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[News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:12 am
by Tasdik
CONCORD, N.H. — A Massachusetts teenager who spent three nights alone on Mount Washington in April after he sprained an ankle and veered off marked trails has been fined more than $25,000 for the cost of his rescue.
Scott Mason had been praised for utilizing his Eagle Scout skills — sleeping in the crevice of a boulder and jump-starting fires with hand sanitzer gel. But authorities say he wasn't prepared for the conditions he encountered and shouldn't have set out on such an ambitious hike.
"Yes, he'd been out there in July when you could step across the brooks. And people have been out there in winter in hard-packed snow. But with these spring conditions, it was soft snow, it was deep snow," said Fish and Game Maj. Tim Acerno.
Acerno said he believes Mason's fine is the largest ever sought under a 9-year-old New Hampshire law that allows lost hikers and climbers to be charged for rescue costs. Mason's rescue was particularly expensive because the helicopters the state typically used were unavailable, and a helicopter from Maine had to be brought in, Acerno said.
Mason, 17, of Halifax, Mass., had planned to spend one day hiking 17 miles in the New Hampshire mountains but ended up lost after he hurt his ankle and decided to take a shortcut. The shortcut led him into rising water and deep snow caused by unseasonably warm weather.
Mason was negligent in continuing up the mountain with an injury and veering off the marked path, Acerno said. Negligence, he said, is based on judging what a reasonable person would do in the same situation.
"When I twist my ankle, I turn around and come down. He kept going up," Acerno said.
"It was his negligence that led to him getting into that predicament," he said. "Once he was in that predicament, yes, that's what we praise him for — he used his Boy Scout skills, and that's why he's still alive."
Several states, including neighboring Maine and Vermont, have rescue repayment laws similiar to New Hampshire, though others tend to be more lenient. In Washington state, a bill that would have created a reimbursement system with fines capped at $500 never even made it out of committee this year. In New Hampshire, however, lawmakers made it even easier to charge for rescues last year when they changed the law to allow fines for those who acted negligently instead of the harder to prove standard of recklessness.
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New Hampshire officials have estimated that they could seek reimbursement in about 40 of the 140 or so rescues it typically handles each year. The money goes to the Fish and Game department's rescue fund. In most cases, hikers pay a few hundred dollars.
For the fiscal year that ended June 30, there were 131 missions that cost $175,320, Acerno said. He did not know how many of them resulted in fines.
Mason's family said they would not comment on the bill, which was mailed July 10. Mason has until August 9 to pay the bill; he could also take the state to court to contest the fine.
Tl;dr
If I ever get lost, don't send a rescue party after me.
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:36 am
by Bread_Fish
im all for making stupid pay for wasting peoples time by doing stupid things (i.e. the lady who jumped in with a polar bear at the zoo a while ago should have lost her Farking house) but this seems a bit over kill...its somewhat reasonable given the circumstances of the helicopter but he had no effect on that so he should only be charged the bare minimum of what that rescue should have costed
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:37 am
by aznronin
Wow that's fcked up... and you seem to be the first person to summarize a news article in one sentence thank you. That should happen more often.
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:46 am
by Bread_Fish
aznronin wrote:Wow that's fcked up... and you seem to be the first person to summarize a news article in one sentence thank you. That should happen more often.
its not that fcked up if you take the time to read the whole thing....all in all it was the kids fault he was in that situation so its also his fault that money was wasted on him...
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:36 am
by Azilius
The way I see it..he never asked to be rescued so he shouldn't have to pay. =p
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:38 am
by Miguez
Azilius wrote:The way I see it..he never asked to be rescued so he shouldn't have to pay. =p
makes sense

Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:39 am
by John_Doe
What an asshole state
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:40 am
by DarkJackal
I didn't read it really.
But isn't it rescue workers jobs to rescue ppl, that seems like a cop charging you if he stops someone from robbing you.
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:41 am
by Kirkaldi
John_Doe wrote:What an asshole state
+1
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:08 am
by CrimsonNuker
Wtf.
