Israel and the Gaza

[Fiction]

I'm more skeptical of the hypocrites calling cbkilla out than I am of him having 3 dicks in his mouth. I mean its been proven time after time how Hamas operates... and suddenly they're innocent...

Could someone please inform me of when I should believe the media and when I shouldn't and also when I should trust the government and when I shouldn't? It seems you guys only trust them when it reinforces what you want to believe, then say they're a bunch of liars when it goes against your beliefs... Government good cause they give free stuff, government is evil cause they spy on civilians. Media good because they tell the truth and uncover corruption, media is evil liars cause they have an agenda and make up facts......

[cbkilla]

Gaza just tried to launch 2 rockets to Jerusalem but then ended up landing in the west bank Palestine territories possibly causing injuries,

http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=292700

[heroo]

No one is defending Hamas here. They are as worse as the people on Israëli side who are responsible for the attacks. We are defending the Palestinian citizens here. It's easy to make it look like this conflict is between Israël and Hamas only and to justify Israël's actions, but we all know that's not reality.

Israël is reacting in a disproportionate way to an amateuristic threat. 99% of the 'missles' fired on Israël are just fireworks on steroids. You can't even put them in the same category as military missles. It is clear what Israël is trying to reach over here. They want to totally destroy Gaza just to take out Hamas. And the fact that they will destroy the lifes of 1.5 million people in the process, doesn't bother them at all.

It's like your deputy prime minister has said himself: P.M. Interior Minister Eli Yishai on Israel's operation in Gaza: "The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages. Only then will Israel be calm for forty years."

It's clear to the whole world what your government wants and they all base it on their religous right to claim the holy land. Israël is as much a theocracy as Iran.

[cbkilla]

99% of the 'missles' fired on Israël are just fireworks on steroids.[/i]

lol ok, these "firecrackers" are a meter long, have explosive in the front as a "warhead" and can penetrate through solid concrete. Just yesterday one penetrated through the top of a 8 story apartment building, entered the elevator shaft and blew up on the 5th floor causing massive damage to the building. So please dont even try to say that 99% of the missiles are just firecrackers. If one of these were to hit a typical wooden american house it would completely demolish and burn it down, the only reason our houses dont is cause we build everything out of concrete here.

[heroo]

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1%

[omier]

Stockholm would tolerate bombing since we practically got no army left, just waiting for the russian invasion.

FOR MOTHER RUSSIA!

Nooo, don't give out your secrets.

If one of these were to hit a typical wooden american house it would completely demolish and burn it down, the only reason our houses dont is cause we build everything out of concrete here.

They have tornados, hurricanes and earthquakes in USA but they still have cardboard houses.

[Aristocrat]

Media is never trustable, in any way. For example: 1. They never put positive news like the ozon layer being 1/3 of the size it was in the 70s, cause hey, noone reads positive news. 2. In many countries it's politicly monitored. 3. They don't need the truth for a good story, they need a "hint" to publish it.

All I think about this hamas being bad good or what not. It's a violation to humanity. A israelian minister said 2 days ago "We're planning on sending Gaza back to the medeaval age.
What the **** is that? Is it Adolf H talking from his grave or Napoleon anno 1795.


Question i'm asking myself is, why is the world just watching, doing nothing, not even sending diplomates to try and end this horror.
Is this ww2 all over, where we watch hitler slaughter poland, and wait a bit THEN react.


I could write a essay of how bad I think this is, but I guess I got my point out.

[_Dutchy_]

99% of the 'missles' fired on Israël are just fireworks on steroids.

The most used Hamas rocket is the Qassam rocket and the smallest yield that has is 5KG but the avarage yield is around 10-15KG of HE to compair it a RPG-7 has a 2.5K warhead and a AT-4 has a 1.5KG warhead ( depending on the type ) the biggest rocket hamas uses is the iranian Farj 5 wich has a yield of 90KG. Granted, the isreali's do use bigger munitions its simply stupid to consider the hamas rockets "fireworks on steriods"

[omier]

Is this ww2 all over, where we watch hitler slaughter poland, and wait a bit THEN react.

And then cooperate with the other side who also turns out to be as bad as the opposing one.

