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While I realize it's early, at the moment, who would you American's vote for President? Romney or Obama?

I already have a fairly good idea where most of you stand. But I'm curious nonetheless.

P.S. If you're not American, don't vote.

Not American, voted.

I'm not American, but I was I'd vote Obama. 4 years are too short for any president to really achieve what he wants. And he didn't do that bad the past 4 years. Also I Romney is pretty vague to say the least. He dodges almost all questions. I don't know what expect from the guy.

But what really disturbs me is the amount of money that is spent on the campaign. That money is coming from people and those people want something in return for it. It's like the old Roman politics, where political functions are merely for the elite and money decides the winner. The elections are bought.

Romney wants high class people to be less taxed and middle class to be more. **** him. And he also uses banks outside the U.S. to avoid taxes, doesn't support gays, etc.

Don't want Romney as pres at all.

obama i feel has disappointed people a bit in the US however at least he has more common sense then romney. Romney will win on money not on his knowledge and relations thats for sure.

i voted and i live in the uk but i have an american girlfriend and plan to move to america

Deadfear wrote:doesn't support gays

Is it a bad thing?

Romney is worse than Obama.
Then again I didn't register to vote and don't plan to until I start reading up on my politics - which I should probably should start doing.

Shomari wrote:Romney is worse than Obama.
Then again I didn't register to vote and don't plan to until I start reading up on my politics - which I should probably should start doing.

Same here. I don't know where to start though. Or what is actually important to know

penfold1992 wrote:Romney will win on money not on his knowledge and relations thats for sure

+1
Well, a president should have the courage, knowledge, being loyal with his follower
and ability to admit it when they "screwed up" instead of parsing out blame and making excuses.

I think its obvious who that 1vote for romney is lol!
its interesting Romney doesnt want to show more of his tax records, i'm guessing 'cause it goes the exact opposite of his thinking that the rich are taxed too much.

I wanted Ron Paul but now I am stuck with Obama and Romney. *is not voting anymore*

One question... How is Romney worse than Obama? Without using hearsay and leftist "talking points" that have as much standing in reality as Obama's PDF birth certificate..

When it comes down to it, both are for more Government intervention into every day life, both want to continue military action in several different countries around the world, both want to continue government spending on failed social programs, and both have as much in common with the average voter as the prime mister of Russia...

To talk down Romney on anything is like a double slap for Obama. Go look at every single election Obama has run in... His campaign has the dirtiest and most hypocritical tactics. He's pretty much won by default. Then you bring up Romney's taxes(of course because you know what filing taxes are like when you make millions a year, simple as turbo tax...) But you don't even question all the stuff Obama has bent over backward to keep the public from being able to see. Just write it off as being irrelevant, because he promised to pay your house payment. Yada Yada Yada, you can go on and on, not to mention what a failure his presidency has been for the last 4 years(I know. It's Bush's fault.{If you really want to blame somebody for the recession, might check up on what Barney and Dodd's part in the business was back then and what they're doing today). Eh... There's just too much to write on all the issues with Obama and this horrible (Nixon-like) administration.

BUT! I don't hate on you if you're for Obama, it really is only natural. The media is the gap between Government and the people, and it's pretty much left leaning, so any information you get to make a decision on is going to be biased(or Fox right leaning, but most internet outlets will be left)

I'm with Amarisa though, F this shyt! I'm gonna put my passport to good use. If I'm gonna get socialism, I'm going to do it in a country where everyone that can contribute, does contribute.

Romney said during his 2008 presidential campaign,

[M]y view on marriage has been entirely consistent over my political career. And that is that I oppose same-sex marriage. I also oppose civil unions . . . ever since [same-sex marriage] became a prominent [feature] in my state, with the decision of the Supreme Judicial Court, I have taken every action that I could conceive of within the bounds of the law to defend traditional marriage and to stop same-sex marriage . . . I've been to Washington to testify in favor of traditional marriage. I've written a letter to every U.S. senator on the topic . . . I believe that traditional marriage is right for the nurturing and development of children, but that I do not want to discriminate against gay people in employment or housing or other parts of their life.

