XuChu wrote:You've made your point in an earlier post, and it shows your understanding of religion is little. Which is not your fault because you haven't the fortune to be exposed it.
dom wrote:How do you know that he's never had the fortune to be exposed to it? Just because someone isn't a religious fundamentalist doesn't mean they weren't exposed to religion.
Some are born into it, participate in it, live it; then decide that religion is not for them or that religion is wrong. Living religiously or understanding it doesn't result in an ultimate faith in God. Many could argue that reading scripture, being exposed to religion, and understanding fundamental beliefs would lead one to not be religious.
XuChu wrote:dom wrote:How do you know that he's never had the fortune to be exposed to it? Just because someone isn't a religious fundamentalist doesn't mean they weren't exposed to religion.
Some are born into it, participate in it, live it; then decide that religion is not for them or that religion is wrong. Living religiously or understanding it doesn't result in an ultimate faith in God. Many could argue that reading scripture, being exposed to religion, and understanding fundamental beliefs would lead one to not be religious.
When you believe religion is as simple as going to hell or die, it shows you don't understand what religion is; so instead of outright saying his post was retarded, I said he wasn't exposed to religion.
XuChu wrote:dom wrote:How do you know that he's never had the fortune to be exposed to it? Just because someone isn't a religious fundamentalist doesn't mean they weren't exposed to religion.
Some are born into it, participate in it, live it; then decide that religion is not for them or that religion is wrong. Living religiously or understanding it doesn't result in an ultimate faith in God. Many could argue that reading scripture, being exposed to religion, and understanding fundamental beliefs would lead one to not be religious.
When you believe religion is as simple as going to hell or die, it shows you don't understand what religion is; so instead of outright saying his post was retarded, I said he wasn't exposed to religion.
XuChu wrote:dom wrote:How do you know that he's never had the fortune to be exposed to it? Just because someone isn't a religious fundamentalist doesn't mean they weren't exposed to religion.
Some are born into it, participate in it, live it; then decide that religion is not for them or that religion is wrong. Living religiously or understanding it doesn't result in an ultimate faith in God. Many could argue that reading scripture, being exposed to religion, and understanding fundamental beliefs would lead one to not be religious.
When you believe religion is as simple as going to hell or die, it shows you don't understand what religion is; so instead of outright saying his post was retarded, I said he wasn't exposed to religion.
dom wrote:Not all of us have the luxury of sitting down to type out pages and pages on philosophical questions to the sound of "what is religion".
dom wrote:Briefly, I think everyone could agree that religions bring a set of morals and ethics to their followers, guiding them through life to ultimately be rewarded with a place in heaven or be banished to hell (or something equivalent). Seeing that the later is partial motivation for following religious dogma, I would say that his statement is correct albeit flat.
XemnasXD wrote:For a very very long time that was the basic sermon for most preachers. Live like this or go to hell. It is not uncommon in many Catholic churches today to find that same sermon being given with minor changes. For alot of people the thought of some giant cosmic douche controlling everything but not interfering with anything BUT telling you to live life how he says it is enough to make them shy away from religion. To you (and I) this is not a good reason to disregard religion if thoughts stop there, however if the person were to delve deeper into the basic argument of "why should i do what cosmos douche tells me to do" they could actually come up with alot of good reasons to ignore religion and the belief in God. Who is to say he hasn't and didn't feel like posting the deeper aspects especially when "Live like this or go to hell" is the bulk of the old testament....probably all the old testament.
EDIT: i guess the old testament would be more like "Live like this and you're going to hell anyway"
XuChu wrote:dom wrote:Not all of us have the luxury of sitting down to type out pages and pages on philosophical questions to the sound of "what is religion".
If you don't have the time you type what you think, don't type a two lined ridiculous summary of books hundreds of pages long, holy to many, and expect people to be content with it.
dom wrote:Briefly, I think everyone could agree that religions bring a set of morals and ethics to their followers, guiding them through life to ultimately be rewarded with a place in heaven or be banished to hell (or something equivalent). Seeing that the later is partial motivation for following religious dogma, I would say that his statement is correct albeit flat.
