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Priam wrote:Leave grimjaw alone, this topic actually had a nice discussion going, no need to repeat the same thing other have said 500 times.


We have shared sentiments Priam. :love:



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Side note @ grimjaw: You keep saying I'm wrong, but what's wrong with my explanation? It might not be how it is all the time or it might not be 100% correct, but at least it's an explanation, and at least it makes sense, I don't see you coming up with anything.



Yosh, Rain.

Kindly point out to me you where read me saying you were wrong. I never dismissed your opinion completely, i merely suggested that it would seem to be more complicated then forcing your thoughts into dormancy. And as for me coming up with something, hopefully the next post will ease our curiosity a bit more. :)

Though Tourette's syndrome was first studied in the 1800's, it is an illness that has yet to be fully explained by any discipline. Presenting with muscular tics, some of which result in verbal utterances, Tourette's is a condition that is easily characterized. Yet its causes are not so easy to pin down. Though psychiatry and biology have been able to recognize roots other than the demonic possession once thought to cause Tourette's, there are few definitive, precise explanations of its etiology.

The neurological causes of Tourette's are not fully understood. About half of patients have "non-localizing, so-called 'soft,' neurological findings suggesting disturbances in the body scheme and integration of motor control". When EEG's are performed on people with Tourette's, the results are often vagule abnormal, yet provide little concrete information to practitioners; the same is true of CAT scans. Additionally, these abnormalities may be the result of drugs taken to counteract Tourette's symptoms .

Neurotransmitters, particularly dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine, and choline, are suspected to be the key to Tourette's. There is evidence that these chemicals, which are natural stimulants in the human nervous system, are metabolized differently in Tourette's patients. Genes which help establish these patterns of metabolism may cause this. Experiments involving medications that are dopamine agonists show that hyperkinesia, uncontrolled movements like those seen not only in Tourette's but in other neurological conditions like Huntington's disease, decreases when dopamine levels are lower. However, research has yet to fully explain these relationships between genetics and these neurotransmitters: in a study of mutations in genes coding for dopamine and serotonin receptors, subjects with Tourette's, bipolar affective disorder, and schizophrenia, no higher incidence of mutations was found in the experimental group.

Based on its disproportionate frequency in men, there is an idea that hormones may also play a role in the onset and severity of Tourette's. Whether they influence gene expression or inhibition systems, androgens definitely seem to affect the tics. Some researchers postulate that spikes of these hormones during pregnancy (when the fetus' nervous system is developing) make the fetus more likely to develop Tourette's some time after birth. The fact that the severity of Tourette's often lessens as patients age also lends credence to the theory that androgens (whose levels wane as people mature) interfere with the mechanisms that would ordinarily control tics.

Structural analyses of the brains of individuals have also yielded some ideas about the causes of Tourette's. Researchers have looked at the basal ganglia, a region of the brain beneath the cortex, and discovered that several parts - the putamen, the globus pallidus, and the renticular region- are smaller in people with Tourette's; blood flow and glucose usage are also decreased. The basal ganglia plays a role in controlling movement, so that this lessening of its functions could result in the inability of individuals with Tourette's to control some of their muscle movements. The basal ganglia is part of the corticostriatothalamocortical pathway, which is a pathway which inhibits the basal ganglia; this pathway is regulated by dopamine, serotonin, and norepinephrine. In studies of monozygotic twins, the twin with the lower birth weight presented more serious symptoms, supporting the hypothesis that in utero development affects Tourette's, particularly since the basal ganglia is especially sensitive to environment at this point. Additionally, these brains have shown less asymmetry than brains of people not diagnosed with any neurological disorder. Usually, the left side of the basal ganglia is larger; this phenonmenon has been observed as less pronounced in people with Tourette's. Other researchers have noticed that the corpus callosum is more rounded and that this may affect the connection between the two hemispheres of the brain. They support this theory with the fact that Tourette's onset is most common during the phase of development (early latency) when the corpus callosum is developing most rapidly.

The cingulate cortex may also be involved in Tourette's, as patients who had these cortices removed showed lessened symptoms of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, which is often also present in people with Tourette's. There are several ideas about how the cingulate cortex may cause Tourette's:the pre-frontal cortex which usually regulates the cingulate cortex may malfunction so that the cortex fires uncontrollably, or the failure to regulate may be caused by increased orbito-frontal metabolic rates.

Several other conditions currently understood to have similar genetic and neurological causes are often comorbid with Tourette's. Obssessive-Compulsive Disorder and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder are far and away the most common; the two share many pharmacological treatments with Tourette's. In their study of twins Hyde and Weinberger found that when they included all these conditions together as "tic disorders," genetic analysis showed 80% concordance in monozygotic twins and 25% in dizygotic twins. Yet twins showed wildly varying symptoms, showing that environment cannot be discounted in determining the causes of these diseases conditions.

