Man Throws Shoes At Bush In Iraq During Press Conference

[Mr.Ganji]

I could provide you with a lot of proof that America is very heinous,corrupt and has a totalitarian like government for its own people..I like to refer to it as a dictocracy. My dear I do not think that you would even want to listen. Ugh you sicken me.

Gosh, I wonder why people continue to immigrate here. Once you post onto SRF that you've turned 18 and now responsible for your own body and soul, I hope you'll leave this country ASAP. If America so exploits and controls its people, why continue to live here? Maybe you should even leave right now because you are obviously full of hate.

The image of Iraq I see no lower. I see a group of angry people at what has to be done to them by America...WITH NO JUST CAUSE LETS KEEP THIS IN MIND.

I already agree and believe that Iraq was a major mistake for the Bush Administration. Pay attention.

There may not be any perfect country, no, but things can be better then what they are darling. We are not in debt horrible because of bush...if anything bush just sped up the process. I mean come on just look at our monitary system...it is built to put any country in debt.

For God's sakes, don't call me or anyone over the internet "darling" or "dear". I know pricks like you use terms like that ("honey" is another good one) to try and create an artificial condescending tone. It miserably fails everywhere except when used to your spouse or kids, both of which anyone you meet on the internet is neither. You have no idea how foolish you look saying it.

Bush fcked this country over, I know. We all know. But there never is one scapegoat; one person or country that has made a mistake that has snowballed into something huge.

[Jantje]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/world ... raq&st=cse

Can't blame the guy.

[Mr.Ganji]

You can blame his actions.

[izmeister]

You can also blame his stupidity.

[Barotix]

Junsai is heading in the right direction but he CBA to really make his point.
@Ganji, read Mussolini's book titled Fascism. Lulzy comparisons to AMERIKA. BTW, your whole "leave if you don't like it" is a very bad argument. Such a defeatist attitude.
@Junsai, didn't you get the memo?

[t0rch]

Dang, bush has the reflexes of a cat rofl.

[Junsai]

Junsai is heading in the right direction but he CBA to really make his point.
@Ganji, read Mussolini's book titled Fascism. Lulzy comparisons to AMERIKA. BTW, your whole "leave if you don't like it" is a very bad argument. Such a defeatist attitude.
@Junsai, didn't you get the memo?

You are absolutely right I cba to make my points lol. Whenever there is a stubborn person who wont listen to a word i'll say (even if he hasn't proven this but his charactor shows this to me) I'll just give up trying to make the point lol.

Now...as far as the dictatorship like things in usa the list isn't that long its quite short. It basically deals with tearing up our constituion and giving way too much power to the government.

This is my main reason why we have dictatorship type governemnt..the best example I can give is what happened in new york in 2004 when bush was about to be re-elected.

If you will say totalitarian and dictocracy, please explain how the government controls every aspect of its citizens lives. You can't say shit like that without any proof or logic.

I never said it did. A dictatorship doesn't always control every aspect of it's citizens life however it does have a strong effect on them?

Back to the debt issue...With or without Bush we would be in debt, Bush just sped up the process. Look at the way our system is (and all the others in the world) and you'll see it is near impossible for any country to not be in some debt.


Now here is a question.

What country has no debt?

[Swindler]

Dodging Ratio 100%

[Mr.Ganji]

You are absolutely right I cba to make my points lol. Whenever there is a stubborn person who wont listen to a word i'll say (even if he hasn't proven this but his charactor shows this to me) I'll just give up trying to make the point lol.

Now...as far as the dictatorship like things in usa the list isn't that long its quite short. It basically deals with tearing up our constituion and giving way too much power to the government.

This is my main reason why we have dictatorship type governemnt..the best example I can give is what happened in new york in 2004 when bush was about to be re-elected.

If you will say totalitarian and dictocracy, please explain how the government controls every aspect of its citizens lives. You can't say shit like that without any proof or logic.

I never said it did. A dictatorship doesn't always control every aspect of it's citizens life however it does have a strong effect on them?

Back to the debt issue...With or without Bush we would be in debt, Bush just sped up the process. Look at the way our system is (and all the others in the world) and you'll see it is near impossible for any country to not be in some debt.


Now here is a question.

What country has no debt?

@Ganji, read Mussolini's book titled Fascism. Lulzy comparisons to AMERIKA. BTW, your whole "leave if you don't like it" is a very bad argument. Such a defeatist attitude.

