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So my mother and I got into a discussion yesterday about Palestine and Israel and it made me realize we all have sort of chosen a side in the Israel - Palestine conflict.

I am personally more drawn to support Israel. My mother was very opposed to Israel because of their abuse of power.
I myself have a hard time understanding why you would support a side that's being run by a terrorist organization, Hamas. Also the fact that Palestinians have been focusing attacks on Israeli civilians a lot disgusts me.

But both sides have done bad things and it's hard to appoint 'the good one', but which side do you favor?

(try to keep discussion civil)

Don't really know enough about the history of the whole Israel area to pick a side, but about the terrorist thing I just have to say "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".

With my current knowledge about it all, I'd go with Palestine.

Edit: why Palestine? because the media in my country has made Israel look like the bully and Palestine the simple folk just trying to live their lives.

inbe4thelock ?

Both countries are bad. Both of them are guilty for the current situation. Theres no a good side. They both war each other. Both wont stop this. And to be honest, I don`t understand why. They`ve been in a war status for years now. Each time they came to a decision to make peace, it failed thanks to the dumb government in both countries.

PS. I`m from Israel..

Israel =/
I kinda look up to them for being able to turn that rundown desert territory into something like a mini heaven resort .

but in the end, anyone who wages war over religion is a whiny bitch

Kah00ner wrote:inbe4thelock ?

theres no reason for it to be.

I can't really blame one more than the other. Warmongers both. I favor the common people of both, people who just want to live their lives in peace.

Palestine ofcourse, Israel shouldn't have been there in the first place.

They're making Palestine pay for the mistakes Europe has made in the past.

Israël, pushing the Palestine out of their land cuz 'god gave it to them' was wrong but the way Palestine retaliate is alot worse IMO.

Israel.

woutR wrote:So my mother and I got into a discussion yesterday about Palestine and Israel and it made me realize we all have sort of chosen a side in the Israel - Palestine conflict.

I am personally more drawn to support Israel. My mother was very opposed to Israel because of their abuse of power.
I myself have a hard time understanding why you would support a side that's being run by a terrorist organization, Hamas. Also the fact that Palestinians have been focusing attacks on Israeli civilians a lot disgusts me.

But both sides have done bad things and it's hard to appoint 'the good one', but which side do you favor?

(try to keep discussion civil)

Because you know nothing about Palestine and Israeli conflict

Second, Palestine is not running by Terrorist, but by people who lost their hope their faith their country, they are filled with anger and hate and pain, Don't you ever wonder why they are acting like this? cause they like it? No because they have no choice.

Yes Israeli abuse their power thats not news, You did read the last news? they didn't want a independent research in conflict area, I wonder why.

And please, i mean please close this thread before some dump people start to flame, and things go bad.

they've been killing each other even before jesus was born. fcking warmongerers. Anyways, the root of the problem lies in the fact that the western powers in the mid 20th century just spontaneously decided to unfairly put israel's land smack dab in the middle of someone else's country (aka palestine) and started all the trouble.

the only people who will take sides here are israelis, palestinians, and america. everyone else knows that they are incapable of peace.

asusi wrote:Because you know nothing about Palestine and Israeli conflict


And please, i mean please close this thread before some dump people start to flame, and things go bad.

Some 'dump' people like you? Don't be a hypocrite and warn about flamers when you start it yourself.

But educate me if I know nothing about this conflict according to you.
Just because you lose hope it doesn't mean it's a good reason to resort to terrorism.

woutR wrote:

asusi wrote:Because you know nothing about Palestine and Israeli conflict


And please, i mean please close this thread before some dump people start to flame, and things go bad.

Some 'dump' people like you? Don't be a hypocrite and warn about flamers when you start it yourself.

But educate me if I know nothing about this conflict according to you.
Just because you lose hope it doesn't mean it's a good reason to resort to terrorism.

If that was flaming than that is the most civilized flaming that asusi has ever done. You should be proud rather than trying to enflame him more.

Terrorism? Hypothetically speaking, If some group of asshole superpowers arbitrarily decided to make another country smack dab in the middle of the US paint me red-white-and-blue and call me a terrorist because I'll be damned if I let them get away with it. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, I sympathize with Palestine and don't think America should subsidize warmongers.

CeLL wrote:If that was flaming than that is the most civilized flaming that asusi has ever done. You should be proud rather than trying to enflame him more.

Ok not flaming but it's not exactly nice to just hear groundless shit that I apparently don't know anything about it.
Last time I checked, Asusi wasn't a palestine/jew either so afaik he doesn't have any special insight that I should be lacking.
Just because I can't support Hamas (newsflash: half of the world does not support Hamas) it doesn't mean I don't understand what's going on.

Also, Hamas isn't a terrorist organization because it just fights actively for the liberation of all of Palestine. They subsidize suicide bombers, openly support it. Approve of (or deny) the holocaust and are completely anti semitic.
Not to mention there are suspicions of connections with Al Qaeda. Most likely, your own country sees Hamas as a terrorist group.
There is nothing patriotic about this.

There is not a situation where "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". They just are clear cut terrorists.
I'll try to find the (Dutch) documentary about how Hamas deals with their own civilians who oppose of the intifada. Spoiler alert: they didn't even live to finish the documentary.

woutR wrote:

CeLL wrote:If that was flaming than that is the most civilized flaming that asusi has ever done. You should be proud rather than trying to enflame him more.

