XemnasXD wrote: don't confuse extremity with stupidity....you are not hxc and no one is confusing you for that...
Ok fine, I'm extremely stupid xD Whatever floats your boat, I don't mind the name calling, call me whatever you want. The way I post in a forum does not reflect the way I act when I'm around real people.
Too bad that the veil of anonymity shows people as they really are.
On the topic, I don't see what beating up the shooter would accomplish. Or calling him a piece of shit. You can't choose your mental state, not even if you're a psychologist. I find it quite sad and ironic that there was nobody to help the helper...
Oh, before some dickhead attacks me for this post.. Maybe it's best to mention that I don't justify the shootings in any way. I've also served in my country's military.
XemnasXD wrote:Im not assuming im stating. I had typed up a nice statement trying to talk to you as if you were capable of empathy but we both know you're beyond that. So emotional junk aside the man was depressed and the reasons for his depression were very clear. Red flags should've gone off somewhere. I know its somebody's job to help these kinds of people because its not like stress disorders are unheard of in the armed forces. So im stating, not assuming, this is me TELLING you that people need to start paying more attention to these types of cases before they escalate to this level.
Yeah he didn't have to shoot up the place, no shit. But he did, and theres a reason why he did. He didn't just wake up and go nuts, this was a process. If you don't care about the process or if its irrelevant to you than thats your MO but if thats the mindset you think everyone should take away from this than it will happen again and again and again and each time you can sit there and just keep saying "Well it was his decision to the pull the trigger, he didn't have to shoot up the place, no use looking our for these types of people." See how far that gets you and the rest of us...
I may be mistaken but haven't people tried to "help" before in situations like this? It's such a complex issue that all we can do is throw our hands up because there is ALWAYS going to be one bad egg that makes the wrong decision.
Empathy is worth jack shit when you kill 13 people. I might feel sorry for him up till that point, but not now. There are plenty of alternatives than just going on a killing spree. Those people who aren't absolute nutjobs realize this regardless of their meager level of "depression."
Reise wrote:There are plenty of alternatives than just going on a killing spree. Those people who aren't absolute nutjobs realize this regardless of their meager level of "depression."
Did the shooter have a meager level of "depression"?
I didn't ask you to feel sorry for him. I asked for empathy, understanding.
Its not a throw your hands up issue, that man was in the service for 20 years and probably helped keep many people from reaching the point he did. All the news reports clearly show that he made his issues clear and his deteriorating mental state was evident. Those are red flags and it shouldn't have slipped by. Like i said this wasn't an overnight thing and it could've been prevented.
He was one of the people who helped other discover alternative depending on the severity of their depression, someone should've been able to help him. Also im not sure if that "meager level of depression" was directed at the shooter or at the kind of servicemen who would rely on someone like the shooter, either way it doesn't help your point to diminish the mental sufferings of others...
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My point is that it's insulting to those who died to be sitting here trying to see things from his point of view.
I didn't want to be blunt, but f*ck his reasons. Are we supposed to treat him differently because he couldn't hack it mentally? Are we supposed to go, "Oh well he killed 13 people and injured 30 others, but he was mentally unstable so it's not his fault?" No.
Understanding is fine and good, but it's pointless. What's done is done.
You can say people should have done this, and they should have done that. In the end he farked up. It's no one's fault but his.
It's not insulting to do that imo. Im a person who tries to understand. You can say **** him and **** this and **** that but if you don't see something here that people can learn from then i think YOU are insulting them imo.
People aren't in the world alone and like i've said multiple times this was not a spur of the moment thing. This was a process and many many people were involved. Maybe the way you think allows you to shift blame solely to the shooter but the way i think shows me a web of people surrounding the shooter. Did he kill those people, yes. But in the same way that i blame the american people for allowing their representatives to allow the war in Iraq i can blame those people who should've seen the signs of this event coming and did nothing to stop it. There are connections here and more guilty parties than most people would like to admit.
Thats just the way i think i don't expect you to understand it or agree with it but thats the way i look at things. The families of those who died have my empathy but im not about to ignore the entire social construct aka life and all those involved that lead up to this point just so i can have a place to put my anger over this incident...
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The guy wasn't even going to be going to the front line he was going to be stationed to counsel other troops in Afghanistan. It's hard to see the signs of this coming with an army of over 1 million people.
