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Now i often take a peak in most threads about computers in the otl section and its a 50/50 situation sometimes you get good discussion and meaningful tips other times you get utter shit

Right now my current Computer is
Motherboard: M4N78-PRO
Processor: AMD Phenom x4
GFX Card: nVidea Geforce 8800gt 1gb
PSU: Cheap one less then 500w
Sound Card: Sound Blaster
RAM: Corsair 800MhZ 2x2Gb
Not upgrading DvD drive or hdd anytime soon so not gona list


Now right now i have 2 new parts incoming
Antec Truepower TP-650 (PSU)
Corsair Dominator 2x2Gb 1066Mhz

My question is what order should i upgrade next 2 things im thinking about are
AMD Phenom 2 x4
nVidea GT300 Fermi (when its out)

what would you suggest i get next or anything else that i can add to my sytem besides what i listed

just upgrade video card for now, honestly you should get an i series intel

what comes after the Phenom 2 x4?

as for the graphics right now ati is ahead of the game at this moment. not sure if nvidia will pull ahead with their next set.

BlackFox898 wrote:just upgrade video card for now, honestly you should get an i series intel

That probably means a mobo upgrade. I don't think you'll miss anything with an AMD.

im not after a hardcore computer the amd chips might not be as good as the i series but are stil good chips which are good for overclocking, as for ati never really liked them they dont seem to do anything original fermi or gt300 will be the first dx11 card on the market but as said im not sure what thats gona be like

and i should have mentioned im not doing more upgrades til march this is just information that i can use to make the right choice

should also add the motherboard is new i fried the old asus m3a-pro board accidently needed to replace so i got an upgrade while replacing as this one sports AM3 support while m3a dont

the i's are a bit much for gaming and normal day to day operations....

in fact i have this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819103706 yet i have no problems with games or normal day to day applications..... sure winrar might unpack something faster with an i7 but is it worth the extra $200?

anyways i would recommend the Phenom II X4 955 if you have an am3 board it will do wonders for you. also its a black edition so the multiplier is unlocked (if you like to overclock). i used to be an intel fan until i built my own system with a AMD cpu.

Amarisa wrote:the i's are a bit much for gaming and normal day to day operations....

in fact i have this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819103706 yet i have no problems with games or normal day to day applications..... sure winrar might unpack something faster with an i7 but is it worth the extra $200?

anyways i would recommend the Phenom II X4 955 if you have an am3 board it will do wonders for you. also its a black edition so the multiplier is unlocked (if you like to overclock). i used to be an intel fan until i built my own system with a AMD cpu.

yeh the black edition was the one iv been looking at not sure in what order i should get things though i think my gfx is the most out-dated thing in the computer atm but fermi might be overkill if not for performance it will be for price thats for sure

[SD]Master_Wong wrote:yeh the black edition was the one iv been looking at not sure in what order i should get things though i think my gfx is the most out-dated thing in the computer atm but fermi might be overkill if not for performance it will be for price thats for sure

fermi is way over kill..it'll bottle neck for sure on what you're running/going to run.

Oh damn, I've been out of the pc hardware loop for awhile. Fermi is indeed a beast...wow.

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*sorry for the offtopic..

BlackFox898 wrote:just upgrade video card for now, honestly you should get an i series intel

agreed.

ryan1166 wrote:

BlackFox898 wrote:just upgrade video card for now, honestly you should get an i series intel

agreed.

This is pretty much gona cost the same as a total rebuild let me elaberate

For the i-series

New motherboard
possibly new ram
new processor
new video card

im looking at steady upgrades eventually i will want to get a new processor (after phenom II x4) then this can be justified

my next upgrade is in march i would like a dx11 gfx card cus dx10 or ati's dx10.9 (which they market as dx11 cards) will go out of date too fast as we are on the verge of mass new cards coming out granted getting an older card isnt bad seeing as this 8800 plays all games that are out 99% in high settings

[SD]Master_Wong wrote:

ryan1166 wrote:

BlackFox898 wrote:just upgrade video card for now, honestly you should get an i series intel

agreed.

This is pretty much gona cost the same as a total rebuild let me elaberate

For the i-series

New motherboard
possibly new ram
new processor
new video card

$300 cpu mobo bundles on newegg can get you into the i5's which are actually quite impressive. but this doesn't matter, i still say you should get a new graphics card, sure dx9 and 10 will be legacy but is dx11 really gonna storm the market? there is only about 20 or so noticeable game that use dx10. this isn't even the point, those nvidia cards (however very powerful but ludicrously overpriced) are coming out in Q2 2010. you want something now buy ATI's 5800 series

BlackFox898 wrote:$300 cpu mobo bundles on newegg can get you into the i5's which are actually quite impressive. but this doesn't matter, i still say you should get a new graphics card, sure dx9 and 10 will be legacy but is dx11 really gonna storm the market? there is only about 20 or so noticeable game that use dx10. this isn't even the point, those nvidia cards (however very powerful but ludicrously overpriced) are coming out in Q2 2010. you want something now buy ATI's 5800 series

march is the release date for the fermi thats around my next upgrade time

Get a better PSU, i'd suggest a 750+ watt AAA-brand like corsair or something. Those videocards can be hungry, and if you decide to upgrade even more later you might have to buy a new PSU.

maxietheboss wrote:Get a better PSU, i'd suggest a 750+ watt AAA-brand like corsair or something. Those videocards can be hungry, and if you decide to upgrade even more later you might have to buy a new PSU.

iv got a 650watt psu with over 85% efficiency which iv worked out is more then i need a lot mroe then i need it will and can cover fermi if i get that card so no worrys about that

I'd upgrade graphics and processor next, just like you said.
Maybe mobo + processor combo. I prefer intel over AMD, but your choice.

woutR wrote:I'd upgrade graphics and processor next, just like you said.
Maybe mobo + processor combo. I prefer intel over AMD, but your choice.

i dont know why but iv prefered AMD although as said before intel are ahead of the game until AMD brings out its new chip

liquid nitro cooling system.