[XemnasXD]

I'm more skeptical of the hypocrites calling cbkilla out than I am of him having 3 dicks in his mouth. I mean its been proven time after time how Hamas operates... and suddenly they're innocent...

Could someone please inform me of when I should believe the media and when I shouldn't and also when I should trust the government and when I shouldn't? It seems you guys only trust them when it reinforces what you want to believe, then say they're a bunch of liars when it goes against your beliefs... Government good cause they give free stuff, government is evil cause they spy on civilians. Media good because they tell the truth and uncover corruption, media is evil liars cause they have an agenda and make up facts......

Terrorist can be anyone and they can be anywhere. They do not wear uniforms, they are people who subscribe to a set of ideals. That is what Hamas is and because of this they can be anywhere in Gaza which gives Israel justification for destroying ALL of Gaza because Hamas is a shadow that could be anywhere. The only way to completely remove it would be to kill every man woman and child in the area which is what these bombs are doing. Killing everyone indiscriminately because of the actions of a minority of people.

If you can't realize that then you should probably stop posting in this topic because you're no better than the ignorant hypocrites you were laughing at earlier.

[Aventus]

Siding with Israel on this one. Send Gaza back to the stone age so they know to stop Farking around.

[*BlackFox]

Send Gaza back to the stone age so they know to stop Farking around.

That will Just solve everything, huh?

[XemnasXD]

Americans love to sit so far away in the safety of the own homes and encourage murder...

[Aristocrat]

Is this ww2 all over, where we watch hitler slaughter poland, and wait a bit THEN react.

And then cooperate with the other side who also turns out to be as bad as the opposing one.

The winners always wright the history, the losers are the bad guys. In the 1st ww, the axis powers couldve been the good guys aswell as far as the history tells.


Terrorists or not, it's a crime against humanity since the targets arent military, it's against the geneveconvention.

[_Dutchy_]

I'm more skeptical of the hypocrites calling cbkilla out than I am of him having 3 dicks in his mouth. I mean its been proven time after time how Hamas operates... and suddenly they're innocent...

Could someone please inform me of when I should believe the media and when I shouldn't and also when I should trust the government and when I shouldn't? It seems you guys only trust them when it reinforces what you want to believe, then say they're a bunch of liars when it goes against your beliefs... Government good cause they give free stuff, government is evil cause they spy on civilians. Media good because they tell the truth and uncover corruption, media is evil liars cause they have an agenda and make up facts......

Terrorist can be anyone and they can be anywhere. They do not wear uniforms, they are people who subscribe to a set of ideals. That is what Hamas is and because of this they can be anywhere in Gaza which gives Israel justification for destroying ALL of Gaza because Hamas is a shadow that could be anywhere. The only way to completely remove it would be to kill every man woman and child in the area which is what these bombs are doing. Killing everyone indiscriminately because of the actions of a minority of people.

If you can't realize that then you should probably stop posting in this topic because you're no better than the ignorant hypocrites you were laughing at earlier.

Nearly 1.000 IAF strikes in 1 week and only 120 Death's and your saying isreal is bombing everything they see ? i don't know if you realise but isreal's bombing campaign is so acurate that 99% of the world country's could learn something of it.

You do also realise if isreal wanted to whipe gaza of the map they could use tactical nukes, Or start using Dumb bombing raids with 6-8 500KG bombs at a time or use there massive artillery to level gaza . But do you see them doing that ? no they are using surgical precision and yes Innocent poeple will die its war that happens.

[Aventus]

Send Gaza back to the stone age so they know to stop Farking around.

That will Just solve everything, huh?

Sure will.

*I know this is a complex situation and all.* With that said, the U.S. nuked japan 2 times, they stopped farking around now didn't they. All it takes is a quick showing of your military superiority and people quickly fall into line. So if it takes Israel breaking out the big guns real quick so be it. The last thing the world needs is even more tnt stacked on that ticking time bomb we call the middle east.

[XemnasXD]

I'm more skeptical of the hypocrites calling cbkilla out than I am of him having 3 dicks in his mouth. I mean its been proven time after time how Hamas operates... and suddenly they're innocent...