So. Not only are people saying that America is "heinos" and "totalitarian", the world's only superpower is now an alleged fascist country! But everyone's entitled to their own opinion, no matter how far-fetched they may seem.

Advising him to leave is not even an argument. It was a solution. Junsai clearly hates America with all his heart - how can he enjoy a life in oppression and cruelty? I'm being very pragmatic and what I feel is a very natural reaction. Someone hates the country he lives in. Why not leave it, then? Everyone's happy and no hard feelings.

@Junsai
What a stupid prick. Stop acting so high and mighty. You claim that I'm a "stubborn" person who "won't listen to a word I say" and that you'll "give up making your point". I laughed. What was your point anyway? Oh yes, that incredibly stupid and fanatical anti-Americanism. Your point ever since joining this thread was to try and thoroughly smear America's image into what you want to believe it is and milk the notion that somehow, in the middle of all this injustice, you were personally affected and scarred for life, and now slandering America is your lifelong mission.

Answer to your very foolish question: almost every nation on the face of the planet has experienced times of deficit. But thats not the point and definitely not what you're implying. You mean to say that a country's national debt singlehandedly determines its welfare, stability, and strength. How short-sighted. Guess what? America has been in deficit for the majority of the 270 years of our existence. Some unwritten law must then make it mean that America is a dictatorial and evil country.

[Barotix]

the world's only superpower is now an alleged fascist country!

Oh calm down. Having institutions based off of corporatist or even socialist principles does not make a country fascist. Committing actions that are in alignment with fascist principles does not make the country or government fascist. It doesn't change the action, though. The act of protecting big business and nationalizing institutions that the government deems necessary for the common good with Corporate welfare is fascist, Mussolini credits [iirc] Hamilton for the idea. Doesn't change the fact that the old republican party of Lincoln was built on Corporatist ideology; a continuation of Clay's and Hamilton's policies. I don't see why you're getting offended. The accusations are not baseless.

[300]

can say only that Bush have Snow Shield On

[_Creep_]

Lol! That was great. Too bad he missed

+1
Hahah this video really made me laugh.

[Junsai]

You are absolutely right I cba to make my points lol. Whenever there is a stubborn person who wont listen to a word i'll say (even if he hasn't proven this but his charactor shows this to me) I'll just give up trying to make the point lol.

Now...as far as the dictatorship like things in usa the list isn't that long its quite short. It basically deals with tearing up our constituion and giving way too much power to the government.

This is my main reason why we have dictatorship type governemnt..the best example I can give is what happened in new york in 2004 when bush was about to be re-elected.

If you will say totalitarian and dictocracy, please explain how the government controls every aspect of its citizens lives. You can't say shit like that without any proof or logic.

I never said it did. A dictatorship doesn't always control every aspect of it's citizens life however it does have a strong effect on them?

Back to the debt issue...With or without Bush we would be in debt, Bush just sped up the process. Look at the way our system is (and all the others in the world) and you'll see it is near impossible for any country to not be in some debt.


Now here is a question.

What country has no debt?

@Ganji, read Mussolini's book titled Fascism. Lulzy comparisons to AMERIKA. BTW, your whole "leave if you don't like it" is a very bad argument. Such a defeatist attitude.

So. Not only are people saying that America is "heinos" and "totalitarian", the world's only superpower is now an alleged fascist country! But everyone's entitled to their own opinion, no matter how far-fetched they may seem.

Advising him to leave is not even an argument. It was a solution. Junsai clearly hates America with all his heart - how can he enjoy a life in oppression and cruelty? I'm being very pragmatic and what I feel is a very natural reaction. Someone hates the country he lives in. Why not leave it, then? Everyone's happy and no hard feelings.

@Junsai
What a stupid prick. Stop acting so high and mighty. You claim that I'm a "stubborn" person who "won't listen to a word I say" and that you'll "give up making your point". I laughed. What was your point anyway? Oh yes, that incredibly stupid and fanatical anti-Americanism. Your point ever since joining this thread was to try and thoroughly smear America's image into what you want to believe it is and milk the notion that somehow, in the middle of all this injustice, you were personally affected and scarred for life, and now slandering America is your lifelong mission.

It was not to smear Americans you stupid boy. I like Americans and I am not anti-American in anyway what I am is anti corruption which isn't the peoples doing. It is not the fault of the people of this country why things are the way they are or why their country does the things they do. My point is simply that America has dictatorship like elements in certain acts and the best example which I said was in New York 2004 during protest. I'm not sure if many people heard what happened but it was over the news for.. a day. Does anyone remember? If not I'll state what happened.

