Gay / Bisexual

[Itonami]

Twysta, you're my hero. The world needs mroe people like you and Soda.. only a little elss violent on your part but still. I kinda had the same sort of situation for me.

I got suspended from highschool.. later dropped out and did homeschool and now i'm in university at 17. Anyway.. I have a guy friend who's 100% pure gay. I've known him since I was like 5 and people always thought he was "weird".. but when we got up to sophomore year, he came out with his sexuality and most of our little group accepted it, but there were these snotty ass seniors that always teased him and made awful jokes about him and would fake laugh an annoyingly obnoxious laugh when he'd walk by or something.. one day, around state testng when they had people from the state in the courtyard handing out coffee and breakfast or whatevs, a few of those girls were standing in a group huddled up trying to keep warm, and they all had coffee. I have no idea what crossed this one chick's mind, but she started yelling "****, homo, piece of shit" and threw her hot coffee at him. I don't really remember running over to her but I had her pinned to the ground in a heartbeat and I was beating on her face while she screamed at me. I bruised my knuckles pretty bad but her face looked a hell of a lot worse. I was so pissed at her.
Well, I got suspended. But as far as I know, NOBODY has dared to pull any kind of shit against him since.

[iBilly]

ill tell u a little story..

edit: hmm it seems a bit longer then expected :p

around the cornor in the back of the street lives a very good friend of mine, his parents never really gave much attention to him and they didn't allow him anything.. the guy coulnd't ever have a friend over to sleep or even an afternoon at some friends place. He never really had any good friends and i've been best friends with him since we were like born.. when we were around 14 and sex came in our lives, i always had a girlfriend and he never had some1 to be (close) with, i felt so sorry for the guy and then he told me he was feeling weird if he was with men.. i told him he had my full support and that he shouldn't be afraid for being homosexual, well in only days of time our whole highschool knew... every1 bullied him and since i was the more popular guy people started seeing me as the guy who likes to hang out with a gay.. my relationship with my girlfriend (which im still together with) was really going great, the bullying becme worse and worse every week and soon people really started crossing the line and i didn't know what to do..
I felt so sorry for the guy all through highschool, but i had my reputation and friends to keep and it was really hard because obviously no1 liked the fact that i hang out with a gay.. (question yourself here, what would you do? chose for your best friend whom is gay or choose for all your other friends). So 2 years later after alot of fights with my other good friends, and some whom were lost, we went to college and he was in another class as me, the first day at our new college we had to introduce ourselves and we had to come in front of the class and tell a little about ourselves, he thought it would be good if he was honest, unlike what he did at our highschool, so in his minute of introduction he told the class he was homosexual and his classmates started bullying him on the spot, giving him winks and all that kinda stuff, in the first break we went outside to smoke a ciggy and yep... at least 10 out of the 100 people that past us either winked at him or made a funny symbol implying hes gay. I told every single person to shut the **** up bceause i just couldnt take it anymore , can u imagine how hard that situation is? its your best friend, you LOVE him, but hes just ... GAY , you know.. here i lost most of my old friends because they either went to another college or they just didnt like me anymore because my offensive attitude to all the people who were bullling my friend. then some day, one of the tough guys with his friends wanted to be cool and stepped out face to face with my friend and he said "Hey sweetie, u wanna hang out after school?" and here i lost it, i grabbed the guy and put him to the wall and i said nothing, i only gave him a serious look in the face and let him go, he was about to start fighting me but then he walked away.. later that day when school was finished i went out in the back with him to smoke a cigg and then take the bus home. the same person showed up and looked at me for few minutes and then i gave him the face of "bring it" and he walked over to me and pushed me.. i was filled with anger and the adrenaline was rushing through my body, me myself had more fights and im well built anyway so i wasnt afraid, i just didn't wanna get in trouble since i already had enough at my highschool.
The guy was just standing in front of me acting all tough and i was getting really angry and i was like "if he makes a move im GONNA BEAT HIS FACE TO PIECES" and then i pushed him and he immediately hit me in the face and made my nose bleed like a giraffe having a period. the blood was coming out rapidly and i COMPLETELY lost it on the spot i took the guy and with so much anger i just grabbed him and smacked him to the floor and started beating... he said stop so many times but i just couldnt stop i was SO angry, i was thinking " lost all my Farking(hit) friends, nearly lost my girlfriend (BANG), and this is for my friend, i screamed out the anger and hit him really fcking hard on his nose and i broke it, as well as my hand actually but that didnt bother me at all at that moment. i couldnt get off him i just needed the satisfaction of him bleeding and screaming out the pain, i just sat on him untill a few teachers took me off him. I just went immediately home and next morning i got a phonecall... ( you are forced out of college and you are never welcomed back here or any other schools of ours) and the same day i downloaded sro and went completely no life style. Joined SRF a few weeks later and ive barely spoken to my friend in the meanwhile..
i still have a few good friends but most were lost and i felt so shit.. SO shit about this and i still do every day, only because i JUST HAD A GAY FRIEND.