Could someone please inform me of when I should believe the media and when I shouldn't and also when I should trust the government and when I shouldn't? It seems you guys only trust them when it reinforces what you want to believe, then say they're a bunch of liars when it goes against your beliefs... Government good cause they give free stuff, government is evil cause they spy on civilians. Media good because they tell the truth and uncover corruption, media is evil liars cause they have an agenda and make up facts......

Terrorist can be anyone and they can be anywhere. They do not wear uniforms, they are people who subscribe to a set of ideals. That is what Hamas is and because of this they can be anywhere in Gaza which gives Israel justification for destroying ALL of Gaza because Hamas is a shadow that could be anywhere. The only way to completely remove it would be to kill every man woman and child in the area which is what these bombs are doing. Killing everyone indiscriminately because of the actions of a minority of people.

If you can't realize that then you should probably stop posting in this topic because you're no better than the ignorant hypocrites you were laughing at earlier.

Nearly 1.000 IAF strikes in 1 week and only 120 Death's and your saying isreal is bombing everything they see ? i don't know if you realise but isreal's bombing campaign is so acurate that 99% of the world country's could learn something of it.

You do also realise if isreal wanted to whipe gaza of the map they could use tactical nukes, Or start using Dumb bombing raids with 6-8 500KG bombs at a time or use there massive artillery to level gaza . But do you see them doing that ? no they are using surgical precision and yes Innocent poeple will die its war that happens.

Surgical precision for what? What are the targets? The rockets haven't stopped or even slowed down so they're clearly NOT hitting Hamas. I'm glad you think the world should learn how to strategically wipe out a family of 11 though.

[_Dutchy_]

They haven't slowed down ? maybe you should check those figurs again because the amount of rockets that have been fired has been going down all week. And what are they destroying ? Military infrastructure launch pads, munitions depots and command and control structures.
and serously your gonna try and twist my words ? i told you that innocent poeple will die but it doesn't take away the fact that the bombing campaign has been extremely precise.

[XemnasXD]

They haven't slowed down ? maybe you should check those figurs again because the amount of rockets that have been fired has been going down all week. And what are they destroying ? Military infrastructure launch pads, munitions depots and command and control structures.
and serously your gonna try and twist my words ? i told you that innocent poeple will die but it doesn't take away the fact that the bombing campaign has been extremely precise.

So those TV stations, those hospitals, those schools, those homes. They were all military structures?

[omier]

The winners always wright the history, the losers are the bad guys. In the 1st ww, the axis powers couldve been the good guys aswell as far as the history tells.


Terrorists or not, it's a crime against humanity since the targets arent military, it's against the geneveconvention.

I happen to be on the side of the losers in history, but there are conflicts where I don't like neither, like the WWs.

[TheDrop]

Obviously both sides are in the wrong (Hamas & Israel)
Hamas dont seem to understand that regardless of how many fireworks they lob across, they will only be killing their own civilians.
I wonder if palestinians tried civil disobedience and peaceful protests they would be seen more favorably, but then again they probably wouldnt be seen (acknowledged) at all

Palestine was never a country it was no more then territories. Israel did nothing different then what the Americans did with the Native Americans except the fact that we did actually live here first.

By that definition, Israel should never have been a country either, as it was just a supposed land grant from "god" in the Holy Book of Bullshit 5000 (or so) years ago.
So who deserve the land more, people that have been living there for centuries since before the Ottoman Empire, or some shitheads that lived there when Cyrus was king in the Persian Empire?

Also when did what Americans did to Natives become a model of morality? It was a disgrace and the same thing (by your logic) should not be happening in the 21st century

[_Dutchy_]

They haven't slowed down ? maybe you should check those figurs again because the amount of rockets that have been fired has been going down all week. And what are they destroying ? Military infrastructure launch pads, munitions depots and command and control structures.
and serously your gonna try and twist my words ? i told you that innocent poeple will die but it doesn't take away the fact that the bombing campaign has been extremely precise.

So those TV stations, those hospitals, those schools, those homes. They were all military structures?

TV-stations are comunication hubs purely by the kind of infrastructure, Schools and homes are all being used as amunition dumps and as far as i have heard no hospitals have been bombed. But if you have a link then please show me.