CeLL wrote:

liquid nitro cooling system.

is that the EVGA sli x3 or the quad sli board, anyway it is a monster.
I might be going watercooling for my processor soon

[SD]Master_Wong wrote:my next upgrade is in march i would like a dx11 gfx card cus dx10 or ati's dx10.9 (which they market as dx11 cards) will go out of date too fast as we are on the verge of mass new cards coming out granted getting an older card isnt bad seeing as this 8800 plays all games that are out 99% in high settings

I completely disagree. DX 10 was probably the worst upgrade I've ever made..Very, very few games made good use of it and I seriously doubt any direct x 11 based games will pop out within the next 1-2 years..

dx10 and ddr3 memory..waste of time when they came out and even years after.

Azilius wrote:

[SD]Master_Wong wrote:my next upgrade is in march i would like a dx11 gfx card cus dx10 or ati's dx10.9 (which they market as dx11 cards) will go out of date too fast as we are on the verge of mass new cards coming out granted getting an older card isnt bad seeing as this 8800 plays all games that are out 99% in high settings

I completely disagree. DX 10 was probably the worst upgrade I've ever made..Very, very few games made good use of it and I seriously doubt any direct x 11 based games will pop out within the next 1-2 years..

dx10 and ddr3 memory..waste of time when they came out and even years after.

well this is a 50/50 subject i dont just play games and having a good gfx benefits me in 3d moddeling namlly the rendering phase which is taxing enough i want to get a good card pref dx11 when they are out as this computer is gona be upgrading in a number of ways over the next year so even if the gfx card i get bottle necks on my curret setup it wont by december

Given the i7s are better but look at the price. I run a Phenom II X3. And it doesnt have any issues at all with any games. They are strong and AMD got everything right with these, unlike the first Phenoms.

Azilius wrote:

[SD]Master_Wong wrote:my next upgrade is in march i would like a dx11 gfx card cus dx10 or ati's dx10.9 (which they market as dx11 cards) will go out of date too fast as we are on the verge of mass new cards coming out granted getting an older card isnt bad seeing as this 8800 plays all games that are out 99% in high settings

I completely disagree. DX 10 was probably the worst upgrade I've ever made..Very, very few games made good use of it and I seriously doubt any direct x 11 based games will pop out within the next 1-2 years..

dx10 and ddr3 memory..waste of time when they came out and even years after.

Battlefield Bad Company 2 comes out in March, beta in a few days. It supports DX11.

Supports =/= makes full use of

Can barely tell the difference between dx10 and dx9

Azilius wrote:Supports =/= makes full use of

Can barely tell the difference between dx10 and dx9

No, BFBC2 worked exclusively with ATI to make it not just "support". It was originally "just support" like you say until they got together with ATI. Sure DX9->10 wasn't a big deal.. however, have you seen DX11 yet?

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BFBC2 may not use it to its MAX potential, we'll have to see. Beta in a few days.

EvGa wrote:

Azilius wrote:Supports =/= makes full use of

Can barely tell the difference between dx10 and dx9

No, BFBC2 worked exclusively with ATI to make it not just "support". It was originally "just support" like you say until they got together with ATI. Sure DX9->10 wasn't a big deal.. however, have you seen DX11 yet?

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BFBC2 may not use it to its MAX potential, we'll have to see. Beta in a few days.

doubt it makes much difference in bfbc2 and your video is utterly pointless i mean seriously its what we already knew except bad quality and a guy narating

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least post the right video

I've seen the tessellation videos. Have you seen the dx10 from dx9 videos and images? All of them were exaggerations..I believe nothing until I play the game myself.

Dear Master_wong, I was replying to azilius. My reply wasn't to you so, yes, it is "utterly useless" to you. Also, I like the narration, gasp. You mad bro? You not get your meds bro? Bro, what's wrong?

Jesus.

EDIT @ Azilius, I agree, I was just pointing out that that there is already a game claiming to make full use of DX11. That is all.

Azilius wrote:I completely disagree. DX 10 was probably the worst upgrade I've ever made..Very, very few games made good use of it and I seriously doubt any direct x 11 based games will pop out within the next 1-2 years..

dx10 and ddr3 memory..waste of time when they came out and even years after.

People would be foolish to believe 11 will be any different.

I don't really see myself giving a shit about graphics, ever. Quake 3 engine has graphics that are totally fine.
I find that 'better' graphics are sometimes even a nuisance because of how everything starts to 'shine' in high graphic games. Roads and stuff like that does not reflect light like a goddamn mirror!

But sorry for going OT.