if i ever see any1 offending/insulting/annoying a gay person EVEr again i swear to god, i will call an ambulance, beat the shit out of him, and leave. I can jump on ANY anti-homosexual's right now, just give me one and i will have a great time reconstructing his face.

btw.. im straight if u havent yet noticed.

Wow, the last few lines of that essay-sized paragraph make you look ridiculous.

By the way, grammar.

[maxietheboss]

ill tell u a little story..

edit: hmm it seems a bit longer then expected :p

around the cornor in the back of the street lives a very good friend of mine, his parents never really gave much attention to him and they didn't allow him anything.. the guy coulnd't ever have a friend over to sleep or even an afternoon at some friends place. He never really had any good friends and i've been best friends with him since we were like born.. when we were around 14 and sex came in our lives, i always had a girlfriend and he never had some1 to be (close) with, i felt so sorry for the guy and then he told me he was feeling weird if he was with men.. i told him he had my full support and that he shouldn't be afraid for being homosexual, well in only days of time our whole highschool knew... every1 bullied him and since i was the more popular guy people started seeing me as the guy who likes to hang out with a gay.. my relationship with my girlfriend (which im still together with) was really going great, the bullying becme worse and worse every week and soon people really started crossing the line and i didn't know what to do..
I felt so sorry for the guy all through highschool, but i had my reputation and friends to keep and it was really hard because obviously no1 liked the fact that i hang out with a gay.. (question yourself here, what would you do? chose for your best friend whom is gay or choose for all your other friends). So 2 years later after alot of fights with my other good friends, and some whom were lost, we went to college and he was in another class as me, the first day at our new college we had to introduce ourselves and we had to come in front of the class and tell a little about ourselves, he thought it would be good if he was honest, unlike what he did at our highschool, so in his minute of introduction he told the class he was homosexual and his classmates started bullying him on the spot, giving him winks and all that kinda stuff, in the first break we went outside to smoke a ciggy and yep... at least 10 out of the 100 people that past us either winked at him or made a funny symbol implying hes gay. I told every single person to shut the **** up bceause i just couldnt take it anymore , can u imagine how hard that situation is? its your best friend, you LOVE him, but hes just ... GAY , you know.. here i lost most of my old friends because they either went to another college or they just didnt like me anymore because my offensive attitude to all the people who were bullling my friend. then some day, one of the tough guys with his friends wanted to be cool and stepped out face to face with my friend and he said "Hey sweetie, u wanna hang out after school?" and here i lost it, i grabbed the guy and put him to the wall and i said nothing, i only gave him a serious look in the face and let him go, he was about to start fighting me but then he walked away.. later that day when school was finished i went out in the back with him to smoke a cigg and then take the bus home. the same person showed up and looked at me for few minutes and then i gave him the face of "bring it" and he walked over to me and pushed me.. i was filled with anger and the adrenaline was rushing through my body, me myself had more fights and im well built anyway so i wasnt afraid, i just didn't wanna get in trouble since i already had enough at my highschool.
The guy was just standing in front of me acting all tough and i was getting really angry and i was like "if he makes a move im GONNA BEAT HIS FACE TO PIECES" and then i pushed him and he immediately hit me in the face and made my nose bleed like a giraffe having a period. the blood was coming out rapidly and i COMPLETELY lost it on the spot i took the guy and with so much anger i just grabbed him and smacked him to the floor and started beating... he said stop so many times but i just couldnt stop i was SO angry, i was thinking " lost all my Farking(hit) friends, nearly lost my girlfriend (BANG), and this is for my friend, i screamed out the anger and hit him really fcking hard on his nose and i broke it, as well as my hand actually but that didnt bother me at all at that moment. i couldnt get off him i just needed the satisfaction of him bleeding and screaming out the pain, i just sat on him untill a few teachers took me off him. I just went immediately home and next morning i got a phonecall... ( you are forced out of college and you are never welcomed back here or any other schools of ours) and the same day i downloaded sro and went completely no life style. Joined SRF a few weeks later and ive barely spoken to my friend in the meanwhile..
i still have a few good friends but most were lost and i felt so shit.. SO shit about this and i still do every day, only because i JUST HAD A GAY FRIEND.

