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[NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:18 pm
by user
Police are investigating whether charges should be laid against a Vancouver jewelry store owner who shot at three men as they tried to rob his shop.
“This is an ongoing investigation with regards to the robbery and the shot that was fired, and detectives are still gathering evidence as far as what (crimes) may have been committed,” Const. Lindsey Houghton said yesterday.
Houghton said three men entered Atson’s Jewellers near Robson and Hamilton streets around 10:20 on Tuesday morning and started smashing display cases with a hammer.
One of the men had a gun.
“It appears the owner got out a firearm that he had stored at the store and fired one shot in the direction of one of the suspects. All three of the suspects then ran out of the store to a waiting vehicle,” Houghton said.
“We certainly don’t want people arming themselves,” he added. “We want people to be good witnesses.
We want people to phone 9-1-1 and allow officers to arrive and attend and to use our tools and our expertise.”
Source:
http://www.metronews.ca/vancouver/local ... ce-charges*The firearm the owner used was a legally own and licensed hunting rifle.
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:23 pm
by user
Blindfire wrote:If it was a pistol he is breaking the law. Owning a firearm that is not for hunting purposes is illegal. Unless you are law enforcement.
lol, keep that thought when you are being robbed at gunpoint
EDIT: lol, wtf, i was quoting someone, where did his msg go
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:20 pm
by Reise
user wrote:“We certainly don’t want people arming themselves,” he added. “We want people to be good witnesses.
We want people to phone 9-1-1 and allow officers to arrive and attend and to use our tools and our expertise.”
What the f*ck?
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:50 pm
by Blindfire
user wrote:EDIT: lol, wtf, i was quoting someone, where did his msg go
I deleted it after you edited your post.
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:08 am
by .curve
I plan on having a gun in my house just in case.
As for this guy, if he gets persecuted, I'll be pissed.
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:11 am
by user
.curve wrote:I plan on having a gun in my house just in case.
As for this guy, if he gets persecuted, I'll be pissed.
are you canadian?
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:23 am
by Snoopy
I'm glad I don't have the need for a gun and never will.
American's are some of the few people who feel the need to have a gun.
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:01 am
by Jstar1
Snoopy wrote:
American's are some of the few people who feel the need to have a gun.
omfg dont even start down that road
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:03 am
by .curve
user wrote:.curve wrote:I plan on having a gun in my house just in case.
As for this guy, if he gets persecuted, I'll be pissed.
are you canadian?
No sir. American. It's still dumb though to not be able to defend yourself now.
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:11 am
by Bop
killing a person because he's trying to rob one of your assets=not self defense
send his ass to life
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:12 am
by .curve
One of the men had a gun.
Even still though. Anyone trying to rob me, I'll shoot them dead on sight no questions asked.
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:12 am
by Blindfire
He didn't kill them.
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:40 am
by user
.curve wrote:user wrote:.curve wrote:I plan on having a gun in my house just in case.
As for this guy, if he gets persecuted, I'll be pissed.
are you canadian?
No sir. American. It's still dumb though to not be able to defend yourself now.
you are good then, this law only applies to canadians
off topic: who the hell is that girl in your avatar?
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:04 am
by .curve
user wrote:No sir. American. It's still dumb though to not be able to defend yourself now.
you are good then, this law only applies to canadians
off topic: who the hell is that girl in your avatar?[/quote]
Oh I know. Still angers me though.
Idk who she is. Some random chick who looked hot and got put as an avatar. I'd like to thank the internets.
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:21 am
by Reise
Bop wrote:killing a person because he's trying to rob one of your assets=not self defense
send his ass to life
So uh, what's to stop them from taking everything?
You think police will get your shit back?
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:23 am
by nohunta
I had some serious lulz at that dumb ass law.
Someone is robbing me at gunpoint. I kill them. I get locked up. LOL, total fail.
Are you serious? Anything of mine im gonna protect it, whether it be my dog or my grandma, or my 75 cent snickers. Im not just gonna LET someone take my things when i can defend myself and keep my things. Thats idiotic seriously. The robbers deserve whatever they get.
