16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:36 am
by BuDo
Extreme laws in the great USofA... Don't know the details behind her crime but at that impressionable age (11 years old) while being under the thumb of a conniving and abusive pimp she can't be completely in the wrong..can she?...... Maybe 15-20 years would be adequate for murder...not life.. This judge have a soft spot for pimps?..for abusers?...
Either way I don't know much about the law but I think law making should not be left up to a few people who call themselves law makers...We need a very wide body that includes the public to help make decisions on how severe laws should be... If random members of public are good enough to sit on a jury then random members of the public can vote on the severity of some of our laws...
I saw a documentary of a guy in Utah who got 25 years in prison for going into some other guy's house and punch him in the face over a girl....25 years for trespassing and throwing a punch..lolol jesus.. and the guy he punch was fine.... just a bruised pride....
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:47 am
by MrTwilliger
BuDo wrote:Either way I don't know much about the law
Really? You don't say. Wow, I thought your incredibly unbiased and uneducated opinion was based upon your years of experience in legislation creation and implementation. Wow you really could have fooled me.
But now that you admit that you know nothing, why bother adding in your thoughts? You just admitted you are uneducated, so why on earth would I pay any mind to your opinions? I'll let you ponder on that one for a minute.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:04 am
by Skyve
Uneducated on the subject*
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:28 am
by John_Doe
Is hatin on USA flavor of the month?
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:34 am
by Love
Nah, just a constant like gravity.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:45 am
by Mirosuke
Her life barely started and she will spend the rest of her life in prison... The judge literally killed this girl.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:49 am
by Fury
MrTwilliger wrote:
BuDo wrote:Either way I don't know much about the law
Really? You don't say. Wow, I thought your incredibly unbiased and uneducated opinion was based upon your years of experience in legislation creation and implementation. Wow you really could have fooled me.
But now that you admit that you know nothing, why bother adding in your thoughts? You just admitted you are uneducated, so why on earth would I pay any mind to your opinions? I'll let you ponder on that one for a minute.
Calm down charlie brown
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:27 pm
by omier
Damn, shit is outdated.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:27 pm
by *BlackFox
Sara Kruzan grew up in an abusive home with a mother who was addicted to drugs. At the age of 11, she met a 31 year old man known as "G.G". He began to groom her for a life of prostitution. He raped her at the age of 13. Shortly after, she began to work as a prostitute for him. For three years, he served as her pimp.
Such a creep... Just saying
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:49 pm
by link2113
MrTwilliger wrote:
BuDo wrote:Either way I don't know much about the law
Really? You don't say. Wow, I thought your incredibly unbiased and uneducated opinion was based upon your years of experience in legislation creation and implementation. Wow you really could have fooled me.
But now that you admit that you know nothing, why bother adding in your thoughts? You just admitted you are uneducated, so why on earth would I pay any mind to your opinions? I'll let you ponder on that one for a minute.
haha jesus! settle down friend.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:06 pm
by BuDo
MrTwilliger wrote:
BuDo wrote:Either way I don't know much about the law
Really? You don't say. Wow, I thought your incredibly unbiased and uneducated opinion was based upon your years of experience in legislation creation and implementation. Wow you really could have fooled me.
But now that you admit that you know nothing, why bother adding in your thoughts? You just admitted you are uneducated, so why on earth would I pay any mind to your opinions? I'll let you ponder on that one for a minute.
I think you need to change your maxi pad and take some pain killers....It's just my opinion I was stating...not a fact... And I don't have a problem saying I don't know something...Don't chop off my head because of it....It's also interesting that you pay this much attention to my uneducated opinion...
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:22 pm
by omier
Wasn't expecting such a response from Mr Twigz tbh.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:50 pm
by *BlackFox
Maybe... he's Just having a bad day.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:56 pm
by heroo
MrTwilliger wrote:
BuDo wrote:Either way I don't know much about the law
Really? You don't say. Wow, I thought your incredibly unbiased and uneducated opinion was based upon your years of experience in legislation creation and implementation. Wow you really could have fooled me.
But now that you admit that you know nothing, why bother adding in your thoughts? You just admitted you are uneducated, so why on earth would I pay any mind to your opinions? I'll let you ponder on that one for a minute.
Unless your post contributes in any way to this discussion, I suggest you shut your mouth next time as well. You accuse him of knowing nothing about this subject and therefor imply that you do know something about it. Well enlighten us, mister lawyer. Share with us your educated thoughts so we can pay mind to your opinions.
OT: Ridiculous sentences are a logical consequence of a privatized jailsystem.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:16 pm
by Miguez
I usually quite enjoy reading Budo's posts, he shares his honest opinion and doesn't try to impose it on others, I see no need to be so aggressive...
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:44 pm
by Bartic
Yep, that was unexpected from MrTwilliger.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:52 pm
by MrTwilliger
Sorry about being a bit of a dick, tired, grumpy, eh.
All in all what I probably should have said is that I trust the judgement of a Judge more than I do that of most people. I also believe it's ludicrous to allow the very day man to be the maker of laws. I spend all day arguing with my racist co-workers that re-implementing the White Australia Policy would be the literal death of Australia. Now imagine if we gave these people some actual legislative power? >_>
I'm sure there's much more to this story than meets the eye. Judge's just don't go giving out life sentences for no apparent reason. I value their educated, experiences opinions over that of the every day man. I don't think giving control to the public will resolve cases like this, all it will do is allow the media (the main source of the every day mans facts) even more influence.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:46 pm
by BuDo
So you must hate having the common man that comprises a jury... making a huge impact in deciding the fate of people on trial..