if i ever see any1 offending/insulting/annoying a gay person EVEr again i swear to god, i will call an ambulance, beat the shit out of him, and leave. I can jump on ANY anti-homosexual's right now, just give me one and i will have a great time reconstructing his face.

btw.. im straight if u havent yet noticed.

that was a brave and very good action, to stand up for ur friend with a chance of loosing your friends. sad u lost most of them but the ones still left you can atleast call real friends.

[IceCrash]

just one thing twysta, the so called friends you lost over that situation, werent really ur friends..and the situation only showed you that.
Dont be sorry u lost them, they werent rlly ur friends.

[IceCrash]

ill tell u a little story..

edit: hmm it seems a bit longer then expected :p

around the cornor in the back of the street lives a very good friend of mine, his parents never really gave much attention to him and they didn't allow him anything.. the guy coulnd't ever have a friend over to sleep or even an afternoon at some friends place. He never really had any good friends and i've been best friends with him since we were like born.. when we were around 14 and sex came in our lives, i always had a girlfriend and he never had some1 to be (close) with, i felt so sorry for the guy and then he told me he was feeling weird if he was with men.. i told him he had my full support and that he shouldn't be afraid for being homosexual, well in only days of time our whole highschool knew... every1 bullied him and since i was the more popular guy people started seeing me as the guy who likes to hang out with a gay.. my relationship with my girlfriend (which im still together with) was really going great, the bullying becme worse and worse every week and soon people really started crossing the line and i didn't know what to do..
I felt so sorry for the guy all through highschool, but i had my reputation and friends to keep and it was really hard because obviously no1 liked the fact that i hang out with a gay.. (question yourself here, what would you do? chose for your best friend whom is gay or choose for all your other friends). So 2 years later after alot of fights with my other good friends, and some whom were lost, we went to college and he was in another class as me, the first day at our new college we had to introduce ourselves and we had to come in front of the class and tell a little about ourselves, he thought it would be good if he was honest, unlike what he did at our highschool, so in his minute of introduction he told the class he was homosexual and his classmates started bullying him on the spot, giving him winks and all that kinda stuff, in the first break we went outside to smoke a ciggy and yep... at least 10 out of the 100 people that past us either winked at him or made a funny symbol implying hes gay. I told every single person to shut the **** up bceause i just couldnt take it anymore , can u imagine how hard that situation is? its your best friend, you LOVE him, but hes just ... GAY , you know.. here i lost most of my old friends because they either went to another college or they just didnt like me anymore because my offensive attitude to all the people who were bullling my friend. then some day, one of the tough guys with his friends wanted to be cool and stepped out face to face with my friend and he said "Hey sweetie, u wanna hang out after school?" and here i lost it, i grabbed the guy and put him to the wall and i said nothing, i only gave him a serious look in the face and let him go, he was about to start fighting me but then he walked away.. later that day when school was finished i went out in the back with him to smoke a cigg and then take the bus home. the same person showed up and looked at me for few minutes and then i gave him the face of "bring it" and he walked over to me and pushed me.. i was filled with anger and the adrenaline was rushing through my body, me myself had more fights and im well built anyway so i wasnt afraid, i just didn't wanna get in trouble since i already had enough at my highschool.
The guy was just standing in front of me acting all tough and i was getting really angry and i was like "if he makes a move im GONNA BEAT HIS FACE TO PIECES" and then i pushed him and he immediately hit me in the face and made my nose bleed like a giraffe having a period. the blood was coming out rapidly and i COMPLETELY lost it on the spot i took the guy and with so much anger i just grabbed him and smacked him to the floor and started beating... he said stop so many times but i just couldnt stop i was SO angry, i was thinking " lost all my Farking(hit) friends, nearly lost my girlfriend (BANG), and this is for my friend, i screamed out the anger and hit him really fcking hard on his nose and i broke it, as well as my hand actually but that didnt bother me at all at that moment. i couldnt get off him i just needed the satisfaction of him bleeding and screaming out the pain, i just sat on him untill a few teachers took me off him. I just went immediately home and next morning i got a phonecall... ( you are forced out of college and you are never welcomed back here or any other schools of ours) and the same day i downloaded sro and went completely no life style. Joined SRF a few weeks later and ive barely spoken to my friend in the meanwhile..
i still have a few good friends but most were lost and i felt so shit.. SO shit about this and i still do every day, only because i JUST HAD A GAY FRIEND.

