Religion ( a must see )

[NuclearSilo]

Repeating over and over again pretty much.

Too lazy to explain with words

[EvGa]

^^ Strong lack of understanding of the scientific method. Adapting to knew understanding is how science works. You seem to think that if new information was presented tomorrow that conclusively disproved the big bang theory that I would still hold strong to the BBT. Nope, I would update my own understanding and 'beliefs.' Beliefs and understanding are not set in stone, you are free to change and better them both.

Being stuck in the past is how religion works.

Not sure what your drawing has to do with iGod's logic picture...

[Shomari]

Being stuck in the past is how religion works.

Because it does not need to be changed.

[VforVendetta]

Being stuck in the past is how religion works.

Because it does not need to be changed.

You're right, it needs to be removed entirely for the human race to make any form of progress.

[EvGa]

Being stuck in the past is how religion works.

Because it does not need to be changed.

Not sure if serious. Want to expand on this?

But at the same time I agree, it shouldn't change. So that maybe it will die out.

[Shomari]

Being stuck in the past is how religion works.

Because it does not need to be changed.

You're right, it needs to be removed entirely for the human race to make any form of progress.

How is it hindering progress?

Being stuck in the past is how religion works.

Because it does not need to be changed.

Not sure if serious. Want to expand on this?

But at the same time I agree, it shouldn't change. So that maybe it will die out.

Why change something that works fine? (At least my religion works for me and does not hinder me or rather change my life in any negative way.)
Why do want it to die out?

[EvGa]

How is it hindering progress?

BRB Not teaching evolution in schools. BRB Not funding stem cell research. BRB killing those who don't believe what I do. BRB Adjusting history books to fit my religious agenda (look up Texas School board.) BRB Killing abortion doctors. BRB Being bigots, not allowing gays to marry. BRB Being bigots in general. BRB Being fine and complacent with understanding of our world from 2000 years ago. (god dun did it). BRB Telling Africans not to use condoms. BRB - Death to gays (Uganda). Ok you get the picture.

Sure, plenty of people don't fit these extremes, but as a whole religion can be used to justify some extremely retarded stuff. Yes, people could find ways to justify some of these things without religion, but not a majority of them. I'm going to have to guess that not as many people would blow themselves up if they didn't believe in an eternal afterlife. Or be so hostile towards science (usually when it contradicts their book) if they were not so caught up in religious fairytales. Etc...

[Blurred]

Like a powerful scientific reaction, perhaps?

Maybe, maybe not, a higher being could of created the items necessary for a scientific reaction to occur.

its a common thing to believe that anything created must be created by a knowledgeable creature, but its a misconception, there is nothing to prove that only a creature can create something, thus making a being creator not a only option

Then that theory can apply to a god, no? o.o

[Shomari]

How is it hindering progress?

BRB Not teaching evolution in schools. BRB Not funding stem cell research. BRB killing those who don't believe what I do. BRB Adjusting history books to fit my religious agenda (look up Texas School board.) BRB Killing abortion doctors. BRB Being bigots, not allowing gays to marry. BRB Being bigots in general. BRB Being fine and complacent with understanding of our world from 2000 years ago. (god dun did it). BRB Telling Africans not to use condoms. BRB - Death to gays (Uganda). Ok you get the picture.

Sure, plenty of people don't fit these extremes, but as a whole religion can be used to justify some extremely retarded stuff. Yes, people could find ways to justify some of these things without religion, but not a majority of them. I'm going to have to guess that not as many people would blow themselves up if they didn't believe in an eternal afterlife. Or be so hostile towards science (usually when it contradicts their book) if they were not so caught up in religious fairytales. Etc...

I think it is rather the people that are at fault, while religion acts as a catalyst to these acts. It's rather sad that such people give a rather bad name to religion.
Btw I learned evolution in school, so wtf.

[NuclearSilo]

I think it'd be way cooler if we still thought that thunder comes from the gods' chariot race and that we must sacrifice stuff to keep the old spirits content.. and we could sacrifice NuclerSilos, too.

Hey, he believes in ghosts, he could come and haunt us.

We'd probably have to sacrifice more NuclearSilos to keep the ghosts happy then...