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:20 am
by William-CL
John_Doe wrote:Is hatin on USA flavor of the month?
We are pretty fucked up over here. Our Laws are either unenforced, or over enforced.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:36 am
by John_Doe
William-CL wrote:
John_Doe wrote:Is hatin on USA flavor of the month?
We are pretty fucked up over here. Our Laws are either unenforced, or over enforced.
Than I go look what North K. is doing and go hmmm its not that bad.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:41 am
by Fiction
MrTwilliger wrote:Sorry about being a bit of a dick, tired, grumpy, eh.
All in all what I probably should have said is that I trust the judgement of a Judge more than I do that of most people. I also believe it's ludicrous to allow the very day man to be the maker of laws. I spend all day arguing with my racist co-workers that re-implementing the White Australia Policy would be the literal death of Australia. Now imagine if we gave these people some actual legislative power? >_>
I'm sure there's much more to this story than meets the eye. Judge's just don't go giving out life sentences for no apparent reason. I value their educated, experiences opinions over that of the every day man. I don't think giving control to the public will resolve cases like this, all it will do is allow the media (the main source of the every day mans facts) even more influence.
I'm a little iffy on what capacity you trust a judge over anyone else, but they are just as biased as anyone else. The only difference is they're more educated on the judicial system. Still there are countless judges throughout this country that make bad judgements(which cost innocent ppl their lives), and are racist, bigots, liars, cheats, etc. Some even make lawyers look good. Anyways, point is, I wouldn't trust a criminal law judge anymore than anyone else when it comes to sending my ass to the sammer or not.
BuDo wrote:So you must hate having the common man that comprises a jury... making a huge impact in deciding the fate of people on trial..
lol Cream of the crop there... You know you're special when you can't get out of jury duty. Aww Casey Anthony loves her some jury trials!
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:26 am
by heroo
If she really killed the person who was exploiting her sexually and was abusing her, then there is no way any judge on this planet can justify a life long sentence without parole. But judges aren't the real problem, it's that completely and utterly retarded jury trial. Letting normal biased people decide whether or not a person is guilty? It is by far the biggest flaw in modern western legal systems.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:33 am
by BuDo
When it comes to these matters I believe in a society that exhibit a good deal of transparency in its processes and encourages the common person to become involved (to gain some understanding or awareness) and not leave everything up to the educated elite simply because they're more educated.... Being highly educated doesn't necessarily mean you are smart, wise, unbiased or that you know what is best for the populace...
Not saying we don't need educated people making informed, rational and unbiased decisions....because we do...I just think we need lots more of them of different persuasions keeping eyes on the rest of them who are in positions of influence...Some carefully select group decided on the severity upon which a person can be sentenced for murder giving this judge (who is susceptible to being biased) the free range to go all out...
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:10 am
by inky
Criminals in the US are seen as valued members of the community despite the fact that all they do is terrorize law-abiding tax payers and suck money out of their pockets via welfare, EBT, medicaid, and unemployment checks. Oh, and did I mention the ONLY REASON why I never signed up as an organ donor is because criminals are eligible to receive organ transplants that is paid-for by the people's tax money as long as they're in prison? As long as that law is there, there is no way I will ever sign up as a donor.
It's ridiculous that you have to worry about serving time in prison for defending yourself because you might be seen as using "excessive force" if you end up killing or crippling someone who tries to mug you on the street or rob you in your home. I still have yet to hear a compelling argument as to why it should be illegal to kill these people. It's not as if society benefits from having them around; in fact, it's actually quite the opposite.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:20 am
by Bartic
John_Doe wrote:
William-CL wrote:
John_Doe wrote:Is hatin on USA flavor of the month?
We are pretty fucked up over here. Our Laws are either unenforced, or over enforced.
Than I go look what North K. is doing and go hmmm its not that bad.
Yeah, compare yourselfs with the worst ones out there.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:09 am
by omier
John_Doe wrote:
William-CL wrote:
John_Doe wrote:Is hatin on USA flavor of the month?
We are pretty fucked up over here. Our Laws are either unenforced, or over enforced.
Than I go look what North K. is doing and go hmmm its not that bad.
That's probably what a lot of governments do. As long as there are people worse than us, it's not necessary to change anything.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:56 pm
by John_Doe
Sanktum wrote:
John_Doe wrote:
William-CL wrote:We are pretty fucked up over here. Our Laws are either unenforced, or over enforced.
Than I go look what North K. is doing and go hmmm its not that bad.
That's probably what a lot of governments do. As long as there are people worse than us, it's not necessary to change anything.
Don't know what your talking bout, whether local or federal the governments always trying to change something whether good or bad. Getting a lot of 1st world problem vibes from alot of people posting lately.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:51 pm
by omier
^Yeah it's either they're not doing anything or they're trying to do something just for the sake of doing it. I live in the "1st world" so that's where the problems are that I complain about.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:23 pm
by Blindfire
They should just record the trial, edit out the stuff that the jury is supposed to magically forget and condense it to just presentation of evidence and witness/expert statements. Closing arguments too I guess but those are usually just a lawyer showing how big their nads are(figuratively). Put 20 registered voters in a room, show them the tape, ask them to give a verdict.
Re: 16 yr old kill her abusive pimp & get life without parole...
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:44 pm
by BuDo
Would be interesting to see a justice system that uses a team of experienced individuals dedicating their time and effort to finding and establishing facts and not being on anyone’s side.... Might be better than having two lawyers trying to out argue each other with semantics, twists and "spin" where it seems a lot of emphasis is placed on winning a court case rather than finding justice...