if i ever see any1 offending/insulting/annoying a gay person EVEr again i swear to god, i will call an ambulance, beat the shit out of him, and leave. I can jump on ANY anti-homosexual's right now, just give me one and i will have a great time reconstructing his face.

btw.. im straight if u havent yet noticed.

that was a brave and very good action, to stand up for ur friend with a chance of loosing your friends. sad u lost most of them but the ones still left you can atleast call real friends.

brave....lol?
He shouldnt even have to be worry about losing his other friends only because he has one good friend that is gay..thats just ridiculous.
It didnt matter if he was gay or not, if he was his friend, hed stand up for him right? At least thats what i do for my friends..no matter w.e

[BlackFox]

@Twysta

wow what a story well I never had a guy friend or lesbian friend.
But if all accept/respect them .be not like in yours story or others and
Losing so called friends who cant take it.
But I dont know if violence are the answer to make them understend homosexual ppl. But is good you realy show you are friend to him and want the guy the best after all bullling from other and so on.

[Grimjaw]

Homosexuality or Bi sexuality are ways of the modern world, to test humanity's level of social growth and tolerance.

Which still needs more room to grow it seems.

[[SD]Twysta]

@ itonami, yes i can get very protective.. it can be a problem sometimes, good of you to stand of for your friend like i did, it gives satisfaction

@ ibilly what do u mean ridiculous?
oh and about the grammar, im dutch so actually its kinda good i think i could do way better but i cant really be bothered atm.

@icecrash yea your right about that, those weren't really my friends.. but u know how popular people can be... but then again they were my friends :/ it hit me hard even tho they simply all are assholes..

@ blackfox yae violence isn't normally a way to solve things but i just couldnt control myself anymore i couldnt see my friend suffer from those imbeciles any longer.

thx u guys

[Doron]

I'm gay...
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I love my self
neh, I'm a girls lover, anti homohobe..
why in gods name would you be homophobe? if it is for religic reasons that gays are against god or something,than that is só sad that the Red Cross wouldn't even give them coffee!!!

geez... even in English I'm funny...

[maxietheboss]

@twysta, im dutch too wath school did you get kicked off.

[iBilly]

@ ibilly what do u mean ridiculous?
oh and about the grammar, im dutch so actually its kinda good i think i could do way better but i cant really be bothered atm.

I mean ridiculous about becoming a hermit for no reason... you got expelled so therefore your real life had ended and your Internet life had begun?

Get a grip man.

P.S. Entitled to my opinion, anyone wants to try and talk shit about it, feel free to PM me and get ignored.

[BlackFox]

P.S. Entitled to my opinion, anyone wants to try and talk shit about it, feel free to PM me and get ignored.

You remind me someone and you are pretty new......

what is the crap you say here for real, Why we want PM you so you can ignore it .?! And Is not only you who ave a option....

[iBilly]

P.S. Entitled to my opinion, anyone wants to try and talk shit about it, feel free to PM me and get ignored.

You remind me someone and you are pretty new......

what is the crap you say here for real, Why we want PM you so you can ignore it .?! And Is not only you who ave a option....

What?

[BlackFox]

What?

Wonder why you wrote this?

P.S. Entitled to my opinion, anyone wants to try and talk shit about it, feel free to PM me and get ignored.

[Biscuit]

Concerning the topic: I'm straight and rather conservative in my personal choices. As far as the gay/lesbian thing goes I think it's none of my or other peoples, for that matter, business what other (consenting) people do in their lovelifes. I don't know what homophobes lack. Confidence in their own sexuality? Do they need to form some imaginary group they can feel like they belong to?

@Twysta: Making your story an eyesore and a pain to read is not a way to get your point accross.

[[SD]Twysta]

Concerning the topic: I'm straight and rather conservative in my personal choices. As far as the gay/lesbian thing goes I think it's none of my or other peoples, for that matter, business what other (consenting) people do in their lovelifes. I don't know what homophobes lack. Confidence in their own sexuality? Do they need to form some imaginary group they can feel like they belong to?

