nVidia Fermi/GF100 - GTX480/470

[[SD]Master_Wong]

launch date for GeForce GTX 480 and GTX 470 is March 26, 2010.

Iv been waiting so long for this im actually finding myself getting really exited, im going to order one for release day.

One big question in my mind is my system is getting a bit old now and im worried about bottle necking this card is said to be 2x the power of the gtx 285 thats a lot of power and ofc i expect bugs from a first gen card but i need to upgrade and this is out at just the right time.

I want to know who else is getting one also anyone know if it will bottle neck on my comp (stats below)

AMD Phenomx4
Asus M4N78 pro (mobo)
4gb 1066mhz ram ddr2

[EvGa]

I wouldn't be too quick to jump on the first line of fermi. Rumors have it barely topping a 5870.. using lots of power... Excited to see how it performs once in the hands of some reviewers.

[Azilius]

It will bottle neck on a core i7. Any super intensive gaming at extreme resolutions will bottle neck..the question is by how much, and in your case you won't notice anything too big unless you game at 1920x1200 and you're playing something like Crysis maxed. It's hard to say how much you'll notice it because bottle necking really depends on the game, the resolution, and some other things..

But to get the full power of that card you'd need an overclocked i7, even then you won't.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

tbh i think iv made my mind up and rumors cant possible be true at this point the card hasnt even been given out to reviewer yet. it is essentially the first quad core gpu well sorta it has a L2 global cache and much more it sounds promissing just based on stats but yeh it will prolly be a power hog and no one knows really how it performs yet

and eventually il upgrade my system iv looked into it and i could right this very moment but for the next 3years id be paying a monthly fee to pay back what i bought i wouldnt mind but id be upgrading again by the end of that haha

[EvGa]

tbh i think iv made my mind up and rumors cant possible be true at this point the card hasnt even been given out to reviewer yet. it is essentially the first quad core gpu well sorta it has a L2 global cache and much more it sounds promissing just based on stats but yeh it will prolly be a power hog and no one knows really how it performs yet

and eventually il upgrade my system iv looked into it and i could right this very moment but for the next 3years id be paying a monthly fee to pay back what i bought i wouldnt mind but id be upgrading again by the end of that haha

Good reasons not to jump on the bandwagon yet.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

tbh i think iv made my mind up and rumors cant possible be true at this point the card hasnt even been given out to reviewer yet. it is essentially the first quad core gpu well sorta it has a L2 global cache and much more it sounds promissing just based on stats but yeh it will prolly be a power hog and no one knows really how it performs yet

and eventually il upgrade my system iv looked into it and i could right this very moment but for the next 3years id be paying a monthly fee to pay back what i bought i wouldnt mind but id be upgrading again by the end of that haha

Good reasons not to jump on the bandwagon yet.

well by release day some of the bigger reviews will have a card and reviews wont take long to hit the net and even my custom pc magazine has said they will have a review of it by next issue plus i may not be able to get it dead on release day but i dont want to wait too long i can see it selling out quick

[Deadsolid]

I think you can get a mobo with dual cpu sockets. Its a shitty AMD board though.

Edit: i take that back, there are Intel boards with dual sockets.
Edit 2: Well, that took forever and a day to find....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... -_-Product

[[SD]Master_Wong]

they aint as good as they sound making 2 cpus work together and then with the other shit isnt easy and its not very effeciant your better off just overclocking a high end cpu/mobo/ram

[Amarisa]

id say wait until its reviewed before you jump in on it. i'm sure every one of the benchmarking sites will have one out in a week tops.

[Love]

launch date for GeForce GTX 480 and GTX 470 is March 26, 2010.

Iv been waiting so long for this im actually finding myself getting really exited, im going to order one for release day.

One big question in my mind is my system is getting a bit old now and im worried about bottle necking this card is said to be 2x the power of the gtx 285 thats a lot of power and ofc i expect bugs from a first gen card but i need to upgrade and this is out at just the right time.

I want to know who else is getting one also anyone know if it will bottle neck on my comp (stats below)

AMD Phenomx4
Asus M4N78 pro (mobo)
4gb 1066mhz ram ddr2

AMD Phenomx4 is not sufficient info but generally speaking you should be more than fine specially if it's the case of 2x the performance of a gtx 285.

[heroo]

how much you're going to pay for it?

