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what are other good reliable mp3 player brands other than ipods? i just need one mainly for music and for use in the car, but a camera would also be nice to.

there's some new shit, it's called a mobilephone or something. heard that was great.

heroo wrote:there's some new shit, it's called a mobilephone or something. heard that was great.

Yeah, I heard something about that, you could also send some chat look-a-like messages for a low cost, pretty clever.

lol,

If you want decent mp3 without all the shit of ipods.

I use archos.

http://www.archos.com/products/mp3_play ... ca&lang=en

Its easy to use, reliable and versatile

Zune. My friend got one and it's actually pretty sick.

Creative if they still make em

I heard Zune is a good brand.

Anything from Creative.

This is what i've had for quite a while.
Got an 8gb for the price of a 2gb ^^
It's simple, it works well.. only the earplugs that came with it weren't to great imo, but i use headphones for that.

I have a €30 mp3 player. Works perfect and I wouldn't want another one. I drop it everyday and it still works like a charm

You don't really need an iPod but I've been using one for years so I would recommend it. I traded my 16gb iTouch for a classic one with 120gb. It lets me store all the music I want and it's simple enough not to start worrying about lagging and software issues unlike most electronics. Just make sure you invest an extra $5 on a cheap rubber casing -- it'll save you a lot in t he end.

As far as cameras go, that depends on whether you want a point and shoot or a slightly more sophisticated one. For a decent point and shoot, my recommendation would be:
http://www.adorama.com/ICASD780BKR.html ... urce=gbase

If my word isn't enough, I know of a few photographers (including professional commercial ones) who carry one with them.

As for a camera that lets you go manual, I would recommend taking a look around keh.com for a good bargain. Just a tip: Never buy from some unknown store, especially those tourist traps in NY. They either sell 2-5 times the regular price, have no insurance/return policy, and are willing to sell you 2nd-rate cheap refurbished shit as "brand new". I use Canon personally but that's only because it's my first "professional" camera and it would cost me a shitload of money to change brands because of the lenses. Nikon, Pentax, and Canon are definitely great for people new to the field. Sony has a few with a good rep and a decent price but I'm very selective with that brand.

ExSoldier wrote:Zune. My friend got one and it's actually pretty sick.

So lowly respected in australia..

i just decided to buy a creative zen mp3 player.

the archos is better looking and cheaper, but i see a few bad reviews on it.

If you don't mind me hijacking your thread a little, any suggestions on a good pair of earphones? Something cheap (below $60) that would last me for a long time. I'm not clumsy with my stuff but I would require it to at least survive a few months or a year being stored inside a backpack most of the time.

I hear Zune and Sony mp3 are nice.

Shomari wrote:http://www.amazon.com/SoundMAGIC-PL50-Isolating-Monitor-Earphones/dp/B004HCBX44/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1298342584&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/MEElectronics-M9- ... 702&sr=1-1

MEElectronics looks pretty good right now. Any experience with it?