If that your interpretation of religion, then be it, if you think religion is some big threat of believe or go to hell, I'm not at all surprised why you are atheist, and for your sake I hope you stay atheist.XemnasXD wrote:For a very very long time that was the basic sermon for most preachers. Live like this or go to hell. It is not uncommon in many Catholic churches today to find that same sermon being given with minor changes. For alot of people the thought of some giant cosmic douche controlling everything but not interfering with anything BUT telling you to live life how he says it is enough to make them shy away from religion. To you (and I) this is not a good reason to disregard religion if thoughts stop there, however if the person were to delve deeper into the basic argument of "why should i do what cosmos douche tells me to do" they could actually come up with alot of good reasons to ignore religion and the belief in God. Who is to say he hasn't and didn't feel like posting the deeper aspects especially when "Live like this or go to hell" is the bulk of the old testament....probably all the old testament.
EDIT: i guess the old testament would be more like "Live like this and you're going to hell anyway"
Since when was this about the Catholic church? People are summarising religions into a 'believe or go to hell' idea. Cosmo douche? Apparently, 84% of the world's population believe in some sort of 'cosmo douche' or other, as for the Catholic church, how many Catholic sermons have you attended for you to pass such an unfair judgement?
Also that ignorant little remark you made at the end, it really shows how much you think of all the Jews and Christians doesn't it?
penfold1992 wrote:durka durka muhammad gihad allah 10k plys. thats all i hear :S
XemnasXD wrote:The old testament offers no salvation for christians. Jews get off easy since Hell has no meaning to them. So to Jews its basically "Live like this" for Christians its "Live like this and you're going to go to hell anyway" since salvation isn't offered until the New Testament. Now that that is cleared up plz understand that i was using the Catholic church as an example because as the recent Pope has made it abundantly clear, there is a way God wants you live your life and a way he does not. In reality you'd be hard pressed to find a dogma of Christianity that does say "such and such will condemn you to hell". So no its not about the Catholic Church, you made it about the Catholic church bu its not about that at all. And believe it or not i've attended several catholic services as well as baptist and i've even visited a Mosque though i didn't stay or any kind of service.
XemnasXD wrote:Lastly, don't throw numbers at me. Just because ALOT of ppl think a certain way DOES NOT infer that any of those ppl are right, or smart, or any better than the percentage that doesn't believe it, especially when it comes to religion. And to be fair not all Gods are as douchey as Old testament God, and when they are at least they own up to it and say hey, im gonna screw you over, thats what im here for. Not pretend that even after he turned a city to dust and killed all non believers he's still the good guy...cause that makes sense.
Priam wrote:I do believe in god. However, i dislike the church, and the entire muppet show around it. Faith, in my opinion is something personal, which i'm not willing to share with any priest. neither do i like sitting in a bench and being told, in a way, how to live my faith.
XemnasXD wrote:also im not going to stop calling him a cosmic douche
XemnasXD wrote:i doubt you'll understand this paragraph anyway...
penfold1992 wrote:durka durka muhammad gihad allah 10k plys. thats all i hear :S
CloudStrider wrote:I am Christian BTW.
XuChu wrote:XemnasXD, "Muslim God=>Christian God=>Jewish God"
That ridiculous yet again shows your lack of knowledge, as for the Epicurus thing, my response in the story of Job I posted earlier.
Other that "There is no compulsion in religion" and all I can do is pray to God to forgive what you've said today.CloudStrider wrote:I am Christian BTW.
Me too, what church do you belong to?
I'm Lutheran
penfold1992 wrote:durka durka muhammad gihad allah 10k plys. thats all i hear :S
CloudStrider wrote:I am too, my Mother's side are all German Lutherans.
But my Father's side a deeply Roman Catholic.
XemnasXD wrote:i call God a douche, which is imo completely understandable if you read the Old Testament, you say im disrespecting your religion and i guess i am but thats more my "beliefs" than disrespecting your religion. This guys sums up my feelings better than i can.
phulshof wrote:Some call able yet unwilling to be malevolent. I call it free will. I'm not sure I'd want God to intervene in everything He sees as wrong. That would make us little more than puppets on a string, to be corrected at every wrong move we make. How about we take responsibility for our own actions for a change?