We're all equal! Some are just more equal than others mkay!

Amarisa wrote:I wanted Ron Paul but now I am stuck with Obama and Romney. *is not voting anymore*

Ron Paul was a bad politician... he told the truth too much.

obama may have used dirty tactics in elections but so does everyone else. who cares about his birthplace race or religion all that matters is if he knows his stuff and doesnt crack under pressure and i think he has shown that.

but from a country that elected Bush 3 times.... not much to say

Has anyone seen that south park episode where the school has to vote between a turd sandwich and a giant douche? Well yeh same thing. Doesnt matter who is in charge...the whole voting is to make you think you have power to chose your president but it really counts for shit all. The president is just a puppet anyway. There are people telling him what to do and say.

i was just about to hang myself from the ceiling fan while reading my way down this thread and then.. fiction.

how many of you non-americans actually keep up with american politics? just wondering. and the "WELL i don't know much about politics but X is totally better than Y." wait, what?

People in here need to get off their high horse.

iSinnnn wrote:i was just about to hang myself from the ceiling fan while reading my way down this thread and then.. fiction.

how many of you non-americans actually keep up with american politics? just wondering. and the "WELL i don't know much about politics but X is totally better than Y." wait, what?

In most countries, especially European countries, the American Elections are covered pretty well. Here in Holland we even got a special show about the american elections. The elections have an effect on the whole world as ofcourse the U.S. is the leading nation in the world.

Ofcourse there's not as much coverage as in the U.S., but atleast here it's somewhat objective

penfold1992 wrote:

Amarisa wrote:I wanted Ron Paul but now I am stuck with Obama and Romney. *is not voting anymore*

Ron Paul was a bad politician... he told the truth too much.

obama may have used dirty tactics in elections but so does everyone else. who cares about his birthplace race or religion all that matters is if he knows his stuff and doesnt crack under pressure and i think he has shown that.

but from a country that elected Bush 3 times.... not much to say

That is why I liked him, if being a politician is to lie and hide the truth then I am glad ron paul wasn't a good one. I want to know the truth, we live in an age where most people are educated and can read. We don't need people to throw us under the bus and say what is best for us. Back in the day yes you needed that because only the rich could read.

If this continues I'm heading to the boarder and not coming back.

I will vote for Obama.

I'm left, but I try to be as realistic as I can, so in some cases I do support right wing issues. I just have a hard time why people can't be more in the middle...it's the goldilocks effect.

I honestly don't think I will vote for any of them.

Fiction wrote:His campaign has the dirtiest and most hypocritical tactics.

Well, It's not the first time "dirty tactics are used".. and wont be the last
But a weak opponent is always easier to defeat. Don't you think so?

*BlackFox wrote:I honestly don't think I will vote for any of them.

Fiction wrote:His campaign has the dirtiest and most hypocritical tactics.

Well, It's not the first time "dirty tactics are used".. and wont be the last
But a weak opponent is always easier to defeat. Don't you think so?

Obvious statement is Obvious? When you're running on a platform of, "Hope & Change"-"Yes we can" and you run your campaign like a typical 'backroom deal, elitist' i.e Chicago politician, there is just such a level of hypocrisy that truthfully seems too far.

This biggest disappointment of his entire term of president -I don't care what you wanted him to accomplish- is the fact this country is far more polarized today than it was, even in the days of McCarthyism. This guy was supposed to transcend racial boundaries, instead he treads on them, to race bait... He hasn't help any in so called "gay rights", He's just caused more division and hatred. In my belief, the federal government shouldn't even be involved in making moral decision in the first place, let the states decide, but I digress. Eh, I could go on and on about all the broken promises.

From my stand point, being a father, home owner, and a productive member of this American society, I can tell you now, he has not made my life any easier. Granted, I'm a firm believer that the federal government should have the least interference in one's day to day life, out of the three levels of government.

