For my study (International Relations) we're writing a position paper. Right now I'm thinking about writing on Israeli prisoner exchanges with Hamas. More specifically this case. This case was in the news a while back, but in case you missed it (and the article is tl;dr) I'll summarize quickly: Israel exchanged 1027 convincted prisoners with hamas (and others) for the return of one soldier. 280 of these prisoners were serving a life sentence, and all of the prisoners combined have caused the death of 569 Israeli civilians.
Now I'm not coming to you for homework help, but I did think it was really interesting and am curious to know how you guys feel about it? What position do you take?
I heard about this case some time ago, Well i never really had respect for Israel and in all seriouness if they killed ~500, Israel already killed thousands of their families, so no pity there for Israel.
So in the first week in college i went with jeans and the pajama's shirt. Didn't notice what i was wearing till after i returned home.
So because Israel has 'killed thousands', innocent Israeli civilians have to make peace with the fact that the murderers of their family members will go free for one soldier? Or is there no such thing as an innocent Israeli?
The Invisible wrote:I heard about this case some time ago, Well i never really had respect for Israel and in all seriouness if they killed ~500, Israel already killed thousands of their families, so no pity there for Israel.
woutR wrote:So because Israel has 'killed thousands', innocent Israeli civilians have to make peace with the fact that the murderers of their family members will go free for one soldier? Or is there no such thing as an innocent Israeli?
Quite sure that the government of Israel knew what they were doing when they accepted that exchange and how would the families know btw? I highly doubt that a list with the name of the "prisoners" was released in public.
I don't hate an Israeli for being an Israeli, i hate them because of what they did and their Zionist thinking.
So in the first week in college i went with jeans and the pajama's shirt. Didn't notice what i was wearing till after i returned home.
I think they should have never gone throug with the exchange is a sign of weakness and for that alone they might try to kidnap more soldiers. Not to mention the fact that some of the poeple were terrorists and responsible for the death of 1 or more civilian's and soldiers
Being an Israeli citizen and currently living in Israel i dont think Israel shouldn't have done the trade. For one they did save life of one soldier but at the same time they release hundreds of terrorist that will without a doubt kill a lot more then 1 person. Aslo what Dutchy said, it shows weakness and will only motivate them to kidnap more soldiers. A lot of the people that were for the trade said that Israel needed to do the trade to show our soldiers that Israel will do anything to protect them and get them home safe. Now this is very true but only up to a certain extent. I think it was 3 or 6 months after Gilad was captured Israel had info on where he was being held but refused to send a rescue op due to a similar situation years ago where the capture soldier was killed in crossfire and a few of the ops members died as well. I think they should have sent the rescue op while they had the chance and taken the risk of casualties rather then take the risk of letting all those terrorists go.
Dont get me wrong though i am extremely happy for the Shalit family and for Gilad himself that he is finally home but i dont think the trade should have happened. I can say without a doubt if i was captured in the Israeli army or the American army i would rather stay captured then let hundreds of terrorists go free.
cbkilla wrote:Being an Israeli citizen and currently living in Israel i dont think Israel shouldn't have done the trade. For one they did save life of one soldier but at the same time they release hundreds of terrorist that will without a doubt kill a lot more then 1 person. Aslo what Dutchy said, it shows weakness and will only motivate them to kidnap more soldiers. A lot of the people that were for the trade said that Israel needed to do the trade to show our soldiers that Israel will do anything to protect them and get them home safe. Now this is very true but only up to a certain extent. I think it was 3 or 6 months after Gilad was captured Israel had info on where he was being held but refused to send a rescue op due to a similar situation years ago where the capture soldier was killed in crossfire and a few of the ops members died as well. I think they should have sent the rescue op while they had the chance and taken the risk of casualties rather then take the risk of letting all those terrorists go.
Dont get me wrong though i am extremely happy for the Shalit family and for Gilad himself that he is finally home but i dont think the trade should have happened. I can say without a doubt if i was captured in the Israeli army or the American army i would rather stay captured then let hundreds of terrorists go free.
What about the 100's of prisoners who were in prison for petty crimes? Lets be honest, half if not most of those prisoners were in there for petty crimes, the people in there for killing other though should have stayed, but many people didn't deserve to be there. But lets look at it this way, how do you feel about the families of the people who's land is being occupied?
cbkilla wrote:Being an Israeli citizen and currently living in Israel i dont think Israel shouldn't have done the trade. For one they did save life of one soldier but at the same time they release hundreds of terrorist that will without a doubt kill a lot more then 1 person. Aslo what Dutchy said, it shows weakness and will only motivate them to kidnap more soldiers. A lot of the people that were for the trade said that Israel needed to do the trade to show our soldiers that Israel will do anything to protect them and get them home safe. Now this is very true but only up to a certain extent. I think it was 3 or 6 months after Gilad was captured Israel had info on where he was being held but refused to send a rescue op due to a similar situation years ago where the capture soldier was killed in crossfire and a few of the ops members died as well. I think they should have sent the rescue op while they had the chance and taken the risk of casualties rather then take the risk of letting all those terrorists go.
