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Discussion about Gays and their Rights. Mature ONLY! 18+ pls
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:20 am
by Goseki
How can they think it's right for them to do that? They quote the Bible saying that it is forbidden and that they should not associate with sinners, but it's one thing to not associate and another to judge and discriminate against.
Doesn't it also say in the Bible and is a very well known passage, "Let he who hath no sin cast the first stone?" Or something like that. Jesus was wise enough to talk and help the prostitute by the well when everyone else wouldn't. Shouldn't we have learned from that? It's one thing to tell a gay, hey you should come to Church and see how happy we are living the way we do, and another thing to go around trying to get laws pass to have your way by force. Jesus didn't make the prostitute give up her ways by casting fire down from the heaven.
Another excuse I'm tired of is marriage is a sacred institution. Mormons seem to be fine with having multiple wives so sacred my ass. Considering the percent of marriages that end up failing now-a-days and how many end up with abusive relationship, I don't really see how sacred it can still be considered.
For anyone out there that's against marriage, could you please think about your reasons and post them? Like actual reasons, not "My mommy told me to hate them and not let them be married."
EDIT: Changed title to be more encompassing, added 18+
Please try to keep this clean and a constructive discussion. I don't really want kids coming in spamming **** SUCK NUTS, BURN IN HELL! or stupid shit like that. If you want to do that, go to GD.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:28 am
by Sharp324
More of a moral thing for me. I dont care about gays though long as they don't bother me. Marriage though should be sacred, between 1 man and 1 woman, anything else it doesn't count as marriage.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:30 am
by Reise
The same way they thought it was right to discriminate against blacks.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:47 am
by inky
1. Don't generalize - Christians are people who are free to pick and choose "good" and "bad" things from their religion. I know a couple of gay people who are welcomed in their Church. Although, I find it a little funny when a lot (not all) of the same people who welcome them deny their right to be equals (with regards to their right to marry).
2. Most of the things in the Bible are very abstract and broad - open for interpretation. Some people would justify their 'hatred' for homosexuality by quoting passages from their holy book. (
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gay/long.htm) I'm not saying I condone homophobia but it's there.
3. Christianity isn't the only religion to marginalize homosexuals. Funny enough, we don't hear a lot of negative fuss over girl-on-girl action. We market that shit on TV! =D
Come on man. We've already seen thousands of threads/rants similar to this. This is why I stay away from religion. If some people look to it for moral guidance and 'spiritual'/emotional support, fine; but I don't need it. There's just too much unnecessary crap to go along with it - it's like a f
ucking senate bill.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:47 am
by Love
because religion is real and people who follow it are rational.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:51 am
by Sacchin
Christians claim it's wrong and marriage is "sacred". So how "sacred" is marriage when 2 celebrities get married then divorced within 3 days? Yeah, that's keeping it "sacred".
I'm a christian and I'm for gay marriage. If you truly love someone, who gives a fuck what sex they/you are.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:54 am
by -.-
don't listen to the priests... most of the ones on the news are for molesting little boys... they dont have problems with underaged homosexual action but dont like it when 2 adults do it :S
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:05 am
by EvGa
Love wrote:because religion is real and people who follow it are rational.
+1 lol.
I honestly don't care, but keep the touchy feely shit out of public areas. That goes for homo and hetero couples, I really don't want to see it.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:15 am
by PhoenixRider
I'm Muslim and it comes down to a simple fact of it not being natural. Scientifically speaking, there is no such thing as a gay gene and it's simply a behavior that is picked up at a young age. It's an unfortunate behavior that is absolutely unnatural.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:16 am
by dom
PhoenixRider wrote:I'm Muslim and it comes down to a simple fact of it not being natural. Scientifically speaking, there is no such thing as a gay gene and it's simply a behavior that is picked up at a young age. It's an unfortunate behavior that is absolutely unnatural.
My dog likes other guy dogs.
Walking on 2 legs is unnatural. It causes great stress to our bodies. Do you think we should start walking on 4 legs? Or do you just disregard that because acknowledging that would mean acknowledging evolution.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:29 am
by strangelove
dom wrote:My dog likes other guy dogs.
Walking on 2 legs is unnatural. It causes great stress to our bodies. Do you think we should start walking on 4 legs? Or do you just disregard that because acknowledging that would mean acknowledging evolution.
Your dog is awesome.PhoenixRider wrote:I'm Muslim and it comes down to a simple fact of it not being natural. Scientifically speaking, there is no such thing as a gay gene and it's simply a behavior that is picked up at a young age. It's an unfortunate behavior that is absolutely unnatural.
