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Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:38 am
by Squirt
Whats your favorite Paradox type things.

Mine: The Mermaid Problem

he Mermaid problem is an observation occasionally mentioned in literature, concerning the difficulty of having sexual intercourse with a mermaid. Although mermaids are commonly depicted as beautiful, variably nude, and enticing, a man attempting to have sex with one would be thwarted by the typical portrayal of the creature: a fish from the waist down, with no vagina. Some fiction, aware of the long running question, deliberately avoids the question for humorous effect.[1] More generally, it can also be a joking reference to the unusual sexual interest many non-human characters seem to have with humans in fantasy or science fiction, and potential physical issues therein

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:48 am
by Sacchin
O.o

Does an analogy count?
Only thing that comes to mind and one of my favorites.

Hedgehog's dilemma

The hedgehog's dilemma, or sometimes the porcupine dilemma, is an analogy about the challenges of human intimacy. It describes a situation in which a group of hedgehogs all seek to become close to one another in order to share their heat during cold weather. However, once accomplished, they cannot avoid hurting one another with their sharp quills. They must step away from one another. Though they all share the intention of a close reciprocal relationship, this may not occur for reasons which they cannot avoid.

The hedgehog's dilemma suggests that despite goodwill, human intimacy cannot occur without substantial mutual harm, and what results is cautious behavior and weak relationships. With the hedgehog's dilemma one is recommended to use moderation in the affairs with others both because it is in self-interest, and also out of consideration for others. The hedgehog's dilemma is used to justify or explain introversion and isolationism.

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:04 am
by crazyskwrls
there was one about dolphins like their muscle should not allow them to swim so fast but they do....

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:16 am
by [SD]Master_Wong
Pogo Paradox, would be interesting to take the fictional theory and try relate it to real physics and time/space

Though as far as my geeky knowlage goes im not that good with paradox's, im more of technology science person then a physics scientist (i where to be one)

In temporal mechanics, the Pogo paradox is similar to a predestination paradox, but where interference designed to prevent an event actually triggers the same event.

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:22 am
by Midori
Wikipedia's explanation.

Schrödinger's Cat: A cat, along with a flask containing a poison, is placed in a sealed box shielded against environmentally induced quantum decoherence. If an internal Geiger counter detects radiation then the flask is shattered, releasing the poison which kills the cat. Quantum mechanics suggests that after a while the cat is simultaneously alive and dead. Yet, when we look in the box, we see the cat either alive or dead, not a mixture of alive and dead.

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:39 am
by ThatBluePerson
If you can travel at the speed of light with a car, what will happen when you turn the headlights on.

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:51 am
by Hello_Kittys
Dear Weird Post...

Assuming that a Cat always lands on it's feet when airborne, and buttered toast always falls on it's buttered side (annoying as it may be)... What happens if you tie buttered toast onto the back of a cat with it's buttered side facing upwards and drop both over a cliff? :roll:

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:01 am
by Midori
ThatBluePerson wrote:If you can travel at the speed of light with a car, what will happen when you turn the headlights on.


wow... that's a good one.



Oh yeah, divide by zero?

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:29 am
by Ashikiheyun
Hello_Kittys wrote:Dear Weird Post...

Assuming that a Cat always lands on it's feet when airborne, and buttered toast always falls on it's buttered side (annoying as it may be)... What happens if you tie buttered toast onto the back of a cat with it's buttered side facing upwards and drop both over a cliff? :roll:


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Props to The Helper

X-Lax wrote:
ThatBluePerson wrote:If you can travel at the speed of light with a car, what will happen when you turn the headlights on.


wow... that's a good one.



Oh yeah, divide by zero?


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Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:33 am
by GreenTea
Gosh, I'm a 3.8GPA student in the IB program but I honestly don't care much for Paradoxes, thinking of dilemmas or clever things along those lines.

:O

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:39 am
by NO_SILK_4_ME
Hello_Kittys wrote:Dear Weird Post...

Assuming that a Cat always lands on it's feet when airborne, and buttered toast always falls on it's buttered side (annoying as it may be)... What happens if you tie buttered toast onto the back of a cat with it's buttered side facing upwards and drop both over a cliff? :roll:



The buttered toast only falls on its buttered side because it's heavier on that side due to the addition of butter. Since the buttered toast doesn't weigh that much, it won't have much influence over the cat's mobility. So the cat will still land on its feet. Unless the cliff is really high up. Then it'd probably just untie the string and eated the toast. Then DIE. The end.

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:15 am
by Midori
GreenTea wrote:I'm a 3.8GPA student



Who cares?