Also don't forget to stop destroying forests and the environment for nuclear weapon and resources, or the nature spirit will haunt you.

^^ Strong lack of understanding of the scientific method. Adapting to knew understanding is how science works. You seem to think that if new information was presented tomorrow that conclusively disproved the big bang theory that I would still hold strong to the BBT. Nope, I would update my own understanding and 'beliefs.' Beliefs and understanding are not set in stone, you are free to change and better them both.

I never say something about disproving the big bang. I only say that everything we know till now only apply to our time, to our current understanding of physic. Law of physic changes and updates over time. Today the earth is expanding => big bang theory. Who knows if 1B years later, it starts to contract like a heart?
That's why claims such as "It's impossible that..." or "I'm sure that..." don't make any sense.


I think it's time you stop asking question such as "what's the evidence of God?", "how God does...etc...?", "Why would God...?".
Start to ask "Would believing in God help myself being a good person?", "what's the con and pro of believing in God?", "if we remove one reason to keep human being good, how many people will turn to bad side?"

Being stuck in the past is how religion works.

Because it does not need to be changed.

You're right, it needs to be removed entirely for the human race to make any form of progress.

It's not the belief in God that stop human to progress. It's man. Am I not clear? It's whoever uses God as reason to accommodate his advantage. We destroy ourself. We kill each other. It's not the belief that destroy us.

[TheDrop]

Strong reading comprehension... (Bold)

Second, I thought I was posting in a forum. You know, where people discuss things. Oh wait, you are elevating religion to it's untouchable status, typical. Like I said earlier, I rarely discuss religion outside forums / internet unless specifically asked.

I'm not saying religion > atheism or the other way around, what im saying is there is no point in a religion-bashing (or atheism-bashing) thread. Yes its a discussion board, but religion has been discussed over and over in these forums, and it usually ends in a lock after long ass posts + flames or dies out after the thiests go "yeah yeah w/e" so the atheists are just discussing among themselves about how stupid religion is.

BRB Not teaching evolution in schools. BRB Not funding stem cell research. BRB killing those who don't believe what I do. BRB Adjusting history books to fit my religious agenda (look up Texas School board.) BRB Killing abortion doctors. BRB Being bigots, not allowing gays to marry. BRB Being bigots in general. BRB Being fine and complacent with understanding of our world from 2000 years ago. (god dun did it). BRB Telling Africans not to use condoms. BRB - Death to gays (Uganda). Ok you get the picture.

Sure, plenty of people don't fit these extremes, but as a whole religion can be used to justify some extremely retarded stuff. Yes, people could find ways to justify some of these things without religion, but not a majority of them. I'm going to have to guess that not as many people would blow themselves up if they didn't believe in an eternal afterlife. Or be so hostile towards science (usually when it contradicts their book) if they were not so caught up in religious fairytales. Etc...

you are talking as if you are either a hardcore atheist or an extremist. I know many people who believe in god yet still believe in science

anyways, /leaves thread

[.curve]

It's not the belief in God that stop human to progress. It's man. Am I not clear? It's whoever uses God as reason to accommodate his advantage. We destroy ourself. We kill each other. It's not the belief that destroy us.

Most wars, battles, fights, conflicts, feuds are, at their roots, religion based.

[Barotix]

Let's see if I understand, magical dude ? cool, talking snake ? cool, resurrecting jewish superbeing who can pull all sort of bullshit while contradicting himself on top of being a flawed character ? cool, punishing humanity for eating an apple ? cool, events happening in 7 days FHGKLJHLK:JHKHGJGFKJHGKLJHKJH cannot compute.

You are also forgetting God is a perfect being and off this title he inherits traits such as always in effect perfect communication skills ( the same title that makes his existence impossible ), this alone destroys the structure of our tale when any conflict regarding the story occurs. Anyways you are trying to decide who among the insane has the better story on x subject and as I see it that has little worth when you take all things into considering.

Getting some sleep here, later.