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:19 am
by Bread_Fish
these laws follow the same logic that makes screaming fire in a crowded theater and pulling fire alarms when there isnt a fire illegal
it costs money to dispatch fire truck ambulances helicopters and whatnot so the person at fault for having those things put into action should have to pay for it in situations when their situation was their own fault...
in this case the kid was stupid and put himself in a situation where he had to be rescued so it his fault so he should have to pay for it
of course if someone get caught in some sort of accident that no one could have done anything about they wouldnt have to pay for it
if this article was about someone getting trapped in a building after an earthquake or something then yeah itd be stupid but i doubt they apply this law that freely
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:33 am
by DarkJackal
Bread_Fish wrote:these laws follow the same logic that makes screaming fire in a crowded theater and pulling fire alarms when there isnt a fire illegal
it costs money to dispatch fire truck ambulances helicopters and whatnot so the person at fault for having those things put into action should have to pay for it in situations when their situation was their own fault...
in this case the kid was stupid and put himself in a situation where he had to be rescued so it his fault so he should have to pay for it
of course if someone get caught in some sort of accident that no one could have done anything about they wouldnt have to pay for it
if this article was about someone getting trapped in a building after an earthquake or something then yeah itd be stupid but i doubt they apply this law that freely
It's an accident though. Arent those services what taxes help pay for?
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:15 am
by CrimsonNuker
I just read the first half of the article. Now I agree with the fine.
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:49 am
by Reise
I'd contest it.
The state shouldn't be bitching about negligence when someone could have died. Stupidity or not, they're basically crying for having to get off their ass and do their job.
Bread_Fish wrote:these laws follow the same logic that makes screaming fire in a crowded theater and pulling fire alarms when there isnt a fire illegal
There's a HUGE difference between getting lost in the woods and pulling pranks.
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:31 am
by Sharp324
Think of it like people driving across flooded roads cause they think they can make it, and get stranded and rescuers have to risk their lives saving them. The so called victim gets charged for it. The kid sprang his ankle and kept on going anyway, he could of stopped and just went home but he ignored his injury. He was responsible for it
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:21 am
by user
Sharp324 wrote:Think of it like people driving across flooded roads cause they think they can make it, and get stranded and rescuers have to risk their lives saving them. The so called victim gets charged for it. The kid sprang his ankle and kept on going anyway, he could of stopped and just went home but he ignored his injury. He was responsible for it
+1
BC has a similiar law, if you venture into a known high-risk area and you need to a bail-out, be ready to swipe ur credit card
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:34 am
by Reise
It's not the same.
The kid thought he was taking a shortcut. You might as well go and fine anyone for getting lost in the woods because it's "their fault" that they decided to go out there in the first place.
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:40 am
by *BlackFox
It's fck up... This kid's parents pay taxes for a reason and he pays taxes for a reason.
These people are just thieves.
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:02 am
by Sacchin
"Can you just put me back instead?"
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:36 pm
by MrTwilliger
It's a silly law. I pay taxes which are used to pay for government based investments, which in return gain capital for the government to provide services for our people. So what this law is telling us is your now going to be individually charged for a government-based rescue?
And where do you call the line between "negligence" and not negligence? You say it was his fault that he sprained his ankle and kept going, but where do you draw the line? A splinter? A broken leg? A stubbed toe? A painful knee? There will always be a grey area in these style of cases which is open for debate.
Raise taxes by 1 cent and use that money to pay for these cases, thus abolishing the law in the process. A hell of a lot more justified if you ask me.
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:20 pm
by satman83
Reise wrote:It's not the same.
The kid thought he was taking a shortcut. You might as well go and fine anyone for getting lost in the woods because it's "their fault" that they decided to go out there in the first place.
True and hes only 17, how do they expect him to be able to pay for it?
In fact why even have search and rescue system when all you end up doing is fineing
people for rescuing them.
**** if i was that kid i would tell them to shove it up their ass
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:40 pm
by SM-Count
It'd be a different story if the search and rescue team wasn't being paid for search and rescue, but they are.
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:50 pm
by C1ockwork
goddamn i have seen like 100 farked up articles from my state in the last few weeks.
new hampshire

Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:06 pm
by Isis
That is just silly, his fault or not he shouldn't need to pay for his own rescue.
But saying that, if you call an ambulance in the UK and its not an emergency you will get charged. Not sure how much it is, think it is something like £50.
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:27 pm
by skulldiver
can kinda understand both sides tbh.
On the one side, the kid was retarded for spraining his ankle and then just going on, I mean, did he fall with his head on a rock or something.
On the other hand, 25.000 is WAY too much money to charge a 17 year old, just make it a reasonable price like 200 dollars or something >.>
Re: [News] Fined for being rescued.
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:33 pm
by Goobronicus
Sacchin wrote:"Can you just put me back instead?"
lulz +1