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:27 am
by user
Bop wrote:killing a person because he's trying to rob one of your assets=not self defense
send his ass to life
lol, wth, the owner didn't kill anyone, he shoot at them to scare them off
btw Bop, can i come party at your house? *cocks 9mm
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:34 am
by the_wicked
canada = fail.
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:16 am
by Foilin
This is so damn retarded, "we want people to be good witnesses." That is total bullshit
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:29 am
by Bop
Reise wrote:Bop wrote:killing a person because he's trying to rob one of your assets=not self defense
send his ass to life
So uh, what's to stop them from taking everything?
You think police will get your shit back?
by law, your assets =/= a person's life
ot: he shouldn't be locked up if they are still alive
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:30 am
by Blindfire
If a man is pointing a gun at you it is self defense.
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:53 am
by user
Blindfire wrote:If a man is pointing a gun at you it is self defense.
what if you are not doing anything, and a cop comes up to you, with his/her finger on the trigger, with the intent to shoot you
are you authorized to defend yourself or is it still assault on a police officer
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:02 am
by Blindfire
Ask a police officer.
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:05 am
by Wu
.curve wrote:Anyone trying to rob me, I'll shoot them dead on sight no questions asked.
Lol you gotta be kidding me. You're talking about someone's
life. Robber or not, you can't just shoot someone like that.
Bop wrote:your assets =/= a person's life
this ^
So what if they steal your sh*t, ensurance ftw?
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:14 am
by user
Wu wrote:.curve wrote:Anyone trying to rob me, I'll shoot them dead on sight no questions asked.
Lol you gotta be kidding me. You're talking about someone's
life. Robber or not, you can't just shoot someone like that.
i believe if someone breaks into your house, in the US you are authorized to kill that dumbass
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:15 am
by Reise
Well it looks like we have:
A) People without guns saying that you have no right to defend your property.
and
B) People with guns (me) saying you do.
If someone breaks into my shit and starts taking things, and they have balls enough to do it while armed, they're going to get what they deserve. Law be damned, I haven't heard of people being sent to prison in free countries like the US for defending their homes from intruders with guns.
IMO the jeweler should be well within his rights to not only shoot at the intruders but to wound or even kill them should it come down to it. If they are armed themselves their motives are clear: We're taking your shit and if you don't like it we will kill you. My way of responding is to kill them first.
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:25 am
by Wu
user wrote:Wu wrote:.curve wrote:Anyone trying to rob me, I'll shoot them dead on sight no questions asked.
Lol you gotta be kidding me. You're talking about someone's
life. Robber or not, you can't just shoot someone like that.
i believe if someone breaks into your house, in the US you are authorized to kill that dumbass
I was talking from a moral aspect.
Here in the Netherlands we call the Police when people break in your house. Works fine and noone dies.
Reise wrote:My way of responding is to kill them first.
lol. Thats just how you dislocate society even further. Lets all use our guns because other people might use their guns. Over time robbers will bring heavier guns, and you will build fences with barbed wire around your 'property' right?
Here in the Netherlands I can walk around without having to worry about people carrying a gun around. Feels good man.
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:44 am
by Reise
A gun's a gun. Don't need to have it all the time either.
To be honest I might be able to relate if I lived anywhere near the Netherlands, but I don't. To me you've got a choice: Arm yourself and you're that much better off in case shit goes down, or don't and put yourself at their mercy. Ethics aside, statistics have some powerful things to say on the subject of guns vs. no guns.
Regardless, if the man ends up in jail for defending his shop, just be glad you don't live in Canada. The police would rather you'd be robbed blind or dead than helping yourself.
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:47 am
by Snoopy
Wu wrote:Here in the Netherlands I can walk around without having to worry about people carrying a gun around. Feels good man.
Same. It does feel good
Re: [NEWS] man under investigation for self defence
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:50 am
by user
Snoopy wrote:Wu wrote:Here in the Netherlands I can walk around without having to worry about people carrying a gun around. Feels good man.
Same. It does feel good
when a bad guy gets his hands on a gun, you two can just take off your pants and bend over
