Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:28 pm
by omier
So apparently a 19 year old dude from Texas is in prison (in solitary confinement I might add) for making a joke either on LoL or FB (not sure) about committing a mass shooting and hasn't had a trial.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:10 pm
by *BlackFox
It's all screwed up. But terrorist jokes.. Just aren't funny.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:18 pm
by omier
*BlackFox wrote:It's all screwed up. But terrorist jokes.. Just aren't funny.
Depends on the context, can't say this one was funny though. But everyone knows what jk means...
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:33 pm
by *BlackFox
Sanktum wrote:But everyone knows what jk means...
It seems not everyone does! xD
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:16 pm
by Ganja
Sarcasm is the lowest form of humor.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:47 pm
by TheKnight
Well, I'm not gonna say the joke was anything good but still, a prison for that? The part I don't get is that he didn't have a trial. Even rapists and murders have a trial, and someone throws out one lame joke and he is considered as a 'threat to national security'. yup, freedom and equality right there...wp USA
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:33 pm
by Ganja
Terrorist don't get trials in the good ole USA, at least not before going to prison. You make a terroristic threat you go straight to the slammer. In both the articles it does say that his trial date was set for July 1st but neither of the article have been updated so I'm guessing a sentence has not been reached.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:50 pm
by DarkJackal
This is just sad, and another reason I connect nothing of my real life on my internet usage.
Arent threats supposed to able to be carried out and said in a serious manner in order to be a threat. I hope he gets out and sues them for **** tons, and if possible the asshole who reported him. Who could look at something like that and think its serious and call authorities -.-. If everyone who threatened someone on the internet could be arrested the internet would be a quiet place.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:42 am
by Fiction
DarkJackal wrote:This is just sad, and another reason I connect nothing of my real life on my internet usage.
Arent threats supposed to able to be carried out and said in a serious manner in order to be a threat. I hope he gets out and sues them for **** tons, and if possible the asshole who reported him. Who could look at something like that and think its serious and call authorities -.-. If everyone who threatened someone on the internet could be arrested the internet would be a quiet place.
We've let our government get way out of control, all in the name of security, there probably will not be any grounds for a lawsuit. Thanks to a lot of bullshit laws passed under the last two administrations(Bush/Obama) they are now allowed to detain you for suspicious activities for an undefined amount of time. Look at them boys in git-mo(military has jurisdictions over that though)...
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:13 am
by .curve
Good, he deserves any amount of time they decide to detain him for. Not only is the joke in bad taste, but it's just unnecessary given the recent acts of terror going on.
I feel like you give up your "right to free speech" when you directly, even as a joke, threaten to incite terror.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:19 am
by antics
wasnt there a bill that passed i dont know maybe last year that gives the police power to pretty much ignore your right. if its something "big"
yea lets just throw freedom of speech out the window
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:21 am
by .curve
antics wrote:wasnt there a bill that passed i dont know maybe last year that gives the police power to pretty much ignore your right. if its something "big"
yea lets just throw freedom of speech out the window
I'm trying to remember the name of it. I think it was a little more than a year ago and I remember there being issues with habeas corpus and whatnot.
I love how you guys all like to talk about freedom of speech going out the window like threatening to go on a mass shooting spree is something completely fine to talk about.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:35 am
by Tasdik
Ganja wrote:Sarcasm is the lowest form of humor.
False.
A good sarcastic joke takes quite a bit of wit to pull off.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:39 am
by antics
.curve wrote:
antics wrote:wasnt there a bill that passed i dont know maybe last year that gives the police power to pretty much ignore your right. if its something "big"
yea lets just throw freedom of speech out the window
I'm trying to remember the name of it. I think it was a little more than a year ago and I remember there being issues with habeas corpus and whatnot.
I love how you guys all like to talk about freedom of speech going out the window like threatening to go on a mass shooting spree is something completely fine to talk about.
like repzion or w.e that guys name is. the cops shouldve gone to his house and checked up. he had no guns no violent record. they couldve put him on watch or something. not torture him for 6 months
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:53 am
by Fiction
Tasdik wrote:
Ganja wrote:Sarcasm is the lowest form of humor.
False.
A good sarcastic joke takes quite a bit of wit to pull off.
Yes. I believe slapstick to be the lowest form, but stooges pulled it off.
.curve wrote:Good, he deserves any amount of time they decide to detain him for. Not only is the joke in bad taste, but it's just unnecessary given the recent acts of terror going on.
I feel like you give up your "right to free speech" when you directly, even as a joke, threaten to incite terror.
And on the list of things to give a **** about, terrorist shouldn't even be up there... Oh damn just go look for a list of things that you're more likely to be killed by than any forum of terrorism. I'm sure falling tree limbs kill more people... How is it not obvious this is fear mongering, at least that's what we called it back when Bush was in office, now it's completely okay to give up freedom for this stupid shit.. 9/11 could have easily been prevented with the security that was in place, we didn't need to have our assholes checked every time we want to fly... of course this is a little bit of hyperbole, but still.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:39 am
by CrimsonNuker
Maybe his threat will become a reality when he does get out.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:42 am
by DarkJackal
.curve wrote:Good, he deserves any amount of time they decide to detain him for. Not only is the joke in bad taste, but it's just unnecessary given the recent acts of terror going on.
I feel like you give up your "right to free speech" when you directly, even as a joke, threaten to incite terror.
Except he didn't threaten anyone.
