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Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:59 am
by BuDo
As much as I don't agree with civilians arming themselves with firearms I can't argue with this one....This will make fiction proud....WARNING..GRAPHIC..
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:14 am
by Fiction
Exactly what carrying concealed is supposed to be about. Very good find, all though I don't know if I'm just desensitized to violent videos, or what, but not really graphic content.
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:22 am
by BuDo
What can I say....Dumb-ass had it coming.... Seems like he kicked the bucket with this one judging by the way he's lying all stretched out...
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:16 am
by DarkJackal
Fiction wrote:Exactly what carrying concealed is supposed to be about. Very good find, all though I don't know if I'm just desensitized to violent videos, or what, but not really graphic content.
I remember when even anime(Elfen Lied) was kinda eh for me to watch, now i've seen real beheadings and its no big deal. Was thinking this isn't graphic to me as well. Still don't want to see animals hurt tho, but people are fine.
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:18 am
by I Am Vegeta
guy keep shooting as the robber is running away...
should get jailed imo
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:31 am
by .curve
I Am Vegeta wrote:guy keep shooting as the robber is running away...
should get jailed imo
I hope this is trolling.
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:00 am
by Rawr
Though I think this chump deserved it, Vegeta did bring up a good point.
Once the other person begins to flee the case can change from self defense to murder depending on state/country laws.
Does anybody have any more info on this particular case?
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:21 am
by .curve
This robber had a gun. There's no way to know if he wasn't running back to just get a better angle and cause harm to this guy.
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:30 am
by *BlackFox
Something's fishy about this video.
Well, It seems that the victim were... expecting something.
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:03 pm
by _Dutchy_
*BlackFox wrote:Something's fishy about this video.
Well, It seems that the victim were... expecting something.
He probably saw him in the mirror.
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:55 pm
by *BlackFox
_Dutchy_ wrote:He probably saw him in the mirror.
Yeah, but before.. he got into the car.
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:32 pm
by Fiction
From what I've read, and granted, my spanish is very rusty, and google translator is just as bad... This took place in Caracas, Venezuela. The guy that comes around the corner after the first guy is another assailant. You can see in the video that he pulls his weapon. The first robber was killed at the scene, but the other one escaped. Apparently the guy had notice them pull up in their car around the corner. This is why he was being very cautious, and almost hurried(noticed he almost forgot to lock the door).
I didn't read anything about what happened to the guy defending himself, so if you wanna find out more, the incident took place behind "Iglesia de la Chiquinquirá"(church) on the date shown in the video.
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:02 pm
by Ganja
last time I saw this video people said that this happened in Brazil.
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:23 pm
by Fiction
Ganja wrote:last time I saw this video people said that this happened in Brazil.
Eh? Pretty sure if you put this '10.501162,-66.875982' in google maps, it will show you exactly where it took place.(Buddy of mine lives down there, so I know a little bit bout Caracas)
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:33 am
by I Am Vegeta
.curve wrote:This robber had a gun. There's no way to know if he wasn't running back to just get a better angle and cause harm to this guy.
i dont think he would have shot him after he ran away, guy had his gun pointing at the other at pointblank and doesnt seems like he tried to shoot the driver.
he was using his weapon as intimidation, not to murder.
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:00 am
by BuDo
I Am Vegeta wrote:.curve wrote:This robber had a gun. There's no way to know if he wasn't running back to just get a better angle and cause harm to this guy.
i dont think he would have shot him after he ran away, guy had his gun pointing at the other at pointblank and doesnt seems like he tried to shoot the driver.
he was using his weapon as intimidation, not to murder.
What idiot looking down the barrel of a gun is going to think that....Besides yourself...You better be trolling...
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:03 am
by BuDo
I think that every criminal who has every robbed somebody or think about robbing somebody should watch this video over and over and over.....I think it would benefit society....
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:16 pm
by I Am Vegeta
BuDo wrote:I Am Vegeta wrote:.curve wrote:This robber had a gun. There's no way to know if he wasn't running back to just get a better angle and cause harm to this guy.
i dont think he would have shot him after he ran away, guy had his gun pointing at the other at pointblank and doesnt seems like he tried to shoot the driver.
he was using his weapon as intimidation, not to murder.
What idiot looking down the barrel of a gun is going to think that....Besides yourself...You better be trolling...
Im the kind of guy that would probably crack jokes as someone hold a gun at my head.
"Fear is self-imposed, it doesnt exist. You create it, you can destroy it too."
- Greg Plitt
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:40 pm
by inky
@Vegeta:
Not from where I grew up and definitely not from where I live now. You'd be dead.
Fear might be self-imposed but a bullet isn't (unless you're suicidal).
I have zero problems with these lowlifes getting killed. In fact, I believe it would make the world a better place to live in if it happened once every second..maybe 20 times every second, who cares. Sadly, you do have a point as far as how the court decides what is self-defense and what is manslaughter/murder. If the guy did attempt to run away and you still shot him, it can possibly count as manslaughter. And if the court does decide on your innocence, the family of the dead piece of shit can still file a lawsuit in civil court for money.
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:06 pm
by Ganja
Fiction wrote:Ganja wrote:last time I saw this video people said that this happened in Brazil.
Eh? Pretty sure if you put this '10.501162,-66.875982' in google maps, it will show you exactly where it took place.(Buddy of mine lives down there, so I know a little bit bout Caracas)
Yeah? Well i guess it doesn't really matter.
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:30 pm
by Aventus
The guy was still by the car when he got the kill shot, I'd still consider that self defense. If he chased him down the block shooting at him thats different.
@inky - Even though I don't believe vegeta would crack a joke hes kinda right, most people aren't willing to shoot especially when they are just trying to carjack you. You think they really want the car covered in grey matter?
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:53 pm
by TheDrop
He was trying to rob someone at gunpoint, even if he was using it for intimidation or was running away, at that point you lose any sympathy for the robber.
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:40 pm
by Fiction
TheDrop wrote:He was trying to rob someone at gunpoint, even if he was using it for intimidation or was running away, at that point you lose any sympathy for the robber.
I'm gonna +1 this, just because it's the only thing I'll probably ever see i2i on with TheDrop. You cannot waste a moment sizing the guy up, or trying to think, will the stranger actually shoot me, or will he just bash my head in, if I don't hand over everything I have.
I Am Vegeta wrote:Im the kind of guy that would probably crack jokes as someone hold a gun at my head.
"Fear is self-imposed, it doesnt exist. You create it, you can destroy it too."
- Greg Plitt
Whoever said that had to be speaking on different terms, or very shallowly. Fear is a basic, or even primal emotion. This quote would be more accurate if you replaced fear with anxiety. If someone had a gun up to your face, being able to recognize what it is, you would become fearful on an almost instinctual level. You can be tough all you want, but on a subconscious level you still know a bullet through your brain will end your existence.(thus fear)
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:37 am
by BuDo
It might be possible to rid yourself of certain triggers that causes fear like getting use to having a loaded gun in your face regularly.... But I'd argue that it's near impossible to remove fear outright as that is ingrained into our psychological make up...We all fear something... Unless you're mentally deranged or a complete sociopath...
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:27 am
by Ganja
TheDrop wrote:He was trying to rob someone at gunpoint, even if he was using it for intimidation or was running away, at that point you lose any sympathy for the robber.
Just when I thought you didn't have a rational bone in your body, you post this.
Re: Score 1 for the pro gun advocates
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:46 pm
by TheDrop
Dont confuse you lack of understanding with my rationality
