The principle of “net neutrality” was struck down by a federal appeals court on Jan. 14 – a victory for the telecom giant Verizon, which had sued the Federal Communications Commission over the agency’s broadband regulations. Since then, free-speech and consumer advocates have cried foul, saying the ruling will change the Internet as we know it and create a system of haves and have-nots. Here’s an explanation of the issues involved.
Seen this mentioned everywhere but here, I think? Anyway, what do you guys think, think the internet is really gonna get phucked?
random searched link/vid.
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:35 am
by Toshiharu
My neckbeard professor talked about this today and more or less in the end "Net neutrality isn't entirely farked."
I wasn't paying much attention since he was talking about this early in on the class and had almost relevance to networking class, but his reasoning behind it all was that the FCC has to call what the internet actually is. As is there are laws in place saying that everyone is allowed to go through your network without you getting paid which is why Verizon is butthurt about it all. "You're using my lines without paying!" However, if they rule it as something like cable tv or some shit I forgot exactly what he said, then they can sell their service as such ie breaking up into tiers of selling you what you can and cannot visit.
In reality if one company doesn't do such a thing in the area, guess whose dominant in the place?
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:28 am
by BuDo
No one wants their internet service throttled down or their data packets receiving low priority based on what they do on the web....People wont stand for this....
And also this:
Toshiharu wrote: In reality if one company doesn't do such a thing in the area, guess whose dominant in the place?
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:56 pm
by non ego man
DarkJackal wrote:Since then, free-speech and consumer advocates have cried foul...
Not really. Unleass you don't consider Reason advocates of free-speech and consumer rights:
"However well-intentioned, the practical effect [of Net Neutrality] will be to limit consumer choice and grant the federal government unprecedented power over the Internet, all in the name of fixing a problem that doesn't exist in any meaningful way. Indeed, examples of the behavior that Net Neutrality will combat are few and far between."
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:06 am
by TheDrop
^Yes, free market **** ya.
The problem arises when one company threads the way for path-blocking (or w/e its called) and the other companies follow, making it the norm. And most Americans are too busy/too lazy to bother with boycotting shit
Ofc. in a perfect world the ISP providers would just **** off and the gov't could **** off/not have a excuse, but thats not the case.
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:43 pm
by non ego man
If you're ever confused about an issue, just figure out what Mr. Drop thinks and go with the opposite. You'll always be right.
But seriously now, kids. It's bad enough that you look to government to solve every single one of your problems. Now you're actually looking to government to solve things that aren't problems; things that simply have the potential to be problems. You'll lament the world you create.
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:00 pm
by I Am Vegeta
the internet doesnt belong to the usa just saiyan
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:37 pm
by TheDrop
non ego man wrote:If you're ever confused about an issue, just figure out what Mr. Drop thinks and go with the opposite. You'll always be right.
But seriously now, kids. It's bad enough that you look to government to solve every single one of your problems. Now you're actually looking to government to solve things that aren't problems; things that simply have the potential to be problems. You'll lament the world you create.
And if you are ever confronted on your beliefs just take the non ego route of telling everyone you are a middle aged man and thus have superior knowledge of life
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:58 pm
by *BlackFox
So now... your internet provider can manipulate your access?
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:30 pm
by non ego man
TheDrop wrote:And if you are ever confronted on your beliefs just take the non ego route of telling everyone you are a middle aged man and thus have superior knowledge of life
You forgot the part about being a lawyer. I'm not only wiser, I'm smarter too, see?
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:47 pm
by CrimsonNuker
non ego man wrote:If you're ever confused about an issue, just figure out what Mr. Drop thinks and go with the opposite. You'll always be right.
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:26 pm
by TheDrop
non ego man wrote:You forgot the part about being a lawyer. I'm not only wiser, I'm smarter too, see?
Yes, of course. So go on, please explain your argument.
