Dear atheists/evolutionists

[Tasdik]

Could you please post your most convincing arguments for why you dont believe in a god and/or creation. Videos, essays or whatever will work.

Also, while i have you here, im told that the current research of quantum physics now understand that the universe was brought into exsistance by the energized vibrations of sound. Is this true?

[EvGa]

The quantum strings stuff you posted, I'd need a link. But as far as string theory goes, it's a huge mathematical train wreck. We honestly don't know how the universe began, or what kickstarted the big bang.

My argument for why I don't believe in god is simple, and is in the form of a question: Why should I?

To expand on that a little (and this horse has been beaten to death), what evidence is there that says or points me in the direction of believing in god? As far as creation goes, and I assume you mean creation that challenges evolution, there is simply too much evidence for evolution and again, none for the creation story. You don't believe in evolution, you either accept it or you don't. Example: You either accept gravity or you don't. You can argue all day about the details of how gravity works, but the fact remains, gravity is real, it happens.

[Azilius]

Believing in God makes me feel silly. When I think of the concept and the lengths people go to I just can't believe it. The mountains of scientific fact that go against it help me in this decision as well. I don't have anything against people who believe though, for the most part.

[Jaapii]

because there's actually not a single proof that there is a god

[[SD]Master_Wong]

i never said i didnt, i just dont believe in god in the sense the bible does. nor do i think i need to give it praise.

even this im sceptical of but its possible god is nothing more then an alien who pushed us in the right direction...prove me wrong haha

all jokes aside there is no physical proof or even tangable proof (think i phrased that wrong i hope you get the jist of what im trying to say) most things in the bible have no merit in real life application or science leading me to believe its only stories passed down. not saying jesus or other people in the bible or any holy text for that matter didnt exist in some form but they where far from what we know them as jesus could have just been a great man but now he is the son of god

[cpinney]

my thoughts on this thread

[vietxboy911]

i hope thats charlie and the unicorns

[VforVendetta]

Oh look, its the obligatory weekly religion/science thread. Was wondering when it woulds show up.

[EvGa]

Oh look it's the obligatory replies from posters who can't seem to stay out of threads they don't enjoy.

[VforVendetta]

Oh look, its the obligatory reply to a remark made upon a thread that has been created several thousand times.

[XMoshe]

I do think there is more than just us here (and I don't mean aliens) but I do not believe in a god. I don't have any proof as to why I don't, I just don't. I did go to a catholic school though o.O

[_Scarlett_]

Don't know why the second question is posted toward atheist and people who believe in evolution when it should be asked toward quantum physicists, and other people/person's well versed, and who have done extensive first-hand research in the field.

However, as for my own reason to not believe in any gods is that I never believed. Yes, I was brought to church from my parents and grandparents when I was young, but what I heard in church just sounded more like some fiction novel than actuality. God seemed as plausible as Santa Claus back then, and even to this day (didn't make sense that some fat old guy with flying animals could make it to every single house on earth in one day, not to mention the believing in the "flying hoofed-animals without wings" part; the supposed information given just didn't stack up. I'm thankful I'm naturally skeptical of everything people tell me. It just makes belief, or non-belief in certain things easier.

[Ownage]

I do think there is more than just us here (and I don't mean aliens) but I do not believe in a god. I don't have any proof as to why I don't, I just don't. I did go to a catholic school though o.O

Why not aliens?

But I do not believe in god because I do not think there is a afterlife that we go to after we die for the rest of eternity. Also because there is no proof, a little over 3000 years ago people believed in the Greek gods back then they really thought they were real. What now? In another 1000 years same thing will probably happen, they will look at the religions of today and think the same. Its just going to be a cycle until we get far enough in science to disprove it all.

[Fresh]

i follow cantheism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantheism

[Tasdik]

First if all, i didnt intend to make this another religion verse atheisim thread. I intended it to be more of a science verse evolution thread. Now before you all get your panties in a bunch, chill out and give me a while to compile some data on this subject. *which is why i asked for any videos or whatever that you felt helped prove evolution, but whatever*.

Im currently at some college where i met a man who spends his time arguing against evolution using scientific reasoning. And against atheism by pointing out some of the rediculously scientific methods used throughout the bible.

Once again, it will take a bit for me to get the data. I plan on ninjaing his power point presentation, re-reading through it, and then posting some interesting things that you may have not known prevuously. So stay tuned.

[EvGa]

I figured this was a trap. In for the arguments. You're going to find it extremely difficult to debunk evolution.

[TheDrop]

[Ichimaru420]

Maybe a presence bigger than our selves exists...but to label it as "God" I doubt it.

[XemnasXD]

my thoughts on this thread

Spoiler!

i started laughing at the first pic and then just kept on laughing as i scrolled down...

I'm not really sure what Tasdik wants.