Let me try and spell it out for you:

The bible. Yes, the bible. Does not say "The earth is X y/o," God created the earth in "Y" and it is "X" years old. This is not a contradiction. It is the interpretation of extremist Christians. You do not. No, YOU SHOULD NOT take these groups seriously. As I posted, it's hard enough taking Magical Talking Snakes and Supernatural Events (Resurrections) seriously. You want me to accept the interpretation of bigoted backwater uneducated rednecks seriously. Yeah, again, not happening. I will consider what the mainstream Christians accept: It was not 7 literal days, it as an unspecified amount of time that only their God could possibly understand. The age of the Earth? We know it. What kind of person, other than an extremist, would ignore that we know how old the Earth is.

always in effect perfect communication skills

One thing I want to pick at is this. What does that even mean? You take things that can be summed up in a word or two (your massive paragraph about indoctrinating children or your rants about non-initiation of force.) His Omnipresence? How does Omnipresence contradict him. I mean, seriously. Some Americans think Obama is Muslim, screw the fact that we know he isn't. Because some people think it's true it must be. Your logic is like the people you appear to despise, tbh.

You have a tree, you have a couple rotten apples.
The whole tree is terrible, cut it down.
The... whole tree?
Yes. The whole tree.

this alone destroys the structure of our tale when any conflict regarding the story occurs

This last part is down right stupid, if you've spent more than 10 minutes reading the bible you'd realize along with Jewish History it's full of metaphors and fables.

Man trying to understand where we came from? I'm going to go ahead and call that a fictional story.
Prophets? It's called... wait for it... foreshadowing. A very common literary tool.
Angels coming down to fight wars for Jewish Kings? Man, Angels totally came down and fought that war. Let's forget the previous chapter where they depict real Jews fighting a real war without any Angels. Angels? Dramatic effect.
Psalms? David likes to sing, the guy can spit some wicked sick.

It's not the belief in God that stop human to progress. It's man. Am I not clear? It's whoever uses God as reason to accommodate his advantage. We destroy ourself. We kill each other. It's not the belief that destroy us.

Most wars, battles, fights, conflicts, feuds are, at their roots, man being stupid based.

Also, most people that believe in "a God" of sorts are non-denominational. We're taught these stories, we grow up, we doubt the stories, we're introduced to science and our own logic as children contradicts the stories *Daddy, the snake in the store didn't talk!* *Snakes don't talk, son* *What about the snake in the Garden?* *Err*. We fall into one of four groups:

A]We convert to another religion or stick to our religion but it doesn't play an important part of your life. It's just that thing you believe in.
B]Deism without the religious hub-bub.
*C]You don't believe in a higher power.
D]Your religion is #1, screw the facts you have your religious beliefs! Hell, you don't even have to fully understand your own beliefs!

*Buddhist fall into this group.

Most people fall into group A or B. Then you have group D, the loudest and - by far - the most annoying group. Finally group C. Group C is like a bag of Jelly beans, so many different types!

[NuclearSilo]

It's not the belief in God that stop human to progress. It's man. Am I not clear? It's whoever uses God as reason to accommodate his advantage. We destroy ourself. We kill each other. It's not the belief that destroy us.

Most wars, battles, fights, conflicts, feuds are, at their roots, religion based.

Men are the cause. If they don't know how to find a way to leave peacefully together, war is inevitable. Conflict (mentally/materially) => war
Flamewar/argue in SRF for example, is a conflict. Everyone wants to prove we're right. Disrespect of other's belief => conflict.

Freedom and respect is the key of the peace. Whenever there is a tyrant "you have to do this, you have to do that, you can't do this, you can't do that...", there is war.

It's not about being religious that cause the war, but it's about how you govern a country, how you setup rules and laws.

[Nick Invaders]

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[.curve]

It's not the belief in God that stop human to progress. It's man. Am I not clear? It's whoever uses God as reason to accommodate his advantage. We destroy ourself. We kill each other. It's not the belief that destroy us.

Most wars, battles, fights, conflicts, feuds are, at their roots, religion based.

Men are the cause. If they don't know how to find a way to leave peacefully together, war is inevitable. Conflict (mentally/materially) => war
Flamewar/argue in SRF for example, is a conflict. Everyone wants to prove we're right. Disrespect of other's belief => conflict.