'Cause for some reason, I doubt that your comprehension of the subject deviates much from whats said in that Reason video
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:23 pm
by BuDo
Hey non ego man...since you're a lawyer and all shed some more light on this....If the government is allowed to regulate net neutrality can't there be some sort of transparent and ironclad agreement that only allows them to do just that and only that?....no interfering in any other affairs outside of being watch dogs since a lot of people are scared of them doing more than just regulating fairness...
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:24 pm
by non ego man
Are you thinking of an agreement between the cable/internet service providers to promise not to restrict content? Like when there were congressional hearings about the terrible influence of comic books so the publishers agreed to be bound by a new entity, the Comics Code Authority, and couldn't print stories about werewolves or vampires or show a gun on the cover or use the word "horror" in the title of a comic book?
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:43 pm
by BuDo
No I am thinking if the FCC was given control over the situation...Could they be held to a clear agreement to only oversee that alone...nothing else...no more government intervention of any sort...An agreement between ISPs and the FCC just to make sure ISPs are playing nice and not restricting content...
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:51 am
by Toshiharu
*BlackFox wrote:So now... your internet provider can manipulate your access?
Not quite. Laws are in place to allow that they cannot regulate the internet, because it seems kind of silly don't you think? You pay for your bandwidth, in which most causes it's unlimited, where you should be allowed to do anything you want. If they do somehow manage to convince the FCC that they can regulate what tier can view what then that better have unlimited bandwidth. Knowing Verizon they'd charge $20 for youtube and another for facebook while giving you a 100 gb bandwidth cap.
It all depends on how much lobbyists can pay them off.
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:06 pm
by non ego man
Short answer, no. Congress' restriction on their own authority would be unilateral. Therefore the ability to waive the restriction on authority would also be unilateral. Their authority to act in the first place is probably granted by the commerce clause.
If net neutrality looks like it is going to come to life again, I would recommend that the industry do something like the comic industry did when the heat was on them. Yes, the CCA was horrible and it took 50 years to get rid of it but at least you didn't have FBI agents reading comic books and arresting publishers for putting the word "horror" in the title of their book. Self regulate until the technology changes and then its moot.
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:34 pm
by BuDo
So its a threat to our freedom from possible government control VS a threat to our pockets from greedy corporations... Shitty.. Both sides of the net neutrality coin have valid views..
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:14 am
by TheDrop
Ah yes the elusive self-regulation
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:05 pm
by Blindfire
TJ graduate from high school, complete an undergrad and then be an argumentative asshole. You'll still be a dick but at least you'll be able to present yourself as informed. Currently the only leg you have to stand on is what you have read on the internet.
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:06 pm
by DarkJackal
Blindfire wrote:TJ graduate from high school, complete an undergrad and then be an argumentative asshole. You'll still be a dick but at least you'll be able to present yourself as informed. Currently the only leg you have to stand on is what you have read on the internet.
Whos TJ, or did you mean DJ? >.>
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:56 pm
by Aventus
This could be a good thing, you can spy,beat,and steal from the american people but mess with our netflix and all hell could break loose.
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:44 pm
by non ego man
TJ = The Drop.
And yeah, Aventis, that's the point. There are several options with service providers and with greater bandwidth on wireless, there will only be more options in the future. First company that starts choking the data on Netflix or whatever is going to lose subscribers by the boatload. Remember what happened when GoDaddy supported SOPA and PIPA? They got slammed and changed their policy.
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:46 am
by TheDrop
Blindfire wrote:TJ graduate from high school, complete an undergrad and then be an argumentative asshole. You'll still be a dick but at least you'll be able to present yourself as informed. Currently the only leg you have to stand on is what you have read on the internet.
First of all, dont throw my name around as if you know me.
Secondly, most of everything people know about net neutrality comes form the internet. Don't act like having a college degree (if you have one) suddenly makes you intelligent. And next time bother commenting on topic of the thread instead of defending your butt buddy. I shared my thoughts, nog shared his;
Re: Net neutrality
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:37 am
by non ego man
Hey qi, did you hear that? Yer now my butt buddy. Now let's see you just drop them pants...and squeal! Squeallllll!!!!