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:43 am
by /Pi
I just recently Stumbled on this site: http://www.friesian.com/valley/dilemmas.htm

They're ethical dilemmas. =\

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:47 am
by Locketart
X-Lax wrote:
GreenTea wrote:I'm a 3.8GPA student



Who cares?


His asian parents.

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:53 am
by Sacchin
Prophet Izaach wrote:I just recently Stumbled on this site: http://www.friesian.com/valley/dilemmas.htm

They're ethical dilemmas. =\

Wow some of those are pretty deep and really make you think =S

When I read the one about "Roger Smith", Big O came to mind, especially since he always wears nice suits ><

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A suit and a little cold over a life is pretty obvious to me (in being wrong) and the first one, that one was the most difficult to decide, imo. Throwing the weak over made me think of women and children X_x

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:59 am
by Midori
Locketart wrote:
X-Lax wrote:
GreenTea wrote:I'm a 3.8GPA student



Who cares?


His asian parents.


Point taken.

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:01 am
by Amarisa
ThatBluePerson wrote:If you can travel at the speed of light with a car, what will happen when you turn the headlights on.


actually thats kidna easy if your going as fast as light and you create light nothing would really happen. if you were standing infront you would see the care and the light at the same time. like if your going as fast as light and look back to a clock you would see the exact time as you did when you reached the speed of light because the same light waves will enter into your eyes. its really difficult to explain i did the best i can to explain it.

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:36 am
by LaloHao
Murphy's Law

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:55 am
by rek
Sweet and sour sauce.



zero divided by zero

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:38 pm
by Bread_Fish
see my comment :roll:

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:23 pm
by /Pi
Sacchin wrote:Wow some of those are pretty deep and really make you think =S


They are. They even make me want to ignore them since they're really very problematic. =/

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:38 pm
by Squirt
ThatBluePerson wrote:If you can travel at the speed of light with a car, what will happen when you turn the headlights on.


HOLY ****, I think you just blew my mind.

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:14 pm
by satman83
Grandfather Paradox

suppose a man traveled back in time and killed his biological grandfather before the latter met the traveller's grandmother. As a result, one of the traveller's parents (and by extension, the traveller himself) would never have been conceived. This would imply that he could not have travelled back in time after all, which in turn implies the grandfather would still be alive, and the traveller would have been conceived, allowing him to travel back in time and kill his grandfather. Thus each possibility seems to imply its own negation.

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:09 pm
by [SD]Master_Wong
satman83 wrote:Grandfather Paradox

suppose a man traveled back in time and killed his biological grandfather before the latter met the traveller's grandmother. As a result, one of the traveller's parents (and by extension, the traveller himself) would never have been conceived. This would imply that he could not have travelled back in time after all, which in turn implies the grandfather would still be alive, and the traveller would have been conceived, allowing him to travel back in time and kill his grandfather. Thus each possibility seems to imply its own negation.


similar to the Grandmother paradox in which you travel back in time and get your granny up the duff

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:18 am
by Midori
satman83 wrote:Grandfather Paradox

suppose a man traveled back in time and killed his biological grandfather before the latter met the traveller's grandmother. As a result, one of the traveller's parents (and by extension, the traveller himself) would never have been conceived. This would imply that he could not have travelled back in time after all, which in turn implies the grandfather would still be alive, and the traveller would have been conceived, allowing him to travel back in time and kill his grandfather. Thus each possibility seems to imply its own negation.


The explanation of this would require whether there are multiple dimensions.

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:20 am
by satman83
Well lets say that there isnt.

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:43 am
by salmissra
if there aren't multiple dimensions...the reasoning would be much more complicated.

IF multiple dimensions do exist..then there would be two realities..where the grandfather lived (and thus the grandson is there) or the grandfather died (no grandson).

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:56 am
by M3K0S
ugh my brains itching.... time travel ftl.... thats why theres always rules for shit... everybody always wants to do something bad....
and at the light speed car.... FCK YOU, you cant divide by zero xD

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:04 am
by crazyskwrls
Grandfather Paradox :

Time travel is impossible as exemplified by the famous grandfather paradox. Imagine you build a time machine. It is possible for you to travel back in time, meet your grandfather before he produces any children (i.e. your father/mother) and kill him. Thus, you would not have been born and the time machine would not have been built, a paradox.

Perhaps the craziest of the time travel paradoxes was cooked up by Robert Heinlein in his classic short story "All You Zombies."

