know much about this situation in Ukraine, but AFAIK...
Ukraine was going to choose between Russia or EU or some shit
President of Ukraine wanted Russia
Ukrainian people didn't want this shit; so they revolted
Ukrainian people won, president driven out
Russia says fuq dat, sends troops to southern Ukrainian peninsula where a bunch of Russians live
Am I on the right track?
Sadly no. The Crimea is mostly ethnic Russians. 58% orso. and they support russia.
Russia send trooops into the Crimea to protect ethnic Russians and also to protect there navel base.In east Ukraine there is also strong support for the Russians
Also The Crimea originally was Russian tertiary until in1954 when it was giving to Ukraine by the soviet union. Not an problem at the time because it was all part of the USSR.
Protect them from what? It's Russian propaganda bs.
Ethnic Russians. Meaning the Russians and there offspring who lived in the Crimea before it changed hands.
Is it ? how come the day that the government changed hands a purposal was already submitted to get rid of the "second official language" of the Ukraine ? which is Russian ?
Besides, No matter what happens the Russians will get the Crimea there is no one who will stand in there way.
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:49 pm
by omier
I don't think i've ever been on Russia's side in anything. Not here either.
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:59 am
by TheDrop
Great another war the US should intervene in, especially now since Russia is our nemesis!!
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:09 am
by CrimsonNuker
Seems I was gravely misinformed
http://imgur.com/gallery/qCXlb
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:13 am
by _Dutchy_
TheDrop wrote:Great another war the US should intervene in, especially now since Russia is our nemesis!!
Situations like this are never black and white. Its all in the grey.
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:22 am
by BuDo
It is grey indeed...as with nearly everything....I can understand the continued ties the Russians living in Crimea have with their motherland and I can understand Russia being compelled to come to their aid at the sign of some ethnic turmoil, but from a technical perspective, does Russia has the right to try and forcefully (or even non-forcefully) control/influence what's happening in a territory that it gave away to the Ukraine years ago?...
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:34 am
by _Dutchy_
BuDo wrote:It is grey indeed...as with nearly everything....I can understand the continued ties the Russians living in Crimea have with their motherland and I can understand Russia being compelled to come to their aid at the sign of some ethnic turmoil, but from a technical perspective...does Russia has the right to try and forcefully (or even non-forcefully) control/influence what's happening in a territory that it gave away to the Ukraine years ago?...
Does any country have the right to intervene in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation ? no i don't think so. but the matter of the fact is. It happens all the time.
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:59 am
by BuDo
_Dutchy_ wrote:BuDo wrote:It is grey indeed...as with nearly everything....I can understand the continued ties the Russians living in Crimea have with their motherland and I can understand Russia being compelled to come to their aid at the sign of some ethnic turmoil, but from a technical perspective...does Russia has the right to try and forcefully (or even non-forcefully) control/influence what's happening in a territory that it gave away to the Ukraine years ago?...
Does any country have the right to intervene in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation ? no i don't think so. but the matter of the fact is. It happens all the time.
Well I guess under the guise of protecting their people Russia invades.... Which again technically the people they are protecting aren't Russians from a nationalistic point of view but I guess being Russian by blood is far more important....One can only hope that a compromise can be reached...
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:18 am
by Love
Meh Russia can't keep itself sane for more than 2 seconds.
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:31 am
by _Dutchy_
Love wrote:Meh Russia can't keep itself sane for more than 2 seconds.
Lol ? because the rest of the world never does shit like this ?
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:43 am
by HyperBunny
No matter how much I watch the news, which I tend to watch alot of, I don't totally understand the situation. Politics is like algebra for me and I'm super bad at algebra. I only hope somehow all of it can end without people getting hurt, dieing, sanctions, war.
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:54 am
by XesoS
Try watching CNN and then switching to RT (Russia Today) , i mean so much propaganda on both sides . Situation is still under controle , alot of political bs going on but as Dutchy said Russia will get Crimea without a fight . i fear that alot Ukranian and Tatar citizins in Crimea will beat to death
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:13 am
by Love
_Dutchy_ wrote:Love wrote:Meh Russia can't keep itself sane for more than 2 seconds.
Lol ? because the rest of the world never does shit like this ?
You read my mind brah, you're really in there.
No but seriously look at the US, they freed themselves and it took about 100 years for the ugly to reign once more. For Russia it's been around 50, yeah ....
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:18 pm
by TheDrop
Hear, a meme from reddit.
Imagine if US and Russia reach a deal where Ukraine is split from Crimea. APPEASEMENT headlines everywhere
@Dutchy: Add another shtick:
Ukraine dismantled their nuclear arsenal in 1995 (?) at the urging of Russia, UK and US, who promised Ukraine that it would be defended against any invasions.
Nevermind:
Wikipedia wrote:Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty within its existing borders.
Refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine.
Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence its politics.
Seek United Nations Security Council action if nuclear weapons are used against Ukraine.
Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Ukraine.
Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments
Jeez thats shit dealing on Ukraine's part.
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:44 pm
by _Dutchy_
I suppose the Russians will start shipping in heavy armor tonight. They just installed an S-400 Battery tonight. on the Russian coast.( Advanced AA effective range about 300KM)
also seen some reports of Zubr-class LCAC's landing in the Crimea they are capable of holding up to 3 MBT's. Either tonight or tomorrow night Russia will attack the last pockets of resistance in the Crimea
EDIT: Althoug it also could be the Ukrainians landing troops. but thats unlikely as the ocean is under Russian control
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:50 am
by CrimsonNuker
Russia issued an ultimatum for Ukraine today, im scurred.
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:45 am
by BuDo
CrimsonNuker wrote:Russia issued an ultimatum for Ukraine today, im scurred.
Whats the ultimatum?...
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:18 am
by CrimsonNuker
BuDo wrote:CrimsonNuker wrote:Russia issued an ultimatum for Ukraine today, im scurred.
Whats the ultimatum?...
I don't remember exactly, but it was something along the lines of
"Stand down by 3AM GMT (12 hours from when the ultimatum was issued), or military action will be taken."
edit:
source:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukraine-crisis ... ps-1438708
Re: Politics slash Ukraine/Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:09 am
by CrimsonNuker
Surprised there hasn't been more discussion about this, but Ukraine has just mobilized troops to Crimea.
Shit's bout to go down.