Freedom and respect is the key of the peace. Whenever there is a tyrant "you have to do this, you have to do that, you can't do this, you can't do that...", there is war.

It's not about being religious that cause the war, but it's about how you govern a country, how you setup rules and laws.

Men are the participants. Religion is usually at the root of a war or conflict. History has shown this many times.

[Skyve]

Abiogenesis is impossible, Aristotle the Father of Biology said so.

Be hatin' on mah Gr.10 Biology skillz

[Shomari]

We fall into one of five groups:

A]We convert to another religion or stick to our religion but it doesn't play an important part of your life. It's just that thing you believe in.
B]Deism without the religious hub-bub.
*C]You don't believe in a higher power.
D]Your religion is #1, screw the facts you have your religious beliefs! Hell, you don't even have to fully understand your own beliefs!

*Buddhist fall into this group.

Most people fall into group A or B. Then you have group D, the loudest and - by far - the most annoying group. Finally group C. Group C is like a bag of Jelly beans, so many different types!

E]Religion has the highest priority which you understand. The facts are also fully understood and accepted.

[Mirosuke]

I shouldn't post here because this is irrelevant to me, but since everyones do it...

[EvGa]

Most people fall into group A or B. Then you have group D, the loudest and - by far - the most annoying group. Finally group C. Group C is like a bag of Jelly beans, so many different types!

Where do you live? Around here the majority fall into group D, or put on the D persona whenever an issue comes up that they think their religion has a say in. Major problem.

[b]Abiogenesis is impossible, Aristotle the Father of Biology said so.[/b

No.

you are talking as if you are either a hardcore atheist or an extremist. I know many people who believe in god yet still believe in science

Shomari needed examples. Yes, there are some religious people that accept science, yada yada. We're not talking about those. They are not the ones pushing the idiotic legislation through, blowing people up, telling Africans not to wear condoms (thanks pope..), etc... I'm not hardcore or extreme. It is frustrating to live here and hear the things I do come out of the religious people's mouth's. Ignorance.

[SM-Count]

A]We convert to another religion or stick to our religion but it doesn't play an important part of your life. It's just that thing you believe in.
B]Deism without the religious hub-bub.
*C]You don't believe in a higher power.
D]Your religion is #1, screw the facts you have your religious beliefs! Hell, you don't even have to fully understand your own beliefs!

*Buddhist fall into this group.

Most people fall into group A or B. Then you have group D, the loudest and - by far - the most annoying group. Finally group C. Group C is like a bag of Jelly beans, so many different types!

I dunno... super-atheists that have an overwhelming desire to have everyone around them know they are atheist and make it their personal crusade to stomp out religion in everyone they have ever come into contact with are just as, if not more, annoying and loud as group D.

[EvGa]

I dunno... super-atheists that have an overwhelming desire to have everyone around them know they are atheist and make it their personal crusade to stomp out religion in everyone they have ever come into contact with are just as, if not more, annoying and loud as group D.

There was one of those at my towns high school graduation last week. I went to see a friends brother graduate and after the prayer a guy yelled out 666. Fu.cking douchebag. I took my hat off and stared at the ground, not so much out of respect, but for fear of being shot (during the prayer).

[Blurred]

Let's see if I understand, magical dude ? cool, talking snake ? cool, resurrecting jewish superbeing who can pull all sort of bullshit while contradicting himself on top of being a flawed character ? cool, punishing humanity for eating an apple ? cool, events happening in 7 days FHGKLJHLK:JHKHGJGFKJHGKLJHKJH cannot compute.

You are also forgetting God is a perfect being and off this title he inherits traits such as always in effect perfect communication skills ( the same title that makes his existence impossible ), this alone destroys the structure of our tale when any conflict regarding the story occurs. Anyways you are trying to decide who among the insane has the better story on x subject and as I see it that has little worth when you take all things into considering.

Getting some sleep here, later.

