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English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:48 am
by Mirosuke
mine is bad. any good site where i can practice?
not only reading, i want to do some exercise too.

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:13 am
by CrimsonNuker
You can start with capitals ;P

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:40 am
by Heosphoros
Mirosuke wrote:My grammar is bad, Does anyone know a good site where I can practice my grammar?
Not only reading, I want to also do some exercises too.


Fixed. Maybe... I'm pretty bad as well.

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:46 am
by CrimsonNuker
Heosphoros wrote:
Mirosuke wrote:My grammar is bad. Does anyone know a good site where I can practice my grammar?
Not just reading comprehension, but some exercises too.


Fixed, but I'm pretty bad at grammar also.


Fixed.

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:10 am
by woutR
Well this forum is a lot of exercise. I use Firefox which has a built in spell check, that way I also learn from my mistakes and can correct them easily.
I've learned loads from just the spell check. (For example, I thought it was 'spellcheck', but apparently they're two single words, spell check. In Dutch, these kind of words are typically brought together in one word.)

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:16 am
by CrimsonNuker
If it wasn't for this forum and the internet in general, my grammar and vocabulary would still be worse than shitty lol

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:51 am
by Heosphoros
CrimsonNuker wrote:If it wasn't for this forum and the internet in general, my grammar and vocabulary would still be worse than shitty lol


Sometimes I feel like i owe it to the 'internet' for my,hm...basically, everything. I'm the 'smartshit' I am today from the internet, but with the internet, also comes my compulsive retarded side :D

I take that back, I blame /b/.

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:58 pm
by cpinney
i suggest just writing here, honestly i am surprised at how well all of you write, some even better then me :\

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:01 pm
by [SD]Master_Wong
For good grammar, you only need to learn the basic rules. These basic rules are; sentence structure, spelling, capitals and paragraphs.

Here is a quick example

John was walking down the road, with his belly hanging over his trousers, to go to the shops.
Note the comma's before and after the comma's are the important part of the sentence, without which it does not make sense, the middle part can be removed.

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:33 pm
by Devilman
cpinney wrote:i suggest just writing here, honestly i am surprised at how well all of you write, some even better then me :\

Don't be sad, a lot of Americans that I knew had their grammar worse than my 7 year old sister ;)

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:58 pm
by woutR
cpinney wrote:i suggest just writing here, honestly i am surprised at how well all of you write, some even better then me :\


8)

soz 4 gay, just had to.

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:19 pm
by Melez
CrimsonNuker wrote:If it wasn't for this forum and the internet in general, my grammar and vocabulary would still be worse than shitty lol


Same. However I only speak english on the internet so

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:25 pm
by poehalcho
While we're at it, can someone inform me about punctuation >__<?

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:32 pm
by Muse
I've studied in the US for 2 years and that's what helped me start the foundation for my English speaking/writing. I'd say my Luxembourgish and my English are at the same level. :)

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:44 pm
by cpinney
woutR wrote:
cpinney wrote:i suggest just writing here, honestly i am surprised at how well all of you write, some even better then me :\


8)

soz 4 gay, just had to.

SEE SEE!!!!

lol, its really the education system, i was never taught spelling or grammar, all that mattered was the material and substance to the writing, so yeah spell check saves me, a lot. lol.

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:46 pm
by Devilman
poehalcho wrote:While we're at it, can someone inform me about punctuation >__<?

What about it?

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:19 pm
by Juicy
I'd like to say the internet has helped me do better with spelling and grammar.

Looking at my first posts on this forum, I could hardly understand what I was trying to ask or say. Lol.

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:27 pm
by poehalcho
Devilman wrote:
poehalcho wrote:While we're at it, can someone inform me about punctuation >__<?

What about it?


Where to place all the commas and periods, etc.

like...above, I probably made a mistake with the comma (and in this row too).

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:41 pm
by woutR
I don't really think there are set rules in when you need to use a comma.
In Dutch, a comma is typically placed before 'maar','hoewel' and 'echter'.