Sounds like he was arguing against a Christian and if so then [Disbelief in Abrahamic God =/= Disbelief in the idea of a god] Discrediting Christianity or Judaism or Islam or even Hinduism is alot easier than discrediting the idea that an omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient being can exist or whether or not those are even the criteria for being a god if such a being did exist. I mean If such a being did exist i still wouldn't consider him my god or even a god. See when you take out human ideal attached to god and just leave him bare the issue becomes a bit more complicated. Though assigning those three omni's is itself a human ideal...*sigh*

[Hellraider]

The bible is more of a fairytale then the physics/science books, so i pick evolution

[Ichimaru420]

The bible is more of a fairytale then the physics/science books, so i pick evolution

Religion is Santa clause for adults

[strangelove]

First if all, i didnt intend to make this another religion verse atheisim thread. I intended it to be more of a science verse evolution thread. Now before you all get your panties in a bunch, chill out and give me a while to compile some data on this subject. *which is why i asked for any videos or whatever that you felt helped prove evolution, but whatever*.

Im currently at some college where i met a man who spends his time arguing against evolution using scientific reasoning. And against atheism by pointing out some of the rediculously scientific methods used throughout the bible.

Once again, it will take a bit for me to get the data. I plan on ninjaing his power point presentation, re-reading through it, and then posting some interesting things that you may have not known prevuously. So stay tuned.

Well, ridiculous is right. Claims of scientific merit in the Bible are nothing new and rather unremarkable. They're basically interpretations that can be made using simple observation of the natural world. That, and some crafty interpretation of Biblical scriptures. The purpose of the Bible is to teach the reader about God, not science, and to tout the Bible as a scientific textbook is a flaw in itself. That the Bible has occasional correct individual observations does not mean the whole thing must therefore be correct. The Qur'an also claims many similar scientific observations. Does that mean the Qur'an is also correct? Anyway, I'm curious to see what claims the Powerpoint includes but I have a feeling it'll just be rehashed old arguments.

[Amarisa]

i am an atheist but i guess i am more of an agnostic athiest. i believe there is no god but i don't keep it out of the equation. could there be intelligent design (aka a god)? sure but there is so much to this universe that you can't really give a straight answer.

[magisuns]

wheres that quote that i said in the other thread...

[Nick Invaders]

Well, most of the world doesn't believe in the thousands of other gods that have "existed". What difference does it make if I go one step further?

Anyways, I've always thought of the bible as more of a fiction book. The stories never seemed right and never seemed to fit how the world worked (from what I had observed). I stopped going to church n stuff (my parents aren't strict people, they let me do what I wanted to do, this was also back before I was 10 yrs old) and leaving it had made no difference in my life at all. This notion of an all powerful being watching whatever I did didn't seem all that appealing to me even if the penalty for not believing him was eternal damnation in hell.

In fact, up until three/four years ago, I never even thought of any sort of god. Then someone asked me if I was a Christian, I said yes like some other people for fear of being left out. Then I sort of examined myself and why I said that. Why? I believe in what I want, so after that point I never called myself anything until I learned the word atheist and went on.

One thing that I sort have noticed about some people in the community is that people say they are what they aren't because they don't want to get left out. I certainly thought that way even if it was for the briefest of moments. If this fear is what holds even the smallest bit of any religion together, then I say it should die.

imo religions that act as guides on how to be good in society are, well, good, but creating things to keep people bound to that religion because of fear isn't worth believing in at all. Fear is an unnecessary tool.

I don't know if these are good, but here they are.

[William-CL]

because there's actually not a single proof that there is a god

Can you prove there isn't?

I Personally believe in God. I have my own reasons for that and that's all I need. People are allowed to believe whatever they want. I won't argue beliefs with someone if they don't argue mine. I'm also a science geek and am interested in physics. And everything I hear about science being the reason for the universe is always pointing out that that is the sole reason and nothing more yet they can't prove that either. It's always one sided. Their beliefs.

[Nick Invaders]

because there's actually not a single proof that there is a god

Can you prove there isn't?

I don't mean to bring up an argument or anything, but doesn't it go that you have to prove something to exist? Proving something doesn't exist doesn't make sense.

It's like trying to prove that species x doesn't exist, you can't prove its nonexistence, you need to prove its existence.

[Gaigemasta]

A lot of atheist trust evolution as a scientific standard, makes a whole lot more sense than a flood and a ark. There is also proof behind evolution

[TheDrop]

A lot of atheist trust evolution as a scientific standard, makes a whole lot more sense than a flood and a ark. There is also proof behind evolution

i believe in god and i believe in evolution

[William-CL]

because there's actually not a single proof that there is a god

Can you prove there isn't?

I don't mean to bring up an argument or anything, but doesn't it go that you have to prove something to exist? Proving something doesn't exist doesn't make sense.

It's like trying to prove that species x doesn't exist, you can't prove its nonexistence, you need to prove its existence.

Same goes for proving that science is the reason for creation. You can't.
And in a way yes your right, but it does indeed mean you can't prove it's nonexistence which is what I was getting at. Atheists try to tell people God doesn't exist and tries to get them to doubt their beliefs. People can't stop that belief no matter how much they try because like you said you can't prove somethign doesn't exist. Makes sense to me anyways lol. (no argument intended either)