Now let's say you have two choices that you would live out to the end of your life. Bear with me. One- You are be extremely intelligent aware of the world's problems and feel somewhat obligated due to your ability to solve (or at least improve the conditions of) the world's problems. This of course will have effects on the mental state. Maybe the physical as well.
Two- You are completely oblivious to the greater of the world's problems and enjoy life. First world problems.
Now this is obviously a false dichotomy. But consider the following: " Who is to say what is right or wrong in a construct created by one's self we refer to as life. Undoubtedly each construct is influenced early on and takes basis based on culture, family values, etc. That goes without saying that the construct can be radicaly changed from its base. So life is what we make it. Are there any real universal rules we can establish to guide our choices? Or are we obligated to discuss such gray matters amongst ourselves and establish what is most definitely black and white. To separate the clear from the blurred and leave the latter to one's own."
Discuss. Seeing things from other's views is helpful.
Re: A choice
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:37 am
by Love
There is no meaning, there are no rules, there is no right or wrong, also smart people have no problem ignoring issues or even creating them in order to cash in, thus realistically your argument of intelligence = must fix shit and be tormented by it isn't one we should discuss unless you would like to talk about fictional possibilities like how I would kick people if I had wings.
"Good" is a concept I'd like to think we introduce when we don't want people raping our shit or are tired of being douchy, and seeing others be douchy, which brings us back to "not wanting people to rape our shit".
Re: A choice
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:47 pm
by TheDrop
Erm
2
Re: A choice
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:48 pm
by Shomari
Love wrote:There is no meaning, there are no rules, there is no right or wrong, also smart people have no problem ignoring issues or even creating them in order to cash in, thus realistically your argument of intelligence = must fix shit and be tormented by it isn't one we should discuss unless you would like to talk about fictional possibilities like how I would kick people if I had wings.
"Good" is a concept I'd like to think we introduce when we don't want people raping our shit or are tired of being douchy, and seeing others be douchy, which brings us back to "not wanting people to rape our shit".
I said it was a false dichotomy. Of course smart people can chose to ignore problems. Also how would we know what "Good" is?
UnbeatableDevil why 2?
Re: A choice
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:02 pm
by .curve
Shomari wrote: UnbeatableDevil why 2?
You asked him why, but my choice is the same so I'll explain why also.
I already live a pretty carefree, laid back life. Making it so that I'm completely oblivious to the world's problems would only make that lifestyle easier.
Re: A choice
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:15 pm
by TheDrop
Shomari wrote:UnbeatableDevil why 2?
Well I'd rather not care about something that doesnt directly affect me. Ofc I'd want to know about these problems but i dont want my lifestyle (mental) to be affected by something that doesnt have a direct effect on me.
Its more like apathy than ignorance.
Like who cares, not my problem The more you feel like the world is sunshine and rainbows, the better Rather common person than world changer
Re: A choice
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:54 pm
by Doron
Already living 2...
Re: A choice
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:32 pm
by omier
I want the 2nd, but i can't. But that doesn't mean i am the 1st.
Re: A choice
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:36 pm
by futuresight
omier44 wrote:I want the 2nd, but i can't. But that doesn't mean i am the 1st.
This exactly.
Re: A choice
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:37 pm
by Azilius
#1
'Having effects on the mental state' is very vague. The same applies to the obligation of improving the world. These both can boil down to simple things which really don't bother me. You've put zero negative connotation on #1. Perhaps my mental state improves from the great feeling I get of helping people..
That being said, if the connotation was supposed to be negative:
Depending on how bad my mental state became (being sad/depressed every now and then, or borderline insanity/heavy depression) I'd still heavily consider #1 as my choice. Living in ignorance just doesn't appeal to me, despite the fact that I wouldn't know any different. The principle of it just seems wrong. That's not to say I don't already live in ignorance (as it is more or less impossible not to), but it's not as if I do it on purpose.
I'm not sure how your quote saves your post from the fallacious choice making. Maybe you could expand?
Re: A choice
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:53 pm
by Shomari
Azilius wrote:#1
'Having effects on the mental state' is very vague. The same applies to the obligation of improving the world. These both can boil down to simple things which really don't bother me. You've put zero negative connotation on #1. Perhaps my mental state improves from the great feeling I get of helping people..
That being said, if the connotation was supposed to be negative:
Depending on how bad my mental state became (being sad/depressed every now and then, or borderline insanity/heavy depression) I'd still heavily consider #1 as my choice. Living in ignorance just doesn't appeal to me, despite the fact that I wouldn't know any different. The principle of it just seems wrong. That's not to say I don't already live in ignorance (as it is more or less impossible not to), but it's not as if I do it on purpose.
I'm not sure how your quote saves your post from the fallacious choice making. Maybe you could expand?
Yeah I could've expanded on #1 a bit more but I suck at artciulating my thoughts well.
All of what I put was just a hopeful starting point for a discussion in this general area. The fallacious choice making were just two 'extremes' purely for informational purposes which may or may not be accurate but help put together the "puzzle" based on people's choices.
Re: A choice
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:21 am
by BuDo
Using SRF as guinea pigs for some course work you're doing or just bored?
Re: A choice
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:48 am
by Shomari
BuDo wrote:Using SRF as guinea pigs for some course work you're doing or just bored?
learning through my own volition.
Re: A choice
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:14 am
by Breed
Sounds like some of you guys needs to learn to be a bit more empathetic
But that doesn't mean i am the 1st.