[[SD]Master_Wong]

launch date for GeForce GTX 480 and GTX 470 is March 26, 2010.

Iv been waiting so long for this im actually finding myself getting really exited, im going to order one for release day.

One big question in my mind is my system is getting a bit old now and im worried about bottle necking this card is said to be 2x the power of the gtx 285 thats a lot of power and ofc i expect bugs from a first gen card but i need to upgrade and this is out at just the right time.

I want to know who else is getting one also anyone know if it will bottle neck on my comp (stats below)

AMD Phenomx4
Asus M4N78 pro (mobo)
4gb 1066mhz ram ddr2

AMD Phenomx4 is not sufficient info but generally speaking you should be more than fine specially if it's the case of 2x the performance of a gtx 285.

well i left it quite broad cus its now an old chip in my eyes adding 9750 to the end was just too much effort xD

how much you're going to pay for it?

i expect around £300-400 maybe more we'll see also depends whether i get the 480 or the 470

[PettZon]

It will bottle neck on a core i7. Any super intensive gaming at extreme resolutions will bottle neck....

Wrong.

The higher resolution you have, the more the graphic card will work, therefore the less it will bottleneck.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

It will bottle neck on a core i7. Any super intensive gaming at extreme resolutions will bottle neck....

Wrong.

The higher resolution you have, the more the graphic card will work, therefore the less it will bottleneck.

wrong the higher resolution the mroe data needs to be calculated the more the gfx card will work, harder it is to process all this data and thats more likly to bottle neck

dude learn what bottle neck is first

[_Equal_]

It will bottle neck on a core i7. Any super intensive gaming at extreme resolutions will bottle neck....

Wrong.

The higher resolution you have, the more the graphic card will work, therefore the less it will bottleneck.

I, um, don't know what to say to that. All the hardware sites and reviewers and thousands of geeks over the last 10 years have it wrong, who knew!

And I mean, uh, all those benchmarks that show frame rate dropping off as resolution increases...uh...

Anyway, perhaps there is a language barrier and you meant to say something else?

[Azilius]

It will bottle neck on a core i7. Any super intensive gaming at extreme resolutions will bottle neck....

Wrong.

The higher resolution you have, the more the graphic card will work, therefore the less it will bottleneck.

"Bottlenecking" occurs when the rest of the computer cannot compute the data being sent by the graphics card. AKA your gfx card is too fast for your CPU (most cases). Be 100% sure before you post these things because you can give someone the wrong idea..who will give someone else the wrong idea..etc. Chain effect.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

It will bottle neck on a core i7. Any super intensive gaming at extreme resolutions will bottle neck....

Wrong.

The higher resolution you have, the more the graphic card will work, therefore the less it will bottleneck.

"Bottlenecking" occurs when the rest of the computer cannot compute the data being sent by the graphics card. AKA your gfx card is too fast for your CPU (most cases). Be 100% sure before you post these things because you can give someone the wrong idea..who will give someone else the wrong idea..etc. Chain effect.

i call this the retard sting cheese effect where thus they become fasinated on one thing rather then looking at the whole picture

[PettZon]

It will bottle neck on a core i7. Any super intensive gaming at extreme resolutions will bottle neck....

Wrong.

The higher resolution you have, the more the graphic card will work, therefore the less it will bottleneck.

"Bottlenecking" occurs when the rest of the computer cannot compute the data being sent by the graphics card. AKA your gfx card is too fast for your CPU (most cases). Be 100% sure before you post these things because you can give someone the wrong idea..who will give someone else the wrong idea..etc. Chain effect.

You better be sure yourself actually.

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,69704 ... arte/Test/


With other words. By having low resolution your CPU has to work harder to render frames. While increasing your resolution will put more of the work on your GPU instead.
What you see on the graphs on that site is that even a Q6600 stock could run with an HD5870 without bottlenecking if you got your resolution high enough.

This doesnt apply for all games of course but the majority of them.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

Wrong.

The higher resolution you have, the more the graphic card will work, therefore the less it will bottleneck.

"Bottlenecking" occurs when the rest of the computer cannot compute the data being sent by the graphics card. AKA your gfx card is too fast for your CPU (most cases). Be 100% sure before you post these things because you can give someone the wrong idea..who will give someone else the wrong idea..etc. Chain effect.

You better be sure yourself actually.