@Twysta: Making your story an eyesore and a pain to read is not a way to get your point accross.

just because you dont have the patience doesnt mean the others dont, and as u can see, there are more who DID then those who didnt

anyawy billy i dont get your point but ah well

@twysta, im dutch too wath school did you get kicked off.

*dutch*
Gilde Opleidingen in Limburg, oftewel Gilde Oplichtingen

[Biscuit]

[...]

just because you dont have the patience doesnt mean the others dont, and as u can see, there are more who DID then those who didnt

[...]

Do you know what this is? And do you also know what it does when you hit it while writing a text?

[Belgarath]

This topic is bound to bring up heated arguments between people who adamantly disagree with eachother.

One thing that I don't understand is the difference between accepting gays, but not homophobes. Everyone wants to be so tolerant and accept the homosexual lifestyle, because its THEIR OPINION. But ask yourself this, why can't they accept homophobes, who may be narrow minded, but isnt it THEIR OPINION after all? Its kinda hard to get my point across in words, but I believe tolerance is accepting peoples actions, lifestyle, as well as opinion.

In the end, it seems we are all narrow minded on issues. Some people can accept homosexuality, while the others cant. Some people cant accept the homophobes. It just seems weird to me.

Make a gay joke in front of me and I'll laugh. Make a gay joke in front of Twysta and he'll knock you out. It all comes from the things we experience in our life and what we are taught to believe. Depending on what you've done and experienced will provide you with your own opinion of what is right or wrong.

Flame meh if ya want. I don't feel like explaining anymore.

[Disconn3cted]

This topic is bound to bring up heated arguments between people who adamantly disagree with eachother.

One thing that I don't understand is the difference between accepting gays, but not homophobes. Everyone wants to be so tolerant and accept the homosexual lifestyle, because its THEIR OPINION. But ask yourself this, why can't they accept homophobes, who may be narrow minded, but isnt it THEIR OPINION after all? Its kinda hard to get my point across in words, but I believe tolerance is accepting peoples actions, lifestyle, as well as opinion.

In the end, it seems we are all narrow minded on issues. Some people can accept homosexuality, while the others cant. Some people cant accept the homophobes. It just seems weird to me.

Make a gay joke in front of me and I'll laugh. Make a gay joke in front of Twysta and he'll knock you out. It all comes from the things we experience in our life and what we are taught to believe. Depending on what you've done and experienced will provide you with your own opinion of what is right or wrong.

Flame meh if ya want. I don't feel like explaining anymore.

the difference is it is not a choice to be homo who the **** would choose a lifestyle that causes them to lose their rights and be hated by most of society because people are so simple minded and listen to what their parents say instead of thinking for themselves

[non ego man]

Twysta, while it is a sacrifice you should not be forced to make, your values will serve you better throughout your life than the technical details you'll pick up in college. You made an impact on yourself (you are obviously proud of your actions), your friend, your family, the person/people you fought with, the people who saw the fight and the people to whom you've related the story (like those on this forum). There are a lot of people that have learned just a little about the nature of friendship and diversity by your actions. Not to get wrapped up in hyperbole but Rosa Parks simply refused to give up her bus seat and that "small" action had enormous consequences and impacted an entire country.

I hope that you are able to get back to college. Your values and higher education shouldn't be mutually exclusive. I know of several universities in the US that would accept you on the spot if you were to simply cut and paste your story onto the entrance application. Did you have the opportunity to explain to the school the reasons behind your actions and did they care to listen?

Also, you mentioned that you haven't spoken much to your friend since. I'm guessing that he feels responsible for your being kicked out of school and you not talking to him may reinforce that. He may regret being open about who he is and, in turn, feel ashamed about being gay. I would try and reach out to him.

So Twysta and Itonami, I don't need to tell you, you guys are cool.

And as for adoption. I feel the two greatest gifts you can give as a human being are donating your organs and adopting. These actions save lives. One of my heroes is a gay man I know who adopted eight children. Without exception, they love him dearly. They are all well-adjusted, the older ones with families of their own now. Considering their background and simply the probability of having one out of eight kids be a bad seed, this is a phenomenal accomplishment. None of them were "turned gay" by their adoptive father's sexual orientation. I feel that, all things being equal, it is good to have parents of different sexes because as we grow, we learn from characteristics that are unique to each. If you are missing a father or mother, you must learn those unique traits from a non-parent, which can be very difficult. That being said, seldom in life are all things equal and sexual orientation, in and of itself, should have no impact on the adoption process.