Dont get me wrong though i am extremely happy for the Shalit family and for Gilad himself that he is finally home but i dont think the trade should have happened. I can say without a doubt if i was captured in the Israeli army or the American army i would rather stay captured then let hundreds of terrorists go free.
What about the 100's of prisoners who were in prison for petty crimes? Lets be honest, half if not most of those prisoners were in there for petty crimes, the people in there for killing other though should have stayed, but many people didn't deserve to be there. But lets look at it this way, how do you feel about the families of the people who's land is being occupied?
How would you feel if Your entire neighborhoud would scream they will kill you untill the last person and your neighbours throwing handgrenade's in your backyard. And when you do something back the world blames you for everything.
Hmmm i smell ZIONISM and propaganda here.Hamas surely is a terrorist organisation and they killed innocent people in israel but also Israel killed many innocent palestinians too.
I have nothing to say if you want to make a propaganda here but as a human being i will never forget that beach.I still remembering that day.Fathers shield their children to protect them .No1 is innocent on this matter.
I pick no sides here; both parties participated in the killing of civilians. Both sides have their own reasons and although Israelis are the "good guys" (says the Western powers), the history between Palestine and Israel certainly leaves a lot of room for speculation on who truly is at fault (hint: it's the people who dumped all the Jews to ex-Palestinian territory).
Looking at it from a strategical standpoint - it's a horrible deal. It's a PR decision on Israel's part that leaves them in a bad place, whichever decision they pick - it's a catch 22. But taking out the PR factor, any idiot can say that's a shitty deal.
cbkilla wrote:Being an Israeli citizen and currently living in Israel i dont think Israel shouldn't have done the trade. For one they did save life of one soldier but at the same time they release hundreds of terrorist that will without a doubt kill a lot more then 1 person. Aslo what Dutchy said, it shows weakness and will only motivate them to kidnap more soldiers. A lot of the people that were for the trade said that Israel needed to do the trade to show our soldiers that Israel will do anything to protect them and get them home safe. Now this is very true but only up to a certain extent. I think it was 3 or 6 months after Gilad was captured Israel had info on where he was being held but refused to send a rescue op due to a similar situation years ago where the capture soldier was killed in crossfire and a few of the ops members died as well. I think they should have sent the rescue op while they had the chance and taken the risk of casualties rather then take the risk of letting all those terrorists go.
Dont get me wrong though i am extremely happy for the Shalit family and for Gilad himself that he is finally home but i dont think the trade should have happened. I can say without a doubt if i was captured in the Israeli army or the American army i would rather stay captured then let hundreds of terrorists go free.
What about the 100's of prisoners who were in prison for petty crimes? Lets be honest, half if not most of those prisoners were in there for petty crimes, the people in there for killing other though should have stayed, but many people didn't deserve to be there. But lets look at it this way, how do you feel about the families of the people who's land is being occupied?
I feel a lot less for them compared to the families of people who were killed innocently.
and isael didnt kill anyone at Gazza, when u kill innocent ppl u should expect ur ppl to die, and what about israel attacking the ships from turkey before some time, i never respected israel nor i will later.
Strwarrior wrote:and isael didnt kill anyone at Gazza, when u kill innocent ppl u should expect ur ppl to die, and what about israel attacking the ships from turkey before some time, i never respected israel nor i will later.
i never specified who killed anyone, you should stop trying to start some sort of political flame war and stay on topic
Strwarrior wrote:and israel didnt kill anyone at Gazza, when u kill innocent ppl u should expect ur ppl to die, and what about israel attacking the ships from turkey before some time, i never respected israel nor i will later.
Couldn't have said it better.
@op: when you start a topic, you should hear both sides of the discussion, you asked for oppinions and you got some, don't expect everyone to agree with you.
So in the first week in college i went with jeans and the pajama's shirt. Didn't notice what i was wearing till after i returned home.
@cbkilla, u dont need to specify who killed who because its obvious, at least for me. And i didnt try to start a war i actually didnt want to look in this topic again but meh, i was just saying facts, that everyone is supposed to know.
I was actually refering to people in general but think what you want and even if what you posted are facts, they are completely irelevant to the topic therefore should not have been posted.
so i ask for the what, 3rd time? please stay on topic.
I think we all know around this entire subject its impossible to have a conversation both sides believe there side is right and this will stay so untill the end of time i'l never change my mind nor will the guy on the other side, As for the prisoner exchange i think we all shared our opinion unless there are new poeple wanting to share there opinion i doubt there is much further to discuss
Staying on topic was never something srf did, specially such topics. Also, truth will be revealed sooner or later, i was actually thinking to post some stuff about this but nvm, i dont want anymore offt excuses.
When you start a discussion you cant pick side at first.U said that u got a homework and want help and said how many israelian murdered by palestinian prisoners.Did you say anything about loss of other side?This effect participant of this discussion.
rumblemilitia wrote:When you start a discussion you cant pick side at first.U said that u got a homework and want help and said how many israelian murdered by palestinian prisoners.Did you say anything about loss of other side?This effect participant of this discussion.
He wasn't making statements he was asking question's as hes suposed to do doing his research for a paper
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