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Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 2:30 pm
by iGod
May 25th, 2011 - Bastrop High School, Louisiana
When a high school atheist tried to stop prayer at his graduation, he was harassed and kicked out of his house. But the atheist community stepped in.
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Fowler's name, and his role in this incident, was leaked. As a direct result:
1) Fowler has been hounded, pilloried, and ostracized by his community.
2) One of Fowler's teachers has publicly demeaned him.
3) Fowler has been physically threatened. Students have threatened to "jump him" at graduation practice, and he has received multiple threats of bodily harm, and even death threats.
4) Fowler's parents have cut off his financial support, kicked him out of the house, and thrown his belongings onto the front porch.
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The whole thing here.Also here.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 2:34 pm
by inky
Disgusting but given the setting, it's really no surprise. The town is overrun by crazy in-bred Jesus people who are impervious to reason and foreign to the word "tolerance".
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 2:37 pm
by heroo
what a moron. not because he is an atheist, but because he makes a problem out of nothing. so what if his school is having a prayer? isn't he happy that he graduated? he even threatened the school to call ACLU if they had the prayer, lol. serves him right the crybaby.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:02 pm
by Miguez
All the parties involved have overreacted.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:05 pm
by Apollion
Im atheist, dont think ive ever stopped or gotten offended by prayer. I do my own thing, they do theirs
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 4:18 pm
by McLovin1t
Whoa what a crybaby trying to uphold the law in his home town. I thought these bible nuts were fans of the Constitution? Establishment Clause anyone?
Lee v. Weisman anyone?
Inbred tards.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 4:21 pm
by heroo
lol trying to uphold the law. now you makin' this crybaby a hero too?
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 4:32 pm
by Tasdik
This amused me.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 4:33 pm
by .AWAKE.
Attention whores

Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 4:41 pm
by Pinoy_Archer
The 2 links details have different info and does not stay relevant, but rather based upon the opinion on the article writer. Now I'm confused.
The 2nd link had a video attached, I went to its source and want to find out its video description. It has something to do with American constitutions and also the separation of church and state, ACLU, and etc which i'm not familiar of, soo i have to stay out of that.
Also in the related videos there happens to be another graduation vid that happens to be related to Mr. Fowler...
If i'm right the sequence would go like this:If you find something wrong in my findings. Don't be flaming, this is just my assumption, also i'm open for correction.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 4:59 pm
by XemnasXD
Thee_UniQue wrote:All the parties involved have overreacted.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 5:12 pm
by TheDrop
heroo wrote:what a moron. not because he is an atheist, but because he makes a problem out of nothing. so what if his school is having a prayer? isn't he happy that he graduated? he even threatened the school to call ACLU if they had the prayer, lol. serves him right the crybaby.
This
Thee_UniQue wrote:All the parties involved have overreacted.
and this
inky wrote:Disgusting but given the setting, it's really no surprise. The town is overrun by crazy in-bred Jesus people who are impervious to reason and foreign to the word "tolerance".
the irony here..
Its like a kid crying about the pledge of allegiance because of that one line "under God" ~,~
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 5:25 pm
by inky
When a high school atheist tried to stop prayer at his graduation, he was harassed and kicked out of his house. But the atheist community stepped in.
Okay, this part I didn't read earlier...just kinda went through the list and skimmed the article quickly... lol I don't really see the big deal but the rest of them went overboard with the threats.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 5:35 pm
by NuclearSilo
Everyone should be like NuclearSilo, who loves to live in peace and always respect other's lifestyle

Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 5:47 pm
by inky
NuclearSilo wrote:Everyone should be like NuclearSilo, who loves to live in peace and always respect other's lifestyle

Hmmmm....... I'll give you that.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 5:56 pm
by *BlackFox
Thee_UniQue wrote:All the parties involved have overreacted.
QFT
NuclearSilo wrote:respect other's lifestyle

Well, as long as it doesn't violate, mess up other ppls lives.. Or someone being forced into it.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 10:28 pm
by woutR
If you're making a problem out of other people saying a small prayer you fail at atheism.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 10:34 pm
by Azilius
So wait if we dumb this down..
1. Someone warns a school that they're going to do something illegal and tries to have it stopped
2. People find out and ostracize him
3. Now he has no home, financial support and is being constantly threatened?
Ya he's the one overreacting for sure.
God forbid people try to follow the law.

EDIT:
From the article:
Thank
God there are still decent people in this world..
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 11:24 pm
by .curve
Azilius wrote:EDIT:
From the article:
Thank
God there are still decent people in this world..
That's actually pretty cool that this whole community has stuck up and supported him. I'm interested in how the rest of the story will play out.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 3:20 am
by TheDrop
Azilius wrote:So wait if we dumb this down..
1. Someone warns a school that they're going to do something illegal and tries to have it stopped
2. People find out and ostracize him
3. Now he has no home, financial support and is being constantly threatened?
Ya he's the one overreacting for sure.
God forbid people try to follow the law.