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,69704 ... arte/Test/


With other words. By having low resolution your CPU has to work harder to render frames. While increasing your resolution will put more of the work on your GPU instead.
What you see on the graphs on that site is that even a Q6600 stock could run with an HD5870 without bottlenecking if you got your resolution high enough.

This doesnt apply for all games of course but the majority of them.

come on your retard it works the opposite the bigger the resolution the more the work is involved to keep the same level of detail, in smaller resolutions you can cut details and not notice the difference.

look you have absolutelly no idea what bottle necking is

fyi


if im seeing this right its showing the higher resolution with aa and the works been a lower frame rate then smaller resolution....are you really that retarded that you cant even see simple things on a graph

[Azilius]

PettZon
You're still wrong..

We are talking about a GPU being bottle necked by a slower CPU. When you turn up the resolution your GPU needs to work even more, you stated this yourself. When your GPU works a lot and your CPU cannot keep up, your frame rate lowers AKA bottlenecking.

This is an easy concept.

[PettZon]

come on your retard it works the opposite the bigger the resolution the more the work is involved to keep the same level of detail, in smaller resolutions you can cut details and not notice the difference.

look you have absolutelly no idea what bottle necking is

fyi

*pic*

if im seeing this right its showing the higher resolution with aa and the works been a lower frame rate then smaller resolution....are you really that retarded that you cant even see simple things on a graph

This doesnt apply for all games of course but the majority of them.

Besides, isnt this a discussion and not a flame-war?
so no need for you to throw insults at me for telling facts.

:palm:
PettZon
You're still wrong..

We are talking about a GPU being bottle necked by a slower CPU. When you turn up the resolution your GPU needs to work even more, you stated this yourself. When your GPU works a lot and your CPU cannot keep up, your frame rate lowers AKA bottlenecking.

This is an easy concept.

So how come the 2 year old Q6600 had same fps as the overclocked i7 during half of the tests in 1920x1080 ? Even the E6600 kept up to the Oced i7 in some of them. If it bottlenecked there would be a increase in fps at higher resolutions on the better cpu's.

[Azilius]

:palm:
PettZon
You're still wrong..

We are talking about a GPU being bottle necked by a slower CPU. When you turn up the resolution your GPU needs to work even more, you stated this yourself. When your GPU works a lot and your CPU cannot keep up, your frame rate lowers AKA bottlenecking.

This is an easy concept.

So how come the 2 year old Q6600 had same fps as the overclocked i7 during half of the tests in 1920x1080 ? Even the E6600 kept up to the Oced i7 in some of them. If it bottlenecked there would be a increase in fps at higher resolutions on the better cpu's.

Simply because it does not bottleneck or they ALL bottleneck. I used your own logic to prove what I was saying and you still deny it.


Look at the first graph..the WoW graph..the Risen graph..3/5 graphs (the ones not using the crytek engine, WOW what a surprise) shows the bottleneck trend.

I know what I'm talking about.

[PettZon]

:palm:
PettZon
You're still wrong..

We are talking about a GPU being bottle necked by a slower CPU. When you turn up the resolution your GPU needs to work even more, you stated this yourself. When your GPU works a lot and your CPU cannot keep up, your frame rate lowers AKA bottlenecking.

This is an easy concept.

So how come the 2 year old Q6600 had same fps as the overclocked i7 during half of the tests in 1920x1080 ? Even the E6600 kept up to the Oced i7 in some of them. If it bottlenecked there would be a increase in fps at higher resolutions on the better cpu's.

Simply because it does not bottleneck or they ALL bottleneck. I used your own logic to prove what I was saying and you still deny it.


Look at the first graph..the WoW graph..the Risen graph..3/5 graphs (the ones not using the crytek engine, WOW what a surprise) shows the bottleneck trend.

I know what I'm talking about.

And thats why im going to bring these up again.

It will bottle neck on a core i7. Any super intensive gaming at extreme resolutions will bottle neck....

Wrong.

The higher resolution you have, the more the graphic card will work, therefore the less it will bottleneck.

I never stated that it would remove bottlenecking, just reduce it at higher resolutions. (Depending on the game)

Edit : Besides, i doubt that a Oced Q6600 or better would bottleneck it by any large amount.

[cpinney]

keep it classy gentlemen.

[Azilius]

It will bottle neck on a core i7. Any super intensive gaming at extreme resolutions will bottle neck....

Wrong.

The higher resolution you have, the more the graphic card will work, therefore the less it will bottleneck.