What about when people get mad and say they'll kill someone, or assholes in mmos who threaten you in some way or another, just to name a couple examples. Its beyond the point of should he have or not have said it, of course not, it was cruel and stupid. He's probably a dick, and has a shitty sense of humor, but there's no fathomable reason he should be arrested for it. Wheres the line? What's ok for you to say in a joking manner or simply not being serious, and what will get you arrested? What about threatening to kick someones ass? Does that make you a terrorist?
I've said i'll destroy the world a couple times here and there, I didn't even say lol or jk. Should I be arrested?
I just don't see how this can be ok especially with a possible 8 year prison sentence, when apparently actual violent crimes can have less than that.
Lets just make sarcasm illegal, then when the idiots get their panties in a twist again lets make name calling arrestable, and after that lets arrest people for looking at each other the wrong way.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:05 am
by Fiction
DarkJackal wrote:Lets just make sarcasm illegal, then when the idiots get their panties in a twist again lets make name calling arrestable, and after that lets arrest people for looking at each other the wrong way.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:25 am
by Aventus
Givin how much money is made off of the private prison system in the us I am not suprised that this happened.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:38 am
by DarkJackal
Fiction wrote:
DarkJackal wrote:Lets just make sarcasm illegal, then when the idiots get their panties in a twist again lets make name calling arrestable, and after that lets arrest people for looking at each other the wrong way.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:39 am
by inky
The terrorists and mass-murdering assholes have won. The whole idea of practicing terrorism against a group of people is to instill terror in their very core. It seems to me that terror has definitely been ingrained in the minds of these poor imbeciles; enough so that they'll go bat-shit crazy over something a guy said in a joking manner.
I do hope that I don't go to jail someday for making dead baby jokes to my friends while doing rounds in a pediatric unit.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:39 am
by inky
The terrorists and mass-murdering assholes have won. The whole idea of practicing terrorism against a group of people is to instill terror in their very core. It seems to me that terror has definitely been ingrained in the minds of these poor imbeciles; enough so that they'll go bat-shit crazy over something a guy said in a joking manner.
I do hope that I don't go to jail someday for making dead baby jokes to my friends while doing rounds in a pediatric unit.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:41 am
by BuDo
As leaders of the free world this is awesome.... I thought silencing/censoring and jailing people for freedom of expression was something that only happens in places like china...
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:47 am
by MrTwilliger
As much as I hate toxic players who ruin my League of Legends experience, I do believe this is going just a bit over the top. Just give him a 72 hour ban and be done with it >__>
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:16 am
by Bartic
.curve wrote:I love how you guys all like to talk about freedom of speech going out the window like threatening to go on a mass shooting spree is something completely fine to talk about.
If it was a threat and not a motherfucking joke, then it would be ok.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:38 am
by omier
They should pay this guy fucking millions (because money compensates for everything these days) for Farking up his life. That bitch who reported him is probably an ignorant cunt who only follows mainstream media and also thinks that video games are linked to terrorism. Way to go mainstream media, your scaring tactics have worked.
DarkJackal wrote: What about threatening to kick someones ass? Does that make you a terrorist?
If you did that and someone called the cops on you, they'd probably get something like "but he didn't do anything to you" but if you said you wanted to kill Obama, you'd go straight to jail.
Looking at what has happened lately, it seems they are not even trying to show that this is a democracy any more, they won't admit or say anything though, they let their actions speak for themselves.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:14 pm
by heroo
Good, I hope he learns his lesson. He should not make these jokes, of which we all know are not jokes and are only meant to provoke the police or trigger something. I'm glad the government is taking threats like these seriously for our sake. I hope the retard stays in jail even longer. He can laugh his ass off in there.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:56 pm
by *BlackFox
Bartic wrote:
.curve wrote:I love how you guys all like to talk about freedom of speech going out the window like threatening to go on a mass shooting spree is something completely fine to talk about.
If it was a threat and not a motherfucking joke, then it would be ok.
He shouldn't have joked about it. But threats may be REAL... even if it may Just be a joke? Well, all threats need to be taken serious... until proven stupid!
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:06 pm
by Fiction
*BlackFox wrote:
Bartic wrote:
.curve wrote:I love how you guys all like to talk about freedom of speech going out the window like threatening to go on a mass shooting spree is something completely fine to talk about.
If it was a threat and not a motherfucking joke, then it would be ok.
He shouldn't have joked about it. But threats may be REAL... even if it may Just be a joke? Well, all threats need to be taken serious... until proven stupid!
Obviously they don't... This would just make us even more of a police state. People say things in haste all the time, we don't need to put them in jail for it. We can take a look back in history and see where this leads.
Re: Freedom of speech = solitary confinement without trial
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:40 pm
by TheKnight
heroo wrote:Good, I hope he learns his lesson. He should not make these jokes, of which we all know are not jokes and are only meant to provoke the police or trigger something. I'm glad the government is taking threats like these seriously for our sake. I hope the retard stays in jail even longer. He can laugh his ass off in there.
I agree that he should get some form on punishment, maybe pay a fine or something, but it's just absurd that someone gets thrown in jail for something that he said, no questions asked. If he doesn't die in there whats gonna happen when he gets out after, lets say 6 years? He lost years of his life that he could have been using for lets say getting a good education and a job. His life ruined and he remains an outcast, and as many people think he probably agrees that he went in the jail for technically no reason, now that's a pretty good reason to actually blow something up.