[Biscuit]

This topic is bound to bring up heated arguments between people who adamantly disagree with eachother.

One thing that I don't understand is the difference between accepting gays, but not homophobes. Everyone wants to be so tolerant and accept the homosexual lifestyle, because its THEIR OPINION. But ask yourself this, why can't they accept homophobes, who may be narrow minded, but isnt it THEIR OPINION after all? Its kinda hard to get my point across in words, but I believe tolerance is accepting peoples actions, lifestyle, as well as opinion.

In the end, it seems we are all narrow minded on issues. Some people can accept homosexuality, while the others cant. Some people cant accept the homophobes. It just seems weird to me.

Make a gay joke in front of me and I'll laugh. Make a gay joke in front of Twysta and he'll knock you out. It all comes from the things we experience in our life and what we are taught to believe. Depending on what you've done and experienced will provide you with your own opinion of what is right or wrong.

Flame meh if ya want. I don't feel like explaining anymore.

I don't think what has been described here so far is an issue of not accepting disagreement on the topic itself, but more of not accepting physical and constant mental harassment of gay/lesbian people. The latter possibly leading to pretty bad consequences, up to the point of suicide, if the mobbed person isn't mentally stable. I'm not in school anymore, but the thought of having to go through something like this day after day isn't very funny.

On the other hand I also believe that getting physical oneself isn't a solution if it isn't targeted to remove a direct threat. So I can't feel sorry for anyone here who got kicked out of school and the like.

[IceCrash]

This topic is bound to bring up heated arguments between people who adamantly disagree with eachother.

One thing that I don't understand is the difference between accepting gays, but not homophobes. Everyone wants to be so tolerant and accept the homosexual lifestyle, because its THEIR OPINION. But ask yourself this, why can't they accept homophobes, who may be narrow minded, but isnt it THEIR OPINION after all? Its kinda hard to get my point across in words, but I believe tolerance is accepting peoples actions, lifestyle, as well as opinion.

In the end, it seems we are all narrow minded on issues. Some people can accept homosexuality, while the others cant. Some people cant accept the homophobes. It just seems weird to me.

Make a gay joke in front of me and I'll laugh. Make a gay joke in front of Twysta and he'll knock you out. It all comes from the things we experience in our life and what we are taught to believe. Depending on what you've done and experienced will provide you with your own opinion of what is right or wrong.

Flame meh if ya want. I don't feel like explaining anymore.

the difference is it is not a choice to be homo who the **** would choose a lifestyle that causes them to lose their rights and be hated by most of society because people are so simple minded and listen to what their parents say instead of thinking for themselves

exactly, it aint their fault..
meh >.>

[Biscuit]

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So Twysta and Itonami, I don't need to tell you, you guys are cool.

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Yeah, having no self-control is just awesome.

[non ego man]

Yeah, having no self-control is just awesome.

I perceive the issue as sticking up for one's friends and not sacrificing one's principles.

You perceive the issue as being a lack of self-control.

While self-control is an admirable quality, to be sure, I place the other two in higher regard. I'd rather have those two hotheads as my friends than the "self-controlled" Biscuit.

Just sayin'

[maxietheboss]

Concerning the topic: I'm straight and rather conservative in my personal choices. As far as the gay/lesbian thing goes I think it's none of my or other peoples, for that matter, business what other (consenting) people do in their lovelifes. I don't know what homophobes lack. Confidence in their own sexuality? Do they need to form some imaginary group they can feel like they belong to?

@Twysta: Making your story an eyesore and a pain to read is not a way to get your point accross.

just because you dont have the patience doesnt mean the others dont, and as u can see, there are more who DID then those who didnt

anyawy billy i dont get your point but ah well

@twysta, im dutch too wath school did you get kicked off.

*dutch*
Gilde Opleidingen in Limburg, oftewel Gilde Oplichtingen

rare limbo's ook altijd

[Biscuit]

[...]

While self-control is an admirable quality, to be sure, I place the other two in higher regard. I'd rather have those two hotheads as my friends than the "self-controlled" Biscuit.

[...]