[cbkilla]

aaaaand now they're blowing up buses in Tel Aviv. I wasnt working there today but i am tomorrow and im not exactly looking forward to it. I wasnt sure if i wanted ground forces to enter gaza but after this i really see no choice. They need to go in and just flush hamas out of gaza, they arent doing good to either side.

[_Dutchy_]

aaaaand now they're blowing up buses in Tel Aviv. I wasnt working there today but i am tomorrow and im not exactly looking forward to it. I wasnt sure if i wanted ground forces to enter gaza but after this i really see no choice. They need to go in and just flush hamas out of gaza, they arent doing good to either side.

Any deaths ? as far as i heard it was just wounded and it wasn't a suicide attack was it ?

[cbkilla]

The ER director at the Sourasky Medical Center in Tel Aviv said that 21 people arrived at the hospital after the terror attack in Tel Aviv. Three people who suffer mainly from shrapnel wounds are in surgery. Twelve others are at the hospital for observation. Six people were discharged. (Carmit Reuven and Gilad Morag)

Defense officials estimated that the terror attack in Tel Aviv was the result of a hurried attempt to carry out an attack in the Israeli hinterland and not part of a large terror campaign.

They added the device was likely very small and not carried by a suicide bomber. The Shin Bet is checking whether the attack is related to one of the current alerts for a possible attack originating from the West Bank. (Yoav Zitun)

I highly doubt theres gunna be a cease fire anytime soon after this. Considering its nearly impossible to get through the gaza border these terrorist probably came from the west bank which is going to messy if things escalate there cause then Lebanon will definitely join in.

[CrimsonNuker]

aaaaand now they're blowing up buses in Tel Aviv. I wasnt working there today but i am tomorrow and im not exactly looking forward to it. I wasnt sure if i wanted ground forces to enter gaza but after this i really see no choice. They need to go in and just flush hamas out of gaza, they arent doing good to either side.

Any deaths ? as far as i heard it was just wounded and it wasn't a suicide attack was it ?

From the Hamas?

[Aristocrat]

Send Gaza back to the stone age so they know to stop Farking around.

That will Just solve everything, huh?

Sure will.

*I know this is a complex situation and all.* With that said, the U.S. nuked japan 2 times, they stopped farking around now didn't they. All it takes is a quick showing of your military superiority and people quickly fall into line. So if it takes Israel breaking out the big guns real quick so be it. The last thing the world needs is even more tnt stacked on that ticking time bomb we call the middle east.

with this theory, lets just blow up half of the countries in africa, they are mean to eachother, and hey USA has started more wars in the time it's been a country then any other power in the last 600 years so hey, lets blow up the States aswell.

[Bartic]

That will Just solve everything, huh?

Sure will.

*I know this is a complex situation and all.* With that said, the U.S. nuked japan 2 times, they stopped farking around now didn't they. All it takes is a quick showing of your military superiority and people quickly fall into line. So if it takes Israel breaking out the big guns real quick so be it. The last thing the world needs is even more tnt stacked on that ticking time bomb we call the middle east.

with this theory, lets just blow up half of the countries in africa, they are mean to eachother, and hey USA has started more wars in the time it's been a country then any other power in the last 600 years so hey, lets blow up the States aswell.

I second this.

[_Dutchy_]

with this theory, lets just blow up half of the countries in africa, they are mean to eachother, and hey USA has started more wars in the time it's been a country then any other power in the last 600 years so hey, lets blow up the States aswell.

I think you need to brush up on your history. Europe is the king of war and will remain so for quite some time the british and french hell even the dutch have started more wars then the USA. Granted the USA has been drawn into allot of conflicts the last 50 Years but that comes with being a superpower same happens to Russia.

[Bartic]

with this theory, lets just blow up half of the countries in africa, they are mean to eachother, and hey USA has started more wars in the time it's been a country then any other power in the last 600 years so hey, lets blow up the States aswell.

I think you need to brush up on your history. Europe is the king of war and will remain so for quite some time the british and french hell even the dutch have started more wars then the USA. Granted the USA has been drawn into allot of conflicts the last 50 Years but that comes with being a superpower same happens to Russia.

I'm pretty sure he meant (wars started)/(years of existence).