To help you understand where I'm coming from... Almost all my cost of living expenses have significantly rose under his administration. Everything from: gas,groceries,medical/home/life/car insurance,other medical expenses, and property tax(of course not naming everything). Then you have my employer, which have their own cost of living expenses, and so on. So now I'm feeling the heat getting hotter at home and at work, thanks to this administration's ridiculous way of micro managing shit they shouldn't even have their noses in.(yes started way before Obama, but it's getting a hell of a lot worse now.)

Now I bust my ass to make a decent wage. I do not, by any stretch of the imagination, live outside of my means. I bought -out right- every car or truck I've had/have. I made damn sure I could afford the house I was about to make a 15 year commitment to. I still am able to keep a savings for my daughter's college. I didn't go out and buy a home I couldn't afford, or a 50 thousand dollar car, because I was raised with the understanding, you have to earn the things you want in life. I was born poor, but I didn't want to eat rice and beans my whole life, so instead of going to the nearest welfare office, I started working when I was 13. I didn't do drugs or drink in high school because I knew that's money I had to use to pay my rent or car insurance. So when I go to the grocery store, and I see a women with 4 kids using food stamps to pay for the junk food she's buying her bratty kids that are misbehaved, while she's texting on her brand new Iphone with her designer purse and $200 Oakely sunglasses, then loads the groceries into her 40k SUV... Well lets just say, it tends to make me rethink, this bullshit of us all being in it together.(yes true story, and just one example)

So when Mr. Obama proposes that he's going to redistribute the wealth, I cringe, because I see how that plays out in the real world, just on the scale of socialism we have in play today. Can't wait till I get to pay the bills for the dead beat meth head down the street! And I get it, some make the argument, it "works" for Europe and Canada, well -last I checked- they aren't America.

Blah Blah Blah. I know, who gives a shit.. It's politics, and I know typing on this forum doesn't really add up to even a speck of fly shit on a cow turd, but these policies still have an effect on my life, and I'm passionate when it comes to discussing these issues and ideas.

Final note, I wouldn't vote for either, but if I had to choose whose going to be bending me over, at least Romney has been successful in his life, and I can image he's made it using more honest strategies than 90% of Congress. I really wouldn't mind if an Obama supporter would explain to me, some of the thing's that he's done or things that have happened under his admin, that have actually really benefited your life.

-Edit- Just saw this and wanted to give a word.

heroo wrote:But what really disturbs me is the amount of money that is spent on the campaign. That money is coming from people and those people want something in return for it. It's like the old Roman politics, where political functions are merely for the elite and money decides the winner. The elections are bought.

For one, anyone wanting to talk about money being unfair in an election has forgotten an election that took place, oh say about 4 years ago. Didn't seem so "unfair" back then. Any who, the fact is, he's spending his own money, and money which people have willingly given him. The same is not true when talking about Obama's wealth redistribution policies and bailouts. If I'm correct, over half the country wasn't willfully open to these "investments". BUT!! -/sarcastically- YEAH, be disturbed by this single fact, because it's a drop in the bucket.

-Edit- I've got a couple minutes, what I can't go on?

*BlackFox wrote:Well, a president should have the courage, knowledge, being loyal with his follower
and ability to admit it when they "screwed up" instead of parsing out blame and making excuses.

I guess OWS occurred because the president was loyal to his followers? As for the rest, the only thing he's ever done is blame Bush, and use hypotheticals to say, "well it would have been a lot worse if we hadn't done this or we hadn't done that." yet there aren't any facts to back his claims. Really the only way he's made America better is, it's not "hypothetically" in a fallout situation. lol

[To the uber Obama fans]I'm not arguing with you to call you names or say you're stupid. I'm just saying, you might want to start being a little more objective and not so easily fooled by all the so called "good deeds" Mr. Obama has done, and it's not to say his opponent is any better. Just be more open to seeing both sides of the story from a more unbiased view. (Not saying to be like me and dislike both candidates, but if it happens, what the hey! lol)

Well I've said it back then and I'm saying it right now. I think we even had a discussion about that back in '08. When two candidates from the same party (obama/hillary) spend hundreds of millions of dollars just to determine who becomes the candidate for their party, you know something must be wrong. The moment money decides your chances of winning an election or getting nominated, politics have become for the elite.

heroo wrote:Well I've said it back then and I'm saying it right now. I think we even had a discussion about that back in '08. When two candidates from the same party (obama/hillary) spend hundreds of millions of dollars just to determine who becomes the candidate for their party, you know something must be wrong. The moment money decides your chances of winning an election or getting nominated, politics have become for the elite.