So, it seems that some assumptions tend to be correct, where as some tend to be simply not true, i guess we will only know for sure if the research on Tourette's Syndrome becomes completely documented. Or some mystery guest decides to shed more light on the matter, if so, he or she is more then welcome to do so. :love:
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Re: Teen Tourrettes Girl Cant Stop Saying the N-Word

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Fucking l.o.l.

Grim you are a joke now seriously. Don't give us that bullshit that you all of a sudden came out of the closet and are showing your true 'intellectual' self. Because just like grandpa most know you 2 are twat wannabe's.

Or maybe I should start expressing myself like this because my intellectual self wants to be expressed on a gaming forum where the average user age is around 9. Hmm, let's not.
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Crumpets wrote:Fucking l.o.l.

Grim you are a joke now seriously. Don't give us that bullshit that you all of a sudden came out of the closet and are showing your true 'intellectual' self. Because just like grandpa most know you 2 are twat wannabe's.


I hardly think that's the case Crumpets, and i know you well enough to know what kind of person you are based on your posting behaviour, and your confrontations with an endless stream of people, but i assure you that i won´t spend so much energy on the negativity of those conflicts. Let alone take the effort to create them now. And to my defence i will say that i knew beforehand that exposing myself in this manner would lead to some raised heads, after all it´s to be expected. If i wanted to avoid conflict then i would simply refrain from sharing something about myself.

But since you yourself pointed out, this is an internet gaming forum, but it's also a forum where we debate and discuss various topics aside from gaming. A stroll through the Off Topic Lounge will make that quite clear, so in the contrary to what you said, it would seem there are more then just 9 year old's at this forum.

Crumpets, do you still remember the topic: That explains it? It's the topic Grandpa once made, you even posted in it, with the results from your own personality test. And if you would be so kind to browse through the posts made, you can come to the conclusion that what i decided to share in my previous posts, was nothing more then the truth. I am an extreme case, and you yourself are not your average joe either Crump.

Since you most likely forgot about the topic of which i'm speaking, i took the liberty of salvaging it from the waist of old topics. While not being as accurate as my own diagnosis documents, it's the best i can do to offer atleast some form of proof to you. Take a look at the dates when i placed the posts, then retrace those times back to this post, and you will see that i did not just jump out of the closet. This has been brewing inside me for a very long time, and whether people will look at me differently has little importance to me, if i can condone them, they can condone me. :)


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I hardly think that's the case Crumpets, and i know you well enough to know what kind of person you are based on your posting behaviour, and your confrontations with an endless stream of people, but i assure you that i won´t spend so much energy on the negativity of those conflicts. Let alone take the effort to create them now. And to my defence i will say that i knew beforehand that exposing myself in this manner would lead to some raised heads, after all it´s to be expected. If i wanted to avoid conflict then i would simply refrain from sharing something about myself.


Did you get hit on the head or something ? it is irrelevant how you are going to deal with it because to be quite frank I could not give 2 shits for your little play.

But since you yourself pointed out, this is an internet gaming forum, but it's also a forum where we debate and discuss various topics aside from gaming. A stroll through the Off Topic Lounge will make that quite clear, so in the contrary to what you said, it would seem there are more then just 9 year old's at this forum.


This is hardly a forum where we are able to debate. Threads last till some little 9 year old like Squirt comes along and ruins it with his immature findings. Here's a screencap for you with my comments next to the thread's. '-' is marked for not yet been influenced by some idiot kid who does not belong here. Rest, well that's quite obvious.

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So you are really trying to tell me in this part of the site we are able to have a mature discussion ? READ the thread names for christ sakes. Also, I never said anything to bring forth a reply like this: "it would seem there are more then just 9 year old's at this forum.". I merely said, the AVERAGE age seems to be 9.

Crumpets, do you still remember the topic: That explains it? It's the topic Grandpa once made, you even posted in it, with the results from your own personality test. And if you would be so kind to browse through the posts made, you can come to the conclusion that what i decided to share in my previous posts, was nothing more then the truth. I am an extreme case, and you yourself are not your average joe either Crump.


So, stringing posts up from the past should show me how this was your plan all along ? Bloody hell, that's pathetic. I'm not an average Joe ? Sure I am.