Ok not flaming but it's not exactly nice to just hear groundless shit that I apparently don't know anything about it.
Last time I checked, Asusi wasn't a palestine/jew either so afaik he doesn't have any special insight that I should be lacking.
Just because I can't support Hamas (newsflash: half of the world does not support Hamas) it doesn't mean I don't understand what's going on.

Also, Hamas isn't a terrorist organization because it just fights actively for the liberation of all of Palestine. They subsidize suicide bombers, openly support it. Approve of (or deny) the holocaust and are completely anti semitic.
Not to mention there are suspicions of connections with Al Qaeda. Most likely, your own country sees Hamas as a terrorist group.
There is nothing patriotic about this.

There is not a situation where "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". They just are clear cut terrorists.
I'll try to find the (Dutch) documentary about how Hamas deals with their own civilians who oppose of the intifada. Spoiler alert: they didn't even live to finish the documentary.

he may not be palistinian but i believe his religion is the same basic as theres so im sure hed defend them till the end. perfectly understandable. that whole areas gonna be a big warzone in the next 20 years anyways.

I don't think Palestina's are Islamic...haha I'm not sure xD

Barotix wrote:Terrorism? Hypothetically speaking, If some group of asshole superpowers arbitrarily decided to make another country smack dab in the middle of the US paint me red-white-and-blue and call me a terrorist because I'll be damned if I let them get away with it. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, I sympathize with Palestine and don't think America should subsidize warmongers.

Actually, "palestine" was not a country, it was British territory.

woutR wrote:

asusi wrote:Because you know nothing about Palestine and Israeli conflict


And please, i mean please close this thread before some dump people start to flame, and things go bad.

Some 'dump' people like you? Don't be a hypocrite and warn about flamers when you start it yourself.

But educate me if I know nothing about this conflict according to you.
Just because you lose hope it doesn't mean it's a good reason to resort to terrorism.

I want to know what are you gonna do if you were Palestinian? you don't have to be politician to know this, am i right bro? The same goes for Israeli people, perfect understandable, but if you want to discus or talk about this issue i invite you to talk in "dutch" pm me your email if you really interested.

Barotix wrote:Terrorism? Hypothetically speaking, If some group of asshole superpowers arbitrarily decided to make another country smack dab in the middle of the US paint me red-white-and-blue and call me a terrorist because I'll be damned if I let them get away with it. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, I sympathize with Palestine and don't think America should subsidize warmongers.

i would give you a kiss if you were here in real life.

asusi wrote:

Barotix wrote:Terrorism? Hypothetically speaking, If some group of asshole superpowers arbitrarily decided to make another country smack dab in the middle of the US paint me red-white-and-blue and call me a terrorist because I'll be damned if I let them get away with it. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, I sympathize with Palestine and don't think America should subsidize warmongers.

i would give you a kiss if you were here in real life.

You can have him once I'm done with him....

Tasdik wrote:

asusi wrote:

Barotix wrote:Terrorism? Hypothetically speaking, If some group of asshole superpowers arbitrarily decided to make another country smack dab in the middle of the US paint me red-white-and-blue and call me a terrorist because I'll be damned if I let them get away with it. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, I sympathize with Palestine and don't think America should subsidize warmongers.

i would give you a kiss if you were here in real life.

You can have him once I'm done with him....

haha and i do believe your gonna get him,,, zohan!!

Palestine ofc. Too me its pretty clear,you can't just force a group of people to gtfo from where they have been living...

I have lived in Israel, an I'ma have to go Palestine.

Barotix wrote:Terrorism? Hypothetically speaking, If some group of asshole superpowers arbitrarily decided to make another country smack dab in the middle of the US paint me red-white-and-blue and call me a terrorist because I'll be damned if I let them get away with it. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, I sympathize with Palestine and don't think America should subsidize warmongers.

this...not to mention Israel has been accused of warcrimes and attacking civilians SEVERAL times leading up to a UN investigation condemning it. So to all those people that posted Palestine is going about it the wrong way, Israel's hands aren't any cleaner so that's a baseless argument. I think the situation has gotten out of hand but its only been made worse by the type of support Israel gets regardless of the terrible things they do while Palestinians get no support from first world nations causing them to turn to the only people who will help them.

shoot em all, and let God sort it out...

CloudStrider wrote:I have lived in Israel, an I'ma have to go Palestine.

why? what makes you say that?

Barotix wrote:Terrorism? Hypothetically speaking, If some group of asshole superpowers arbitrarily decided to make another country smack dab in the middle of the US paint me red-white-and-blue and call me a terrorist because I'll be damned if I let them get away with it. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, I sympathize with Palestine and don't think America should subsidize warmongers.

Agreed

Both sides are guilty of various things one could call "war crimes."

My beef with Israel is that they don't get called out for it, and they have the backing of some of the most powerful nations in the world. I've also seen a lot of just generally discriminate behavior on the behalf of Israeli people. There seems to be a lot of folks over there who believe they are superior almost to a point of sheer racism(?) against Palestinians.

IMO they can do what they need to against terrorism, but they do have a lot of support from powerful nations and that means to me that they have no business carrying themselves the way they do. Nothing personal to anyone here who may be from that part of the world, this is just the image I have as an American of the situation.

Not taking sides but I don't think the U.S. should've got in between the conflict, kinda made me sympathize more for Palestine.

Ownage wrote:Not taking sides but I don't think the U.S. should've got in between the conflict, kinda made me sympathize more for Palestine.

too bad america won't ever stop backing israel because there are so many jews in congress.