Let me try and spell it out for you:

The bible. Yes, the bible. Does not say "The earth is X y/o," God created the earth in "Y" and it is "X" years old. This is not a contradiction. It is the interpretation of extremist Christians. You do not. No, YOU SHOULD NOT take these groups seriously. As I posted, it's hard enough taking Magical Talking Snakes and Supernatural Events (Resurrections) seriously. You want me to accept the interpretation of bigoted backwater uneducated rednecks seriously. Yeah, again, not happening. I will consider what the mainstream Christians accept: It was not 7 literal days, it as an unspecified amount of time that only their God could possibly understand. The age of the Earth? We know it. What kind of person, other than an extremist, would ignore that we know how old the Earth is.

always in effect perfect communication skills

One thing I want to pick at is this. What does that even mean? You take things that can be summed up in a word or two (your massive paragraph about indoctrinating children or your rants about non-initiation of force.) His Omnipresence? How does Omnipresence contradict him. I mean, seriously. Some Americans think Obama is Muslim, screw the fact that we know he isn't. Because some people think it's true it must be. Your logic is like the people you appear to despise, tbh.

You have a tree, you have a couple rotten apples.
The whole tree is terrible, cut it down.
The... whole tree?
Yes. The whole tree.

this alone destroys the structure of our tale when any conflict regarding the story occurs

This last part is down right stupid, if you've spent more than 10 minutes reading the bible you'd realize along with Jewish History it's full of metaphors and fables.

Man trying to understand where we came from? I'm going to go ahead and call that a fictional story.
Prophets? It's called... wait for it... foreshadowing. A very common literary tool.
Angels coming down to fight wars for Jewish Kings? Man, Angels totally came down and fought that war. Let's forget the previous chapter where they depict real Jews fighting a real war without any Angels. Angels? Dramatic effect.
Psalms? David likes to sing, the guy can spit some wicked sick.

It's not the belief in God that stop human to progress. It's man. Am I not clear? It's whoever uses God as reason to accommodate his advantage. We destroy ourself. We kill each other. It's not the belief that destroy us.

Most wars, battles, fights, conflicts, feuds are, at their roots, man being stupid based.

Also, most people that believe in "a God" of sorts are non-denominational. We're taught these stories, we grow up, we doubt the stories, we're introduced to science and our own logic as children contradicts the stories *Daddy, the snake in the store didn't talk!* *Snakes don't talk, son* *What about the snake in the Garden?* *Err*. We fall into one of four groups:

A]We convert to another religion or stick to our religion but it doesn't play an important part of your life. It's just that thing you believe in.
B]Deism without the religious hub-bub.
*C]You don't believe in a higher power.
D]Your religion is #1, screw the facts you have your religious beliefs! Hell, you don't even have to fully understand your own beliefs!

*Buddhist fall into this group.

Most people fall into group A or B. Then you have group D, the loudest and - by far - the most annoying group. Finally group C. Group C is like a bag of Jelly beans, so many different types!

I think I'm the only one here that falls under B.

[TOloseGT]

i'm officially an agnostic

uh oh

[Skyve]

[b]Abiogenesis is impossible, Aristotle the Father of Biology said so.[/b

No.

Yeah,just throwing something from my Bio class I've never been interested into the Science v.s Religion battle but I'd like to know whats the usual argument from Atheist about the theory that Abiogenesis is "impossible".

[Gaigemasta]

i'm officially an agnostic

uh oh

shun the the non-believer SHUUUUUUUUN!

[EvGa]

i'm officially an agnostic

uh oh

By default that also makes you an atheist.

ExSoldier, watch this:

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That's the basics of it.

Gaige, you have a new post in the Last Hope thread.

[Skyve]

Nice video,so Abiogenesis has nothing to do with Evolution. And I'm guessing Evolution is the main argument of Atheist so Abiogenesis is irrelevant =O

[Nick Invaders]

God is a contradiction...
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[EvGa]

ExSoldier, There are many different 'arguments for atheism'. The thing that deters me from believing in a God is, why should I? What evidence is there that a God exists? Atheists come to the conclusion by many different means and arguments. I wouldn't call evolution an argument really, it's just a fact of life.

Correct, abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution. Evolution explains how living organisms change, adapt, speciate, etc. ('evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms through successive generations.' This leads to new species) It deals with already living organisms, not how these organisms came to be alive, that's abiogenesis' job.