Since you most likely forgot about the topic of which i'm speaking, i took the liberty of salvaging it from the waist of old topics. While not being as accurate as my own diagnosis documents, it's the best i can do to offer atleast some form of proof to you. Take a look at the dates when i placed the posts, then retrace those times back to this post, and you will see that i did not just jump out of the closet. This has been brewing inside me for a very long time, and whether people will look at me differently has little importance to me, if i can condone them, they can condone me. :)

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I couldn't care less for some poxy online test. None of it even begins to grasp someone personality. Those tests are merely a platform for one such as grandpa to boast about his ability to seem 'smart' and more 'intelligent' behind a PC than he really is. It's not hard to google synonyms for common words just to make sure you are 'above' the rest. It's also quite sad that only 3-4 peopl on the forums can see through these facades. Actually, it's far from sad. It's sick.
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Grimjaw wrote:
Crumpets wrote:Fucking l.o.l.

Grim you are a joke now seriously. Don't give us that bullshit that you all of a sudden came out of the closet and are showing your true 'intellectual' self. Because just like grandpa most know you 2 are twat wannabe's.


I hardly think that's the case Crumpets, and i know you well enough to know what kind of person you are based on your posting behaviour, and your confrontations with an endless stream of people, but i assure you that i won´t spend so much energy on the negativity of those conflicts. Let alone take the effort to create them now. And to my defence i will say that i knew beforehand that exposing myself in this manner would lead to some raised heads, after all it´s to be expected. If i wanted to avoid conflict then i would simply refrain from sharing something about myself.

But since you yourself pointed out, this is an internet gaming forum, but it's also a forum where we debate and discuss various topics aside from gaming. A stroll through the Off Topic Lounge will make that quite clear, so in the contrary to what you said, it would seem there are more then just 9 year old's at this forum.

Crumpets, do you still remember the topic: That explains it? It's the topic Grandpa once made, you even posted in it, with the results from your own personality test. And if you would be so kind to browse through the posts made, you can come to the conclusion that what i decided to share in my previous posts, was nothing more then the truth. I am an extreme case, and you yourself are not your average joe either Crump.

Since you most likely forgot about the topic of which i'm speaking, i took the liberty of salvaging it from the waist of old topics. While not being as accurate as my own diagnosis documents, it's the best i can do to offer atleast some form of proof to you. Take a look at the dates when i placed the posts, then retrace those times back to this post, and you will see that i did not just jump out of the closet. This has been brewing inside me for a very long time, and whether people will look at me differently has little importance to me, if i can condone them, they can condone me. :)


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I call shenanigans on the fact that you make several basic spelling and grammar mistakes.
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dom wrote:I call shenanigans on the fact that you make several basic spelling and grammar mistakes.


Oh, i am well aware of my spelling and grammar mistakes. When i post here those little idiosyncrasies hold little value to me. I am not a grammar Nazi, not to myself and certainly not to others. I received a question and i answered it truthfully. :love:
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She sounds like a parot. lol
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Grimjaw wrote:
dom wrote:I call shenanigans on the fact that you make several basic spelling and grammar mistakes.


Oh, i am well aware of my spelling and grammar mistakes. When i post here those little idiosyncrasies hold little value to me. I am not a grammar Nazi, not to myself and certainly not to others. I received a question and i answered it truthfully. :love:


Mais peux-tu parler en les autres langues?

I could facilely & dexterously formulate genres of "idioms", however ambiguous may they be, notwithstanding the fact it's imprudent.

I realize you didn't take it that far, but I think it's obvious you're trying to sound more intelligent, and if you take the care to write using such words, as well as always using italics and color, I'd figure you'd at least pay attention to grammar as well.

@Your other post:
Grimjaw wrote:I don't know much about Tourette syndrome, but it would be unlogical in the way you heard it Rainigul. It has to have more depth to it then that, otherwise i don't think it would qualify as an neuropsychiatric disorder.


Yes, you never said I was outright wrong, but you did indeed call me "unlogical" (even though it should be illogical).

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How do you ever expect to make progress if you're not open to new ideas? This isn't even a hard one, you're just like "nope, not possible, can't be cured, end of story". So you don't care about the tourrettes sufferers then? I'm thinking of ways that could help prevent ever conracting the disease, so at least I'm doing something, however small it may be.
Also, later you say that there are drugs which can lessen the symptoms, if that is indeed true, then who are you to say that it's impossible to cure it entirely? If it actually does have something do do with brain shape as suggested by grimjaw's post, then surely in the future they can do brain surgery to get rid of it. I mean, they're now able to stop people from having seizures, not too long ago, that was thought impossible.

Well, you may be someone who has read up on the subject, but I'm someone who is using background knowledge and progressive thinking versus something that was written by the same people who overprescribe ritalin by about a million percent (no, I don't actually mean a million percent, though it may be true).
I agree, they are credible, but please be open to new ideas.

Also, don't worry about calling me stupid, I hate it when people don't do that, it seems like you're trying to be the bigger person or something, but nobody cares, just yell at me if you want, it's annoying when people don't act the way they would in person.