Join the club brother! Money is what makes the world go round and it doesn't change in the realm of politics, not even on the most local levels. It's something that you have to accept if you believe there is a need for a state(government).

isnt the use of "money" a dirty tactic to win elections?

ALL POLITICIANS ARE GUILTY!
its like in the uk... all the top politicians are private schooled kids whos parents were upper class to begin with

penfold1992 wrote:isnt the use of "money" a dirty tactic to win elections?

ALL POLITICIANS ARE GUILTY!
its like in the uk... all the top politicians are private schooled kids whos parents were upper class to begin with

No. The use of money is what it takes to run a campaign. You can't get your word out to 300 million people in 50 different states without spending money. However, how you decide to put your campaign funds to use can determine if it's a dirty tactic or not. Like running false ads or paying off union leaders, and such.

This would be an example of money well spent.


And, yes I'd expect that much out of the U.K. but here in America, you can go from having nothing, and working your way up to the top.(Take Obama for example) That "was" kinda America's thing..

Fiction wrote:Eh, I could go on and on about all the broken promises.

This really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, Because.. they Just "can't" keep any promise.

I really hate to join in on the political debate...but really?

You expect Obama, not even President for four years yet, to fix what Bush and his congress messed up in 7 1/2 years (congress finally become liberal towards the end, but it was too late.) We would be lucky if any human could fix it in 8 years. Yet if we elect Romney, we're just going to end up back in the situation we were in and the progress will be reversed.

Now I admit liberals don't have the right solutions for everything, but when people are still denying climate change, fracturing doesn't cause damage, evolution, and much much more, how could you let them represent you. The people are about money, not you, not me, but money and even liberals are guilty of this. I'd rather have a congress full of tree hugging hippies than money hungry tycoons.

Gaige, do you even know what caused this "situation" we're in? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't private corporations, and it wasn't conservative ideology. It was closer to a couple liberals that thought everyone was entitled to a nice house, even if they didn't earn it. Then you learn what an artificial bubble looks like when it collapse... Guess what, you wanna know what those liberals chose to do, instead of manning up to their mistake, they blamed the banks... Which is almost laughable seeing as the banks are just about as much a part of the government now as the judicial branch is...

From a liberal stand point, what makes Obama's administration any different than what was coming out of the Bush's administration? The same kind of big government social programs were spawning, the same kind of needless wars, and the same kind of invasive policies. If you believed we weren't progressive back eight years ago, just because the president had an 'R' in front of his name, you probably weren't paying close attention or too ignorant to see.

I've yet to see how taking money from a man who has earned it, and giving it to someone who hasn't done a damn thing to deserve it, has benefited this nation. When your mind set is, make the rich look like bad people just because they have money, and insight class warfare, you're bordering on some Marxist beliefs. In reality, the government is more at fault for the inequality, so it uses the rich as a scapegoat to insure they maintain face.

Gaigemasta wrote:You expect Obama, not even President for four years yet, to fix what Bush and his congress messed up in 7 1/2 years (congress finally become liberal towards the end, but it was too late.) We would be lucky if any human could fix it in 8 years. Yet if we elect Romney, we're just going to end up back in the situation we were in and the progress will be reversed.

I honestly don't expect much from Obama, never have never will. I do however, expect the President and congress of the United States to abide by the constitution, and represent the people of this country, but for decades they've wipe their ass with the constitution and spit in the public's face. To say Romney, being a more capitalist & conservative guy, would some how take us back to a situation that was created by progressive ideas to began with, well that's just ignorant. In closing, NO, I don't believe using the same big spending strategies, from the last administration that caused the problem, would fixed the problem in 3 1/2 years... Pure ignorance of the whole situation at hand. It's only going to continue to get worse the more the progressives decide to play with people's lives.