Death Penalty

[Mr.Ganji]

I mean 10 years to prove his inocence, if he can't prove it: death penalty

There is no time limit to proving your innocence. I was merely using 10 years as an example of a period of time someone might spend his/her life in jail while innocent of any crime. Our justice system is not perfect.

[Barotix]

Jeez, 3 pages. I have some reading to do.
OnT: I still stand by property rights, but Xemnas brings up a good point. So far we have been focusing on physical crimes like rape, murder, and molestation, but what about crimes that caused monetary damage? Many have proposed "eye for an eye [...] Hammurabi's code, etc" but how would one apply "eye for an eye" to large scale scams or even small scale bank heist? If you take money out of a large population by scamming them then you will be scammed or robbed of your wealth in return or would capital punishment be the answer as well?

[Peaslums]

ive been a fan of eye for an eye, even though there are problems. Actually im a fan of slightly harsher eye for and eye. Example: criminal rapes a young girl = criminal gets raped with splintered 4x4 post.

everyone's happy

[Barotix]

ive been a fan of eye for an eye, even though there are problems. Actually im a fan of slightly harsher eye for and eye. Example: criminal rapes a young girl = criminal gets raped with splintered 4x4 post.

everyone's happy

The young girl and her family still have to pay for her recovery. Make the criminal suffer a monetary loss rather than physical abuse in return. I raise the question Xemnas raised and expand on it: How would you deal with large scale monetary fraud?

[nohunta]

I was always and "Eye for an Eye" type of person.

[heroo]

True about having a problem if someone turns out to be innocent.

But I think we should sentence someone to death only if it is 100% certain that someone is guilty.

[Mr.Ganji]

True about having a problem if someone turns out to be innocent.

But I think we should sentence someone to death only if it is 100% certain that someone is guilty.

But see, we never are 100% sure about anything. That's why the death penalty should be abolished. Losing a couple years of your life and being declared innocent is a lot better than being declared innocent after they've fried you in a chair.

[heroo]

True about having a problem if someone turns out to be innocent.

But I think we should sentence someone to death only if it is 100% certain that someone is guilty.

But see, we never are 100% sure about anything. That's why the death penalty should be abolished. Losing a couple years of your life and being declared innocent is a lot better than being declared innocent after they've fried you in a chair.

If someone admits it, we know for 100% sure, and if he lies, well then we are doing him a favour I guess.

[XemnasXD]

an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

Also i can only surmise that the reason no has touched on this issue of mass corporate fraud is that they just don't care which leave to believe that this whole death penalty thing is just revenge fueled by disgust and that angry mob attitude i mentioned earlier. You people aren't after justice your just angry, and some of you are angry and stupid. You want to punish a man lock him in dark cell for 25 years and leave him to himself, until you live that kind of life i don't think you can call it a walk in the park. Contrary to popular belief most maximum security prisons are no picnic, you get 3 meals a day and a cot, its not a day spa. There are prisons that seem more like day spas, thats where most corporate crimes end up ironically. I'll be the first to agree that prison life can be harder and the first to agree that they system should be set up to take as much burden off the tax payers as possible.

Those kinks need to be worked out but killing someone is just letting them off the hook, i said early that there are worse things than death and someone asked what, try life in darkness with no freedom and just enough food to survive off of in a hostile environment where you can be raped or beat just for shits and giggles. Its a well known fact that child sex offenders have the WORST time in prison. I'd like to see anyone of you spend 20 or 30 years in a place like that and not wish they hadn't just killed you and been done with it because it not like once you get out you have sunshine and daisies to look forward to. Your branded for life like a sick cow. Your on every record, theres no way you'll be able to get a respectable job, the chances of you settling down with someone are slim to none even if theres not that much psychological damage done from your stay in prison. The only thing you have to look forward to is spending the rest of your life alone with no one to care about you and everyone avoiding you moving from place to place once to many people find out about your past. The way you emo bastards act about losing a GF you'd probably off yourself under those conditions.

The guy served his time, he's got nothing to look forward to, leave him alone. Thats like adding insult to injury then beating you with flaming bat wrapped in barbed wire. From the outside its easy to be like "Omg he completely deserves that he deserves blah blah but if you put down your pitch forks you'd realize he's already in his own personal hell and that tormenting him more will probably just cause him to act out against society in an extremely violent way, you know those douche bags who hold up a store and then kill everyone and then themselves or that guy who kidnapped and raped that little girl then killed her then himself cause he didn't want to go back to jail. So back the f*ck off and return to you wonderful little lives and stop passing judgment on people like your God's right hand man cause people like that are the first ones to forget "Let he without sin cast the first stone"...you've all done something wrong and most of you have paid for it, some worse than others, you don't need some d*ck bag reminding you of what YOU already know YOU did 24/7.

[Homie]

I think we need a cooler, yo. It's getting hot in here Oh, and death penalty = bullshit revenge complex thing. Become someone's bitch in prison and tell me you still want to live.

[LillDev!l]

bad points about death penalty are, you also make the friends/fammily of the one sentenced to death suffer.
innocent ppl sentenced to death cant be compensated for, coz they dead.
and if 1 murder leads to a death penalty, theres a good chance that murderer will murder plenty more people, coz it has the same punishment on it, and if thats whats needed to possibly get away, he wont care anymore.

besides, i think capital punishment only work when criminals plan their crime, if its in a situation like, some guy sleeps with his wife >> guy goes insane, grabs a gun, and kills the guy, he dint think about the punishment he'dd get for it.
so even though he will be executed then, i dont think it would bring down the crime rates a lot.

just my 2 cents (and dint read whole topic, so aint sure if some off this stuff was posted before )

[Peaslums]

well since eye for an eye won't work and everyone has a problem with death penalty, we need something in the middle. maybe we don't kill them, but we can put them in a medically induced coma for life. or permanent vegitative state or something

[Jstar1]

well since eye for an eye won't work and everyone has a problem with death penalty, we need something in the middle. maybe we don't kill them, but we can put them in a medically induced coma for life. or permanent vegitative state or something

thats going to cost a lot of money maintaining the technology going into that. And what if something goes wrong and you try to wake the guy up but he doesn't?

[Barotix]

Make them suffer a monetary loss.

[Priam]

Anything monetary doesn't deserve a thing like the death penalty. Can't kill someone for taking you money. Jail sentence it is. Length depending on the nature of the crime. Severe monitoring of the person should he get out at some point.

[Stephanus]

There are worse things than death...

Oh really?I can't imagine anything worse than that

Cutting off your limbs, mutilate your body and using you as torture doll for the rest of your life.
How about that?:)
There is a LOT of ways and methods that will break you, humiliate you enough so you WILL end your life.

[Snoopy]

I think in some cases the death penalty isn't such a bad thing. Some cases, not all cases.

Some on the other hand, don't deserve it.

[Stephanus]

ive been a fan of eye for an eye, even though there are problems. Actually im a fan of slightly harsher eye for and eye. Example: criminal rapes a young girl = criminal gets raped with splintered 4x4 post.

everyone's happy

The young girl and her family still have to pay for her recovery. Make the criminal suffer a monetary loss rather than physical abuse in return. I raise the question Xemnas raised and expand on it: How would you deal with large scale monetary fraud?

By paying for sins... you legalise crime.
Crime would have a price. Ppl could buy your crimes. So publishing a movie about real rape would be legal. Sure it will be expensive, but you could order it, pay for it. Watch it. Just for some extra cash.

[Stephanus]

*****

sh.it, double post T_T