Many Muslims practice the social custom of circumcising young muslim womens' genitalia at a young age in order to stop them from having an enjoyable sexual life, which turns out to be an extremely painful experience when they do have sex. Scientifically speaking, circumcisions are not natural.
Sharp324 wrote:More of a moral thing for me. I dont care about gays though long as they don't bother me. Marriage though should be sacred, between 1 man and 1 woman, anything else it doesn't count as marriage.
If marriage is so sacred, you would think the bible thumpers would go after outlawing divorce first.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:37 am
by EvGa
PhoenixRider wrote:I'm Muslim and it comes down to a simple fact of it not being natural. Scientifically speaking, there is no such thing as a gay gene and it's simply a behavior that is picked up at a young age. It's an unfortunate behavior that is absolutely unnatural.
I'm human and it comes down to a simple fact that there is not a lot of evidence to support either side of this matter.
I'm going to lean toward biological and environmental influences though..
BUT, what about the researchers who were able to alter fruit fly genes, rendering the male flies "gay" ?
dom wrote:Walking on 2 legs is unnatural. It causes great stress to our bodies. Do you think we should start walking on 4 legs? Or do you just disregard that because acknowledging that would mean acknowledging evolution.
That's insane, the earth was created 6000 years ago, give or take a few.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:38 am
by Sharp324
Fug_Dup wrote:If marriage is so sacred, you would think the bible thumpers would go after outlawing divorce first.[/color]
I said it has to do with morals, not religion. Thats what I feel, and yeah divorcing is stupid. I honestly dont care about one religion or the other, its whats important to me. And love and family means a lot to me. I would do anything for the one i love and marriage with that one is sacred to me.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:45 am
by Love
PhoenixRider wrote:I'm Muslim and it comes down to a simple fact of it not being natural. Scientifically speaking, there is no such thing as a gay gene and it's simply a behavior that is picked up at a young age. It's an unfortunate behavior that is absolutely unnatural.
this man speaks science his logic is undeniable ( dont let him see you facepalm... ).
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:46 am
by TOloseGT
lol, i love the "homosexuality isn't natural" card.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:50 am
by Goseki
PhoenixRider wrote:I'm Muslim and it comes down to a simple fact of it not being natural. Scientifically speaking, there is no such thing as a gay gene and it's simply a behavior that is picked up at a young age. It's an unfortunate behavior that is absolutely unnatural.
If you think gay isn't genetically linked or is "unnatural," think again. It's actually been proven many times that homosexuality is a common thing in nature. Whenever a population becomes scarce, heterosexuality is almost unanimous. However, once the population rises so there is overcrowding, the presence of homosexuality rises very quickly.
A great example comes to mind in my genetics class. It's actually part of nature's system to help control the growth rate. It's also the reason we see it much more often in large societies. Animals do this too. Mice were first put in a cage and allowed to reproduce. Once the mice crowded the cage, there were many mice that started attempting to mate with the same sex. It's not that they're confused, it's just part of nature as a way to curve the growth rate of a population.
So the argument that it's unnatural and isn't part of genetics is false. Unless your idea of what is natural doesn't have to do with nature, but what your culture views as normal.
I know some other religion are against gay marriage, it's just that Christianity is very prevalent here in the US so I wanted to talk about it.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:55 am
by strangelove
Sharp324 wrote:I said it has to do with morals, not religion. Thats what I feel, and yeah divorcing is stupid. I honestly dont care about one religion or the other, its whats important to me. And love and family means a lot to me. I would do anything for the one i love and marriage with that one is sacred to me.
Yes, morality, but what kind of moral is that which gives you the special treatment, allowing you to have that happiness in the first place and no one else for the trivial fact that one of the partners has the wrong genitalia? More to the point, how does one get such nonsensical morals if not through religious influence or upbringing? I'm glad to see that you have such a passion for your loved ones, but I guess my only issue with you is that you wouldn't want that happiness for others for some obscure moral imperative you hold.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:17 am
by Squirt
The same way we can all hate Lil Wayne's Music with a burning passion.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:27 am
by TheDrop
here we go again!
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:16 am
by Sharp324
Fug_Dup wrote:Sharp324 wrote:I said it has to do with morals, not religion. Thats what I feel, and yeah divorcing is stupid. I honestly dont care about one religion or the other, its whats important to me. And love and family means a lot to me. I would do anything for the one i love and marriage with that one is sacred to me.
Yes, morality, but what kind of moral is that which gives you the special treatment, allowing you to have that happiness in the first place and no one else for the trivial fact that one of the partners has the wrong genitalia? More to the point, how does one get such nonsensical morals if not through religious influence or upbringing? I'm glad to see that you have such a passion for your loved ones, but I guess my only issue with you is that you wouldn't want that happiness for others for some obscure moral imperative you hold.