I have a general dislike for violent people, that's all. And I'm not even saying that one shouldn't defend ones friends. But the measures one takes to do that should only include what is absolutely neccessary to avert the harm. If the only possible course of action is to do massive bodily harm to the aggressor that's fine with me and any lawbook I know. If you overstep that line however, because you are "hotheaded", you need to be dealt with.

[Itonami]

[...]

While self-control is an admirable quality, to be sure, I place the other two in higher regard. I'd rather have those two hotheads as my friends than the "self-controlled" Biscuit.

[...]

I have a general dislike for violent people, that's all. And I'm not even saying that one shouldn't defend ones friends. But the measures one takes to do that should only include what is absolutely neccessary to avert the harm. If the only possible course of action is to do massive bodily harm to the aggressor that's fine with me and any lawbook I know. If you overstep that line however, because you are "hotheaded", you need to be dealt with.

How about I harass you all of your highschool years, then throw hotass coffee on you just for laughs. Boiling-ten-seconds-ago-liquids on your skin is enough to earn a beatdown. And it's technically assault. I have self control, but when you hurt me or one of my friends, there's a thing called karma. I just help along the process. That's the only real fight I have ever been in, and I don't regret it at all.
I got my point across. That's satisfying.

I'm 5'1'' and I weigh about 90lbs. I'm not a violent person, mostly to save my own ass. I have never lost self control when pissed, although I have acted accordingly to deal with the issue at hand.

[XemnasXD]

This topic is bound to bring up heated arguments between people who adamantly disagree with eachother.

One thing that I don't understand is the difference between accepting gays, but not homophobes. Everyone wants to be so tolerant and accept the homosexual lifestyle, because its THEIR OPINION. But ask yourself this, why can't they accept homophobes, who may be narrow minded, but isnt it THEIR OPINION after all? Its kinda hard to get my point across in words, but I believe tolerance is accepting peoples actions, lifestyle, as well as opinion.

In the end, it seems we are all narrow minded on issues. Some people can accept homosexuality, while the others cant. Some people cant accept the homophobes. It just seems weird to me.

Make a gay joke in front of me and I'll laugh. Make a gay joke in front of Twysta and he'll knock you out. It all comes from the things we experience in our life and what we are taught to believe. Depending on what you've done and experienced will provide you with your own opinion of what is right or wrong.

Flame meh if ya want. I don't feel like explaining anymore.

Homophobes preach a propaganda of hatred. They inspire fear in a group of ppl who mean no harm to anyone. They continually deny G/L/Bi the same humane treatment the give to everyone else based solely on sexual orientation. Is that an exaggeration, in some cases yes. In alot of cases no. People are petty and cruel and are more than willing, often times they long for it, to abhor something/anything that defies there concept of "normality". I'm African-American so i know first hand that a little bit of hatred can go a LONG way. It can ruin lifes and generations and set of a chain of events that will continue to deny "abnormals" there rights and privileges as human beings until all of society considers them less than that.

You make a gay joke and i'll laugh if ts funny, im Bi it doesn't bother me. If your don't feel comfortable with my existence thats ok too people aren't the most accepting of creatures. BUT if you believe that my sexual orientation makes me less of a human being or if you believe that because of it you have the right to degrade and punish me or simply the the right to hate me then we have a problem. Spiders don't mind you if your arachnophobic, clowns understand if your coulrophobic. Its when your thoughts and fear become a tool that can be used as a weapon to create more fear and more division and hatred that your truely homophobic and imo thats no better than being a racist or an anti-semite .

I have a general dislike for violent people, that's all. And I'm not even saying that one shouldn't defend ones friends. But the measures one takes to do that should only include what is absolutely neccessary to avert the harm. If the only possible course of action is to do massive bodily harm to the aggressor that's fine with me and any lawbook I know. If you overstep that line however, because you are "hotheaded", you need to be dealt with.

You must not have good friends. If the situation requires me to take a hit i'd do it. But if the situation required more than i wouldn't hesitate to take "unnecessary" action. Everyone has a breaking point and if you'd be willing to stand there and watched your friend get picked on harassed threatened etc everyday and not do more than whats "necessary" to defend them, your not really there friend. Ito and Twysta weren't being hot-headed they were fed up. I'd love for either of them to have my back anyday because in that critical moment you must decide where you stand on the issue that your defending, and your actions will show everyone who witnessed the commitment of your beliefs.