EDIT:
From the article:
Thank
God there are still decent people in this world..
1. Some nut demands school system to not do prayer during graduation
2. school says ok, people get pissed
3. Guy finds out everyone hates him, and atheist nuts from the internet gave him 15,00$
It would be interesting to find out if the prayer at graduation was a annual thing or not, cause in that case it would be obvious the guys a dumbass.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 3:50 am
by the.unseen.
This shit happens all the time just read Atheist section in reddit, those guys seem to go crazy over such little thing. xD
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 4:02 am
by Azilius
UnbeatableDevil wrote:Thank God there are still decent people in this world..
1. Some nut demands school system to not do prayer during graduation
2. school says ok, people get pissed
3. Guy finds out everyone hates him,
and atheist nuts from the internet gave him 15,00$It would be interesting to find out if the prayer at graduation was a annual thing or not, cause in that case it would be obvious the guys a dumbass.
Implying the internet communities that donated all that money are nuts.
Therefore..implying what I said earlier.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 4:22 am
by TheDrop
I didnt call all the atheists on teh internetz nuts, which is what i guess you are trying to say i did.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 4:27 am
by Azilius
Edited old post by accident..read that.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 5:00 am
by BuDo
As an atheist he's no different than some religious nuts who feel they have go overboard to impose their beliefs on others.....He failed....All he had to do was chill and not make a big deal.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 5:18 am
by TheDrop
They are nuts cause they are giving free money to a nut to try to support their nutty cause
BuDo wrote:As an atheist he's no different than some religious nuts who feel they have go overboard to impose their beliefs on others.....He failed....All he had to do was chill and not make a big deal.
Exactly.
If he didnt want to part take in the prayer, he could easily well, not taken part in it instead of being a whiny bish and complaining to the school board.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 6:01 am
by Azilius
UnbeatableDevil wrote:They are nuts cause they are giving free money to a nut to try to support their nutty cause
BuDo wrote:As an atheist he's no different than some religious nuts who feel they have go overboard to impose their beliefs on others.....He failed....All he had to do was chill and not make a big deal.
Exactly.
If he didnt want to part take in the prayer, he could easily well, not taken part in it instead of being a whiny bish and complaining to the school board.
And the school could have, you know, followed the
law. But that's too tough for religions isn't it. Seeing as how many religious people are exempt from certain laws due to religion itself. If you are unaware of what I'm talking about you can google around. This is just another case of state and religion not being separated, hence why it SHOULD be blown out of proportion. The little things add up..
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 6:47 am
by MrTwilliger
UnbeatableDevil wrote:They are nuts cause they are giving free money to a nut to try to support their nutty cause
BuDo wrote:As an atheist he's no different than some religious nuts who feel they have go overboard to impose their beliefs on others.....He failed....All he had to do was chill and not make a big deal.
Exactly.
If he didnt want to part take in the prayer, he could easily well, not taken part in it instead of being a whiny bish and complaining to the school board.
The issue isn't about whether or not he should be taking part in the prayer, rather the actual prayer itself is an illegal act to commit inside of a public school. He made his stand because the school, despite the student making a formal complaint about the unlawful nature of this prayer, still decided to disrespect his concerns and commit the unlawful act anyway. It's not an argument of whether or not one side is more important than the other, of whether one side is more dramatic than the other, rather it's an argument about the schools violating the laws that forbid that kind of act occurring in a public schooling environment.
The U.S. Supreme Court has been vigilant in forbidding public schools and other agencies of the government to interfere with Americans' constitutional right to follow their own consciences when it comes to religion. In 1962, the justices ruled that official prayer had no place in public education.
This decision is widely misunderstood today. The court did not rule that students are forbidden to pray on their own; the justices merely said that government officials had no business composing a prayer for students to recite. The Engel v. Vitale case came about because parents in New York challenged a prayer written by a New York education board. These Christian, Jewish and Unitarian parents did not want their children subjected to state-sponsored devotions. The high court agreed that the scheme amounted to government promotion of religion.
In the following year, 1963, the Supreme Court handed down another important ruling dealing with prayer in public schools. In Abington Township School District v. Schempp, the court declared school-sponsored Bible reading and recitation of the Lord's Prayer unconstitutional.
Source:
http://www.au.org/resources/brochures/p ... c-schools/That article was linked in the original article and since I'm not American, I read over it for a bit of basic understanding as to the laws that govern 'praying' in a public school environment.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 8:30 am
by strangelove
You're either not from the US or very naive if you believe this is about defenseless Christians being persecuted by the godless atheist for a harmless school prayer. This is about holding individuals accountable for laws broken and civil rights being trampled on. Any public space or facility that is government-funded is not allowed to promote or sponsor any one religion or faith and is to prevent such violations from occurring. If this were a private school, then I would agree that this was a pointless fight to pursue because such actions would be allowed. Furthermore, these are the type of people that wouldn't flinch for one second to stop any other non-Christian prayer from being uttered at graduation.
BuDo wrote:As an atheist he's no different than some religious nuts who feel they have go overboard to impose their beliefs on others.....He failed....All he had to do was chill and not make a big deal.
In general, atheists have no issues about anyone praying to whatever god or deity they want. You can pray till you're blue in the face and collapse from hypoxia for all we care, as long as it isn't violating anyone else's rights. Was the student robbing people of their faith? No. What beliefs did he impose on others? The belief that public schools and facilities shouldn't promote any one religion? That's not a belief, that's law which applies to everyone. Take your false equivalence argument elsewhere.
Civil rights exist specifically because minority groups 'make a big deal' when treated like second-class citizens.
Re: Atheist student threatened & disowned for protesting prayer
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 11:02 am
by NuclearSilo
I'm not from the US, but.. what's the impact with having a prayer in school? Like it will change anything with/without?