I personally use the comma way too much, (there I go again) I don't really know why. Somewhere along the road it just got into my writing style.
Just use it where you think it feels right :)

edit: good example of wrong and excessive usage of comma's viewtopic.php?f=12&t=119135

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:25 pm
by Azilius
[SD]Master_Wong wrote:For good grammar, you only need to learn the basic rules. These basic rules are; sentence structure, spelling, capitals and paragraphs.

Here is a quick example

John was walking down the road, with his belly hanging over his trousers, to go to the shops.
Note the comma's before and after the comma's are the important part of the sentence, without which it does not make sense, the middle part can be removed.


Holy crap what? That sentence and then the sentence explaining it are both wrong.

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:32 pm
by Deadsolid
http://www.chompchomp.com/

This site looks pretty solid. I tried to find a place that would start you off with a few intro to English lessons, but to no avail. You seem to have a firm grasp of the language so I think you can handle this stuff. Message me and let me know how it goes if you use it.

Good luck.


Edit:
Azilius wrote:
[SD]Master_Wong wrote:John was walking down the road, with his belly hanging over his trousers, to go to the shops.
Note the comma's before and after the comma's are the important part of the sentence, without which it does not make sense, the middle part can be removed.


Holy crap what? That sentence and then the sentence explaining it are both wrong.


I'm strongly considering reporting that post for incorrect English in a "help me with my English" topic.

"With his belly hanging over his trousers" is not a dependent clause. It is a prep phrase. No commas. Same with the second sentence.
A sentence with a dependent clause would be: "Charlie Daniels, a mean fiddle player, is my favorite.
"A mean fiddle player," can not stand alone; it is a dependent clause and needs to be surrounded by commas.

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:47 pm
by Mirosuke
Ok, lol.
Yeah, i know here is a good place to practice. But if people keep 'fixing' others, it could ending on a flame war.

But anyways, feel free to correct me if i get something wrong.
Because i'm moving, and the admision test for that college is an English Test, basically.

Oh, and cpinney is right. We have people between us with great lexic and grammar where we can learn from. :)

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:14 am
by Dystopia
Mirosuke wrote:mine is bad. any good site where i can practice?
not only reading, i want to do some exercise too.


This would be a good place to start.

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:14 am
by Crowley
Miro, that's Engrish to you.

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:26 am
by Heosphoros
i before e, except after c.

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:29 am
by Ashikiheyun
Someone asked about comma usage. I'm usually a comma whore, I use them way too much, and my sentences end up going on, and on, and on. But one thing that always stuck for me is from my sophomore year English class was FANBOYS. For, And, Nor, But, Or, Yet, So. If you see one of those words, a comma before them is usually called for. Here is a good site for an explanation of your FANBOYS.

Edit: For every rule in the English language, there's about five to ten exceptions, it's quite annoying.

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:32 am
by dom
[SD]Master_Wong wrote:These basic rules are; sentence structure, spelling, capitals and paragraphs.


In this case we would employ a colon (:).

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:47 am
by Dystopia
dom wrote:
[SD]Master_Wong wrote:These basic rules are; sentence structure, spelling, capitals and paragraphs.


In this case we would employ a colon (:).


The period goes inside the bracket when ending sentences.

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:54 am
by cpinney
Dystopia wrote:
dom wrote:
[SD]Master_Wong wrote:These basic rules are; sentence structure, spelling, capitals and paragraphs.


In this case we would employ a colon (:).


The period goes inside the bracket when ending sentences.

Re: English Grammar

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:24 am
by [SD]Master_Wong
dom wrote:
[SD]Master_Wong wrote:These basic rules are; sentence structure, spelling, capitals and paragraphs.


In this case we would employ a colon (:).


if im not mistaken i can employ (;) as im not breaking the sentence then, but im not 100%. Ahh **** this my grammar has never been good no point trying to employ what i think i know i know for the most part i can write correctly but not perfectly i do need to learn though but rather not type perfect on a forum easier to be lazy and omit full stops.