A baby girl is mysteriously dropped off at an orphanage in Cleveland in 1945. "Jane" grows up lonely and dejected, not knowing who her parents are, until one day in 1963 she is strangely attracted to a drifter. She falls in love with him. But just when things are finally looking up for Jane, a series of disasters strike. First, she becomes pregnant by the drifter, who then disappears. Second, during the complicated delivery, doctors find that Jane has both sets of sex organs, and to save her life, they are forced to surgically convert "her" to a "him." Finally, a mysterious stranger kidnaps her baby from the delivery room.

Reeling from these disasters, rejected by society, scorned by fate, "he" becomes a drunkard and drifter. Not only has Jane lost her parents and her lover, but he has lost his only child as well. Years later, in 1970, he stumbles into a lonely bar, called Pop's Place, and spills out his pathetic story to an elderly bartender. The sympathetic bartender offers the drifter the chance to avenge the stranger who left her pregnant and abandoned, on the condition that he join the "time travelers corps." Both of them enter a time machine, and the bartender drops off the drifter in 1963. The drifter is strangely attracted to a young orphan woman, who subsequently becomes pregnant.

The bartender then goes forward 9 months, kidnaps the baby girl from the hospital, and drops off the baby in an orphanage back in 1945. Then the bartender drops off the thoroughly confused drifter in 1985, to enlist in the time travelers corps. The drifter eventually gets his life together, becomes a respected and elderly member of the time travelers corps, and then disguises himself as a bartender and has his most difficult mission: a date with destiny, meeting a certain drifter at Pop's Place in 1970.

The question is: Who is Jane's mother, father, grandfather, grand mother, son, daughter, granddaughter, and grandson? The girl, the drifter, and the bartender, of course, are all the same person. These paradoxes can made your head spin, especially if you try to untangle Jane's twisted parentage. If we drawJane's family tree, we find that all the branches are curled inward back on themselves, as in a circle. We come to the astonishing conclusion that she is her own mother and father! She is an entire family tree unto herself.

Re: Favorite Paradox/Something/Dilemmas

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:19 am
by [TS]=Hark=[TS]
crazyskwrls wrote:
Grandfather Paradox :

Time travel is impossible as exemplified by the famous grandfather paradox. Imagine you build a time machine. It is possible for you to travel back in time, meet your grandfather before he produces any children (i.e. your father/mother) and kill him. Thus, you would not have been born and the time machine would not have been built, a paradox.

Perhaps the craziest of the time travel paradoxes was cooked up by Robert Heinlein in his classic short story "All You Zombies."

A baby girl is mysteriously dropped off at an orphanage in Cleveland in 1945. "Jane" grows up lonely and dejected, not knowing who her parents are, until one day in 1963 she is strangely attracted to a drifter. She falls in love with him. But just when things are finally looking up for Jane, a series of disasters strike. First, she becomes pregnant by the drifter, who then disappears. Second, during the complicated delivery, doctors find that Jane has both sets of sex organs, and to save her life, they are forced to surgically convert "her" to a "him." Finally, a mysterious stranger kidnaps her baby from the delivery room.

Reeling from these disasters, rejected by society, scorned by fate, "he" becomes a drunkard and drifter. Not only has Jane lost her parents and her lover, but he has lost his only child as well. Years later, in 1970, he stumbles into a lonely bar, called Pop's Place, and spills out his pathetic story to an elderly bartender. The sympathetic bartender offers the drifter the chance to avenge the stranger who left her pregnant and abandoned, on the condition that he join the "time travelers corps." Both of them enter a time machine, and the bartender drops off the drifter in 1963. The drifter is strangely attracted to a young orphan woman, who subsequently becomes pregnant.

The bartender then goes forward 9 months, kidnaps the baby girl from the hospital, and drops off the baby in an orphanage back in 1945. Then the bartender drops off the thoroughly confused drifter in 1985, to enlist in the time travelers corps. The drifter eventually gets his life together, becomes a respected and elderly member of the time travelers corps, and then disguises himself as a bartender and has his most difficult mission: a date with destiny, meeting a certain drifter at Pop's Place in 1970.

The question is: Who is Jane's mother, father, grandfather, grand mother, son, daughter, granddaughter, and grandson? The girl, the drifter, and the bartender, of course, are all the same person. These paradoxes can made your head spin, especially if you try to untangle Jane's twisted parentage. If we drawJane's family tree, we find that all the branches are curled inward back on themselves, as in a circle. We come to the astonishing conclusion that she is her own mother and father! She is an entire family tree unto herself.


ROFLMAO!! thats some farked up shit right there.