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Do you think or believe that things happen for a reason?

Edit.. p.s This thread has nothing to do with religion.

No.

I dunno.

Nope

Yes

nope

What thing ?

Do you believe; that people don't believe in fate?

Mirosuke wrote:What thing ?

Your destiny.. xD

nope

what

Fate? No, it is not logically feasible.
A simple example. Let's say we got a dice. In theory, the chance to get, say, number 4 is roughly 17% (100%/6). Well, we get the number 4, and win a couple of millions.
Some would say it was your fate to win; meaning that the other, theoretically possible outcomes (numbers 1,2,3,5,6, the dice being eaten by a dog etc) were not actually possible. That doesn't make sense to me.
I don't think either way can be proven thoroughly, very much like the god case. However, i think we shouldn't even need to prove something's (fate's) non-existence in the first place, if there's no actual reason to believe it may exist.

Shadow wrote:Fate? No, it is not logically feasible.
A simple example. Let's say we got a dice. In theory, the chance to get, say, number 4 is roughly 17% (100%/6). Well, we get the number 4, and win a couple of millions.
Some would say it was your fate to win; meaning that the other, theoretically possible outcomes (numbers 1,2,3,5,6, the dice being eaten by a dog etc) were not actually possible. That doesn't make sense to me.
I don't think either way can be proven thoroughly, very much like the god case. However, i think we shouldn't even need to prove something's (fate's) non-existence in the first place, if there's no actual reason to believe it may exist.

Calculations have nothing to do with fate..

In some cases, i believe.

Nope

xzaz wrote:Calculations have nothing to do with fate..

Calculations have to do with chance, and chance is the opposite of fate. Fate is the belief that everything happens because it was meant to, and as such there's no other possible outcomes for any instance. Ultimately, fate would mean that you're actually not in control of your actions, but just follow a path that's been set before you.

How would you explain for example dying when playing russian roulette? That it was your fate, and had nothing to do with chance? Pff, the whole game is about chance.


What would cause such a thing as "fate"? A god that's written a manuscript for the whole universe and all instances that occur all the time? I recon no logical reasons can be presented to support, let alone prove the existence of "fate" or "destiny". Superstitious nonsense.

Yes. There is Order in Destiny. Nash Equilibrium; the governing dynamics of everything are out there.

I'll give a nice and simple answer:
Nope.

@Shadow:

Wouldnt the theory that theres an infinite amount of universes where every possible outcome plays out in another universe (wasnt it Einstein that suggested this?) mean that fate does exist?

Or if you look at it in another way.

Whatever happens in the future will happen unless we know how that future came to be.

So with the dice example, if in the future you rolled a five, you will still roll a five unless you knew how you rolled that five to start off with.

So unless we can travel through time I can safely assume that since the future exists, I cant change it without knowing how that future came to be.



my 2 cents...

This is going to get into Quantum Mechanics and Parallel Universes.

Ownage wrote:This is going to get into Quantum Mechanics and Parallel Universes.

Now that you mention it...

Anyways, no.

Ownage wrote:This is going to get into Quantum Mechanics and Parallel Universes.

Of course, amongst many other things, it is going to get into that too.

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Fate had this reply in store for us. It was bound to happen, as is everything that is ever going to happen.

Shadow wrote:

xzaz wrote:Calculations have nothing to do with fate..

Calculations have to do with chance, and chance is the opposite of fate. Fate is the belief that everything happens because it was meant to, and as such there's no other possible outcomes for any instance. Ultimately, fate would mean that you're actually not in control of your actions, but just follow a path that's been set before you.

How would you explain for example dying when playing russian roulette? That it was your fate, and had nothing to do with chance? Pff, the whole game is about chance.


What would cause such a thing as "fate"? A god that's written a manuscript for the whole universe and all instances that occur all the time? I recon no logical reasons can be presented to support, let alone prove the existence of "fate" or "destiny". Superstitious nonsense.

Yes, even a game of Russian roulette is fate.. we like to think we have a choice, thats a human thing, but we have not. Like it is my fait to write this.

And for you second part, for me its a God for someone it is destiny..

How about thinking of a 'God' in terms of 'The Order of Destiny'? However random destiny or fate might seem, what if there is a pattern we haven't been able to discover yet? What about a pattern in pi, or in ivy leaves?

EDIT: Watch the movies 'A Beautiful Mind' and 'Pi' if you're interested in things like these.

Stress wrote:How about thinking of a 'God' in terms of 'The Order of Destiny'? However random destiny or fate might seem, what if there is a pattern we haven't been able to discover yet? What about a pattern in pi, or in ivy leaves?

EDIT: Watch the movies 'A Beautiful Mind' and 'Pi' if you're interested in things like these.

Yep, but then again who created the Patern... ah this is filosophy... you can go on for ages

xzaz wrote:

Stress wrote:How about thinking of a 'God' in terms of 'The Order of Destiny'? However random destiny or fate might seem, what if there is a pattern we haven't been able to discover yet? What about a pattern in pi, or in ivy leaves?

EDIT: Watch the movies 'A Beautiful Mind' and 'Pi' if you're interested in things like these.

Yep, but then again who created the Patern... ah this is filosophy... you can go on for ages

The Pattern is inherent to everything.

Stress wrote:

xzaz wrote:

Stress wrote:How about thinking of a 'God' in terms of 'The Order of Destiny'? However random destiny or fate might seem, what if there is a pattern we haven't been able to discover yet? What about a pattern in pi, or in ivy leaves?

EDIT: Watch the movies 'A Beautiful Mind' and 'Pi' if you're interested in things like these.

Yep, but then again who created the Patern... ah this is filosophy... you can go on for ages

The Pattern is inherent to everything.

Who dangerous word 'everything' define everything.. what we can see?

@xzaz
Good question. Let me answer with a question of my own. We know things that we cannot be aware of, 'see' in any way, must exist. For example, dark matter, or such things. If some things weren't there, the universe could never work. We are aware of this, but we have no clue of what those things really are.

Now, onto my point. If things we cannot 'see' in any way have to exist, isn't it safe to suppose, that there is a possibility that a lot of other things might exist, which we cannot 'see' in any way? This is 'everything', in my opinion. All that has ever existed, exists now, and will ever exist, wether we 'see' it or not.