Answer to your very foolish question: almost every nation on the face of the planet has experienced times of deficit. But thats not the point and definitely not what you're implying. You mean to say that a country's national debt singlehandedly determines its welfare, stability, and strength. How short-sighted. Guess what? America has been in deficit for the majority of the 270 years of our existence. Some unwritten law must then make it mean that America is a dictatorial and evil country.

Oh dear buddy you have gone off the deep end. My question about debt didn't have anything to do with America being bad at all it was more of a wordwide issue which I see that every country has lol. I was not saying a countrys debt determines its welfare, stability, or strength. I never said that at all..you are think I may be meaning these things but I am not lol. Now you say America has been in deficit for the majority of it's history...the question is why? I see this as a huge issue and when you know the why you should to... Once againt his has nothing to do with America being bad... since it is a wordwide issue which every country has. This was just a side statement for another conversation that should be done on the monetary system and how horribly twisted it is for the whole world not just America.

[Barotix]

Fractional reserve banking[fraud], central banking[counterfeiting, inflation, and monopoly], and fiat [money of nothing] monetary policy FTL! When did America have no debt? When did America's debt, tariffs, and inflation start to sky rocket?:P I like loling at people that say our dollar has always suffered from inflation. Funny. A dollar in 1908 was worth more than one in 1886[iirc]. That sounds like a rise in value to me. Then comes 1913, epic inflation. Hmm; I wonder what else happened in 1913. As a matter of fact I wonder what happened whenever America went through a phase of high inflation. Hamilton would be proud. Jefferson is probably face palming in his grave. >_>

[Junsai]

Fractional reserve banking[fraud], central banking[counterfeiting, inflation, and monopoly], and fiat [money of nothing] monetary policy FTL! When did America have no debt? When did America's debt, tariffs, and inflation start to sky rocket?:P I like loling at people that say our dollar has always suffered from inflation. Funny. A dollar in 1908 was worth more than one in 1886[iirc]. That sounds like a rise in value to me. Then comes 1913, epic inflation. Hmm; I wonder what else happened in 1913. As a matter of fact I wonder what happened whenever America went through a phase of high inflation. Hamilton would be proud. Jefferson is probably face palming in his grave. >_>

1913 December 23rd I beleive it to be We got the federal reserve.

See that court case from the 60's where a guy being forclosed on took the bank to court and won because in order for the bank to have claim to the land they have to had put up something of equal value (that being money for them) however since they made up the money out of nothing(the federal reserve) and because it wasn't of existing assets, they lost...then the judge was like only god can make something out of nothing, and the guy (cheif of the federal reserve at the time) admitted it is technically illegal for them to be doing what they were doing, and still are.

[magisuns]

hm... now if only i can find that political cartoon strip that i saw in the newspaper today

[Stephanus]

Junsai is heading in the right direction but he CBA to really make his point.
@Ganji, read Mussolini's book titled Fascism. Lulzy comparisons to AMERIKA. BTW, your whole "leave if you don't like it" is a very bad argument. Such a defeatist attitude.
@Junsai, didn't you get the memo?

Can i quote this in other topics?

[Priam]

The action was rather cool, though highly offensive. But i still laughed.

@The discussion.

You're all never gonna get anywhere with this 'Saying one thing, then denying the thing said, after which you basically say the same thing, but in different wording'.

I had a laugh though.

[heroo]

the world's only superpower .

superpower? the world's only?

it's 2008 already, things have changed dramatically, the U.S of now isn't the U.S of the 90's.

[PhoenixRider]

The fact that American Imports are Chinese dominated and that America is in debt by borrowing too much money from the bank and China shows the real world superpower.

[izmeister]

If you will say totalitarian and dictocracy, please explain how the government controls every aspect of its citizens lives. You can't say shit like that without any proof or logic.

I never said it did.[/b]

I could provide you with a lot of proof that America is very heinous,corrupt and has a totalitarian like government for its own people..I like to refer to it as a dictocracy.

Love the self contradictions there

[Barotix]

If you will say totalitarian and dictocracy, please explain how the government controls every aspect of its citizens lives. You can't say shit like that without any proof or logic.

I never said it did.[/b]

I could provide you with a lot of proof that America is very heinous,corrupt and has a totalitarian like government for its own people..I like to refer to it as a dictocracy.