Yeah they didn't take bullet for someone but they acted like someone who believes they have something to protect should react and yeah there are better ways to go about it but there are worse. "With a moment of hesitation you can lose everything you believe in" I heard that or read it somewhere and i believe it.

[[SD]Twysta]

Twysta, while it is a sacrifice you should not be forced to make, your values will serve you better throughout your life than the technical details you'll pick up in college. You made an impact on yourself (you are obviously proud of your actions), your friend, your family, the person/people you fought with, the people who saw the fight and the people to whom you've related the story (like those on this forum). There are a lot of people that have learned just a little about the nature of friendship and diversity by your actions. Not to get wrapped up in hyperbole but Rosa Parks simply refused to give up her bus seat and that "small" action had enormous consequences and impacted an entire country.

I hope that you are able to get back to college. Your values and higher education shouldn't be mutually exclusive. I know of several universities in the US that would accept you on the spot if you were to simply cut and paste your story onto the entrance application. Did you have the opportunity to explain to the school the reasons behind your actions and did they care to listen?

Also, you mentioned that you haven't spoken much to your friend since. I'm guessing that he feels responsible for your being kicked out of school and you not talking to him may reinforce that. He may regret being open about who he is and, in turn, feel ashamed about being gay. I would try and reach out to him.

So Twysta and Itonami, I don't need to tell you, you guys are cool.

Thanks this really cracked me up man, appreciate it.

Well i did get a chance to explain it. Which is to the police. The school was, as they said, very concerned about my future. I didn't really care much what they thought, the guy didn't press charges because he knew he was wrong and that it was his own fault, i think.

And, the reason i barely ever talk to my friend anymore is because of 2 things, i think he does indeed feel guilty for what happened. But about 2 years ago we got in touch with the police about something we did, 3500$ damage on an old military graveyard we used to have fun at. There was a third guy involved to it as well, we had to work 40 hours for the government and that was it. But now the part why we not speak anymore, the parents of my friend, whom didn't/don't allow their kid anything, thought it was my idea. All i said to them was, i wish u knew your son a little better. You know how it goes.. Cigarettes every now and then, a joint with some friends. And it was all me who did it. I really have no one else to blame then his parents. During the summer holidays last year when we still hung out every now and then, he was 15 and he had to be inside at half past 8... yea i know, it's sad. Oh and you know what the funny part is? My parents and the other guy's parents even covered up my friends part of the damage in dollars, because they weren't properly insured. And they didn't even give us a simple thanks. If we didn't do this for them i bet you that his parents would let him pay the cash himself, which is of course in place but there are lots of parents who realize their kid learned a lesson from something like this. Like mine and the guys'.

I do realize it was my own mistake, somehow, but it's only a year gone to waste which isn't such a bad thing, because i was only 15 when i got into my first year of college, which is very young anyway. Now im a year older and it really is different. Besides, i just see it as a year i have to do over at school. that happens to many other people and it never has to me before. Therefor i was always the youngest in every class.

Anyway, i have applied to a new college a few weeks ago and i have to give the school a call on monday and see what they say

I have a general dislike for violent people, that's all. And I'm not even saying that one shouldn't defend ones friends. But the measures one takes to do that should only include what is absolutely necessary to avert the harm. If the only possible course of action is to do massive bodily harm to the aggressor that's fine with me and any lawbook I know. If you overstep that line however, because you are "hotheaded", you need to be dealt with.

You are simply not the kind of person that would understand such a situation me and itonami had.

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just because you dont have the patience doesnt mean the others dont, and as u can see, there are more who DID then those who didnt

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Do you know what this is? And do you also know what it does when you hit it while writing a text?

Who the hell do you think you are telling me to enter white lines in my text? You're a joke. I'm from holland, making my point can be hard as it is and to be honest i think i do a great job.

[LittleTom]

Whell. I'm straight. I'm a christian, so I think its wrong for me personally to be gay/bi. but I'm not about to judge others, it's not my job. I don't really see why churches focus so much on being anti-gay. Since the Bible states that God sees all sin as the same, it seems hypocritcal for the church to focus on one sin and say "OMFG anyone who does this is worse than everyone else."

Like i said before, I think its wrong for me personally to be gay/bi. I can only judge myself about what i believe. I'm not a homophobic (or whatever its called)

If i was in the same situation as twista or itonami i probably would have done the same. I would have stood up for my friend.