I never stated that it would remove bottlenecking, just reduce it at higher resolutions. (Depending on the game)

I've presented you with sound logic in different posts and I'm afraid you're just to stubborn/ignorant to accept it.

Conversation should have ended with

higher resolution -> more gfx usage

more gfx usage -> harder for cpu to keep up

too slow of a cpu -> frame rate restricted to cpu

->>>>>> bottleneck

http://media.bestofmicro.com/4/S/220492 ... d%20AA.png
http://www.overclock.net/benchmarking-s ... sults.html
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=102976

It sounds like you are saying that because the CPU is 'used less' as the resolution goes up, it cannot bottle neck as much. You are missing the key facts about what bottlenecking really is, or how a graphics card works. The graphics card may work at 1000 (ignore units/anything else) but the graphics card has to translate everything through the CPU.

pretend the cpu can only run at 500 max
gfx at 1000
ignore units..

1000x1000 res the cpu works at 400 and the gfx at 400. Ok cool no bottle neck

1500x1500 res the cpu works at 300 (less) and the gfx at 600 (more). Now the CPU can only run at 500 max...even if the graphics card can process at 500 the CPU can only accept 400, just like the neck of a beer bottle. It is smaller so when you tip the bottle upside down the fluid will not leave as fast...

[Pinoy_Archer]

Let me get this straight...

Bottleneck is...

a slow CPU combined with a fast GPU?

btw... how do you know when it is bottle necking? I'm really interested on topics like this since in the future i want to build me own Gaming computer

[[SD]Master_Wong]

fps drop is a big sign of bottle necking

[Azilius]

Let me get this straight...

Bottleneck is...

a slow CPU combined with a fast GPU?

btw... how do you know when it is bottle necking? I'm really interested on topics like this since in the future i want to build me own Gaming computer

A bottleneck is anything slowing something else down. Think of the literal shape of a bottle and how the end limits the flow of liquid leaving the bottle. In most cases we refer to a CPU slowing down a GPU because the developments of the GPU's in cards are so amazingly fast new generation CPU's can't keep up..this usually occurs at high, high resolutions (2560x1600 for example) when gaming. You'll even see it at something like 1680x1020 depending on your CPU..

Of course FPS drops every time you increase resolution simple because the GPU has to work more, pointing out a bottle neck could be something like the decrease in FPS is much much greater than it should be..It's sometimes a hard concept to point out but it does happen.

Another example is trying to record your screen at say..150 FPS while playing a game. Your hard drive might not be able to preform fast enough compared to your GPU resulting in a much lower FPS when you hit record. So you would be experiencing a HDD bottleneck.

[EvGa]

btw... how do you know when it is bottle necking? I'm really interested on topics like this since in the future i want to build me own Gaming computer

-You're not seeing the FPS others are in the same game with the same GPU

-Benchmarking the difference (same gpu, same benchmark, differing clock speeds/differing cpu)

-You need something to compare to or you won't necessarily know you are being bottlenecked.

Example: I hold the 3DMark03 record for a single 7800GT. (srs) I originally paired it with an Opteron 165 and maxed my score at 9,000 (example, don't remember score). Then when I got my first core 2 duo and paired it up with the 7800GT I was able to raise my score to 12,000. In other words, the GPU had a lot more headroom, the Opteron was just holding it back.

Someone with an i7 and that 7800GT might be able to squeeze even more out of it now days..or maybe the 7800GT was at it's limit. You don't know until you test it. (I don't have that 7800GT anymore. )

[Love]

It will bottle neck on a core i7. Any super intensive gaming at extreme resolutions will bottle neck....

Wrong.

The higher resolution you have, the more the graphic card will work, therefore the less it will bottleneck.

wrong the higher resolution the mroe data needs to be calculated the more the gfx card will work, harder it is to process all this data and thats more likly to bottle neck

dude learn what bottle neck is first

wrong, depends on the application and 80% + of the time in gaming your gpu will be your weakest link at higher resolutions.

bottle neck is and occurs when any part of your pc caps and pretty much craps down the rest of your system to it's performance, easy examples would be a 1 ghz cpu in a quadfire setup and an i9 paired with a 6 year old gpu, both will obviously be unplayable and both old pieces of hardware are to blame, this can also occur with hardrive, ram, your internet connection ( when required obviously ), etc.

not to call you out just getting the facts straight =p