Love the self contradictions there

There is no contradiction.
Junsai = A
Ganji = B
A said; "I could provide you with proof that the government has totalitarian [fascist/corporatist] elements for the people [ex; Patriot Act, FISA Act, Economic Recovery Package 1&2, Detroit Auto Bailout, etc].

B said; "How does it control every aspect of the people's lives."

A Never stated it controls every aspect of the people's lives. To be fascist does not necessarily mean complete control over the lives of one's subjects/citizens. Fascism is an interesting ideology. It isn't it as simple as just concentrating all power into the hands of a few. If that were the case would not all modern gov't be described as fascist?

[LillDev!l]

First thing i saw on troy after that happend was Loads a globals saying :
"OK, Which one off you turks threw that shoe at bush !?"
but yea, 2 bad bush dodged

[izmeister]

There is no contradiction.
Junsai = A
Ganji = B
A said; "I could provide you with proof that the government has totalitarian [fascist/corporatist] elements for the people [ex; Patriot Act, FISA Act, Economic Recovery Package 1&2, Detroit Auto Bailout, etc].

B said; "How does it control every aspect of the people's lives."

A Never stated it controls every aspect of the people's lives. To be fascist does not necessarily mean complete control over the lives of one's subjects/citizens. Fascism is an interesting ideology. It isn't it as simple as just concentrating all power into the hands of a few. If that were the case would not all modern gov't be described as fascist?

So how is America a dictocracy?

[Barotix]

There is no contradiction.
Junsai = A
Ganji = B
A said; "I could provide you with proof that the government has totalitarian [fascist/corporatist] elements for the people [ex; Patriot Act, FISA Act, Economic Recovery Package 1&2, Detroit Auto Bailout, Nationalization of Private Institutions, Building and protecting monopolies, large subsidies for big business [i.e.] corporate welfare, central banking, fractional reserve banking, nation building etc].

B said; "How does it control every aspect of the people's lives."

A Never stated it controls every aspect of the people's lives. To be fascist does not necessarily mean complete control over the lives of one's subjects/citizens. Fascism is an interesting ideology. It isn't it as simple as just concentrating all power into the hands of a few. If that were the case would not all modern gov't be described as fascist?

So how is America a dictocracy?

That isn't even a word. I posted it has fascist elements and gave examples [bold]; I also posted that having fascist elements does not make a government autocratic (we're still a republic, but keep in mind having democratic institutions doesn't make a government less fascist in nature [i.e.] the Democratically elected Hitler.], and Junsai later elaborated (or at least tried to =|). Nice try though; bet you thought had me.

Also note, he said: "Totalitarian like."

[Junsai]

To expand more on the dictatorship like or totalitarian type like elements. I must refer to concentration type camps we have. Theses camps I believe were either brought up in the 80's or 70's as a way to detain Mexicans illegally coming into America. However it was denied but we still had camps so now their use was to detain Americans who show unpatriotic behavior. This is all underneath a few documents which during a time of emergency temporarily leave all power to the government and get rid of the constitution. A perfect example of this was nyc 2004 when bush was being re-elected and there were tons of protest in new york. 100 people were arrested and detained in a bus depot (complete with bard wire oo and hazardous materials inside of the depot *abandoned of course*) now..theses people were never formally arrested they were simply rallied up and detained with no knowledge to anyone they were released a week later and it was over the news. Now...their only crime was unpatriotic acts. They didn't violently protest and they protested in the correct spots where they were suppose to so basically...there was no reason for their arrest other then the exercise of temporary expulsion of the constitution. Just then we got rid of the right to free speech.

The document also elaborates on which groups. Militias, religious groups (yes those that pose a threat including Christian ones that seem not so down with the government), and basically anything that is unpatriotic like lol. The punishment can be detainment for whatever amount of time (notice no lawyers were introduced) and execution if necessary (once again no lawyers of any sort) Now I will go to the extreme and say this.

A person says I hate America during a time of emergency he could be shot on the spot and it not be illegal. Whilst this mayn't happen is it not wrong that it is legal to begin with? There is not much that can happen to America vs the world (at least the UN) because America's condition is that they can not be brought to world court for crimes against humanity. Now... why do we need this condition? Does our government plan to do something that is considered inhumane to either us or to others and wishes not to be brought up on charges? Surely this is unacceptable.

[marjin_boo]

First thing i saw on troy after that happend was Loads a globals saying :
"OK, Which one off you turks threw that shoe at bush !?"
but yea, 2 bad bush dodged

lol

[John_Doe]

lol and they call this a game forum....