Obviously you don't read, you know people can have their OWN morals without it being tied to others. What special treatment are you talking about, i said to ME. MARRIAGE to me, should be between a man and woman, cause of what it means to ME. Idc what it means to others, it will mean the same to me even if gays are married. Just cause my morals don't make sense to you doesn't mean they aren't valid, the morals are mine not some religion. Like i said i just don't care what gays do, but marriage will always be between a man and woman to me. Are you gay though, really fighting hard for this, fighting against someones personal beliefs.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:35 am
by XemnasXD
Sharp324 wrote:Fug_Dup wrote:If marriage is so sacred, you would think the bible thumpers would go after outlawing divorce first.[/color]
I said it has to do with morals, not religion. Thats what I feel, and yeah divorcing is stupid. I honestly dont care about one religion or the other,
its whats important to me. And love and family means a lot to me. I would do anything for the one i love and marriage with that one is sacred to me.
And here is where i sit and think what wonders empathy could do for all mankind. That people who share such similar morals should find themselves on opposite sides of the argument is wonder and a shame.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:31 am
by Sharp324
XemnasXD wrote:
And here is where i sit and think what wonders empathy could do for all mankind. That people who share such similar morals should find themselves on opposite sides of the argument is wonder and a shame.
When I was typing that, was wondering if you were gonna chime in.
But I'll think about what you said.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:05 am
by MrJoey
I say we ditch Muslim/Christianity etc... and go back to worshiping the Greek Gods.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:16 am
by Fuzzy
As long a gay marriage doesnt affect yours its fine. If they stay together their marriage is also "sacred"...
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:03 am
by Love
sharp your response to this thread deserves some kind words, ill get to it tomorrow.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:28 am
by marijnz0r
I'm from The Netherlands, so pretty much anything is allowed here.
Most of the people here are just raised with the idea that you can do anything you want, so I think it should be allowed.
Why not?
If 2 people love each other, let them marry
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:30 am
by John_Doe
Besides the economic benefits of marriage, I don't really see the point of it.
MrJoey wrote:I say we ditch Muslim/Christianity etc... and go back to worshiping the Greek Gods.
+1 Totally
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:04 am
by strangelove
Sharp324 wrote:Obviously you don't read, you know people can have their OWN morals without it being tied to others. What special treatment are you talking about, i said to ME. MARRIAGE to me, should be between a man and woman, cause of what it means to ME. Idc what it means to others, it will mean the same to me even if gays are married. Just cause my morals don't make sense to you doesn't mean they aren't valid, the morals are mine not some religion. Like i said i just don't care what gays do, but marriage will always be between a man and woman to me. Are you gay though, really fighting hard for this, fighting against someones personal beliefs.
You must have selective amnesia. This is what you said, and I quote;
More of a moral thing for me. I dont care about gays though long as they don't bother me. Marriage though should be sacred, between 1 man and 1 woman, anything else it doesn't count as marriage.
The bolded portion is what I'm referring to. A bit of semantics here, but the usage of 'though' in that sentence creates the effect of disassociating itself from the former two, exempting it from your initial clause. Conclusion; word your arguments better if you want people to stop trying to guess what you're trying to say. That being said, I don't care one bit about your personal beliefs, but I did find it interesting how defensive you got when I questioned them. Having strong or perfervid views on any issue doesn't require that you be affected by said issue, just needs empathy, as XemnasXD pointed out. But yes I am, and I don't believe I would be any less supportive of gay marriage even if I wasn't or would question your beliefs any less. And, "really fighting hard for this", really? Please, don't flatter yourself. These half-assed responses I've posted hardly classify as "really fighting hard". 
MrJoey wrote:I say we ditch Muslim/Christianity etc... and go back to worshiping the Greek Gods.
Pfft, it's all about the Norse gods. Thor, baby. 
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:35 am
by John_Doe
Fug_Dup wrote:MrJoey wrote:I say we ditch Muslim/Christianity etc... and go back to worshiping the Greek Gods.
Pfft, it's all about the Norse gods. Thor, baby.
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Odin and his 6 legged horse totally awesome.
Re: How do Christians think it's right to discriminate Gays?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:51 am
by BlackFox898
Goseki wrote:How can they think it's right for them to do that? They quote the Bible saying that it is forbidden and that they should not associate with sinners, but it's one thing to not associate and another to judge and discriminate against.
Where do
Christians discriminate gays? Christians are followers, the people that make these decisions are a bunch of old men in foreign countries that have never seen anything below a belly before. If anything your discriminating Christians for something most of them don't mind. Plus there are other religions out there that are much worst on gays then Christians would ever be. I attend a Catholic highschool and there are several gays there and no one really cares.