And as a final note, PLEASE READ MY POSTS THOUROUGHLY!!!! I never said grounding tourrettes patients will get rid of tourrettes, read my post again one more time (or at least the part with the grounding) and you will find out what I meant.

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New ideas? your ideas aren't new? I'm telling you there's no cure, since there isn't one. It's a fact. Science backs me up on this. Believe me they've tried. Who are you to neglect years of research?

Your not a rocket scientist, nor have you got any new input on the matter of a 'cure' for this disease, just some dude holding on to his arguement for far too long.
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I stopped reading when everyone started fighting, kind of irrelevant and off topic. A few simple points i would like to make.

How is "nigger" as a word racist? Its the context and meaning behind a word which gives it the value, not the word its self. If its racist to say nigger than why can one black person call another black person nigger; "sup nigger?" and it be acceptable. Its racist to use it in a derogatory context "stupid fucking nigger" but thats more the other words and emotions of the message thats creating an oppressive statement, as opposed to the single word its self. The way i see it nigger is a simple descriptive term for someone of darker color, much like "black" or "ethnic". By randomly saying it people shouldn't get offended. If someone randomly called me white i wouldn't care, so why would someone care if someone calls someone black? :wink:

Actually now i forgot what my other point was. Something to do with social division, i really dont feel like going into it. As crumps nicely said, it would just be undervalued in a place like srf.. even if my messages aren't all that intellectual.

heh.. nigger is on the srf ban filter, so much fuel..


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tedtwilliger wrote:I stopped reading when everyone started fighting, kind of irrelevant and off topic. A few simple points i would like to make.

How is "nigger" as a word racist? Its the context and meaning behind a word which gives it the value, not the word its self. If its racist to say nigger than why can one black person call another black person nigger; "sup nigger?" and it be acceptable. Its racist to use it in a derogatory context "stupid fucking nigger" but thats more the other words and emotions of the message thats creating an oppressive statement, as opposed to the single word its self. The way i see it nigger is a simple descriptive term for someone of darker color, much like "black" or "ethnic". By randomly saying it people shouldn't get offended. If someone randomly called me white i wouldn't care, so why would someone care if someone calls someone black? :wink:

Actually now i forgot what my other point was. Something to do with social division, i really dont feel like going into it. As crumps nicely said, it would just be undervalued in a place like srf.. even if my messages aren't all that intellectual.

heh.. nigger is on the srf ban filter, so much fuel..


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tedtwilliger wrote:I stopped reading when everyone started fighting, kind of irrelevant and off topic. A few simple points i would like to make.

How is "nigger" as a word racist? Its the context and meaning behind a word which gives it the value, not the word its self. If its racist to say nigger than why can one black person call another black person nigger; "sup nigger?" and it be acceptable. Its racist to use it in a derogatory context "stupid fucking nigger" but thats more the other words and emotions of the message thats creating an oppressive statement, as opposed to the single word its self. The way i see it nigger is a simple descriptive term for someone of darker color, much like "black" or "ethnic". By randomly saying it people shouldn't get offended. If someone randomly called me white i wouldn't care, so why would someone care if someone calls someone black? :wink:

Actually now i forgot what my other point was. Something to do with social division, i really dont feel like going into it. As crumps nicely said, it would just be undervalued in a place like srf.. even if my messages aren't all that intellectual.

heh.. nigger is on the srf ban filter, so much fuel..


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I think black people use n1gga and not "n1gger" when calling each other.
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I always thought Tourettes was fake. Out of all the words she says, its the word ***** and she pretty much says them around people that aren't white.
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Priam wrote:New ideas? your ideas aren't new? I'm telling you there's no cure, since there isn't one. It's a fact. Science backs me up on this. Believe me they've tried. Who are you to neglect years of research?

Your not a rocket scientist, nor have you got any new input on the matter of a 'cure' for this disease, just some dude holding on to his arguement for far too long.


Perhaps you should go back to school, science can't disprove anything, it can only prove. And scientists are trying to find a cure, why the hell do you think they keep researching the idea? For knowledge on the matter, and to hopefully find a cure.

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I agree, nigger shouldn't be a bad word, I think people still holding on to it as a bad word is stupid, by saying it's a bad word that just creates more racial differences fueling racism.

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Wow. I feel sorry for her. I have tourette syndrome although not as severe as her's -- the tics come and go and it manifests itself in different ways. The worst part was when I was around her age and the words I used just pops in at the end or beginning of almost every sentence I spoke. But seriously, she's not racist or anything. Everyone knows what terms like ***** or chink or gook or cunt means but that doesn't mean they're racist or sexist. It's the same thing with her, it's just that she can't control it from coming out of her mouth.
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