Do you guys believe in god?

[emperor3000]

Wow... this thread went this far, can you believe that?

[Grimjaw]

Wow... this thread went this far, can you believe that?

Ello Beastie.

[emperor3000]

Wow... this thread went this far, can you believe that?

Ello Beastie.

Wahh?

[Dancin]

I believe in god so stfu and stop posting your bullshit opinions

without god the whole life would be a cheat, then I could also immediatly shoot a bullet in my head.

[Homie]

I believe in god so stfu and stop posting your bullshit opinions

Hey! I don't think your God tolerates intolerance, Yo!

[ThiefzV2]

I believe in god so stfu and stop posting your bullshit opinions

without god the whole life would be a cheat, then I could also immediatly shoot a bullet in my head.

Go to hell

[Grandpa]

Hey! I don't think your God tolerates intolerance, Yo!

Intolerant of intolerance. If there where just a little more irony in the world, I could laugh myself to death.

[Stress]

Hey! I don't think your God tolerates intolerance, Yo!

Intolerant of intolerance. If there where just a little more irony in the world, I could laugh myself to death.

Indeed, I second that.

[knucklehead]

Hey! I don't think your God tolerates intolerance, Yo!

Intolerant of intolerance. If there where just a little more irony in the world, I could laugh myself to death.

Indeed, I second that.

I third that.

[Homie]

Hey! I don't think your God tolerates intolerance, Yo!

Intolerant of intolerance. If there where just a little more irony in the world, I could laugh myself to death.

Happy to bring the lulz, yo!

[Stress]

Hey! I don't think your God tolerates intolerance, Yo!

Intolerant of intolerance. If there where just a little more irony in the world, I could laugh myself to death.

Happy to bring the lulz, yo!

[sarcasm, yo!]



[/sarcasm, yo!]

[Homie]

Word to your mother

[Asteroid]

I believe in god so stfu and stop posting your bullshit opinions

without god the whole life would be a cheat, then I could also immediatly shoot a bullet in my head.

there is no god.
carry on.

[Dancin]

stfu and stop posting your bullshit opinions

[Grandpa]

Bingo, granps! I may not believe, but imo a deity doesn't really have to be like it's creations or vice versa. Think of a child, with silly putty.

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Don't think of his generalization "This is why all creationist are stupid" as an attack. Just replace "all creationist" with VenomFoolX.

Peter, a man of faith and a "creationist" wrote:

"Remember that while our Lord is waiting patiently to return, people are being saved. Our dear brother Paul also wrote to you about that. God made him wise to write as he did. He writes the same way in all his letters. He speaks about what I have just told you. His letters include some things that are hard to understand. People who don't know better and aren't firm in the faith twist what he says. They twist the other Scriptures too. So they will be destroyed. Dear friends, you already know that."

From what I read in Genesis, there is zero argument between "creationist" and "evolutionist". There is plenty of evidence that "creationists" (so-called) wrestle with the Holy Script in order to argue uselessly and appear smart in their own sight.

"The earth brought forth grass, plants each yielding its own kind of seed, and trees, each yielding its own kind of seed-bearing fruit, plants each yielding its own kind of seed, trees each producing its own kind of seed-bearing fruit.

God created the great sea creatures and every living thing that creeps, so that the water swarmed with all kinds of them, and there was every kind of winged bird.
God made each kind of wild beast, each kind of livestock and every kind of animal that crawls along the ground."

Moses is believed to be the author of Genesis, it is further believed that he wrote under the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Quoting him doesn't make me sound smart. To me it's okay to sound stupid (even though I'm not). I try not to flatter myself with empty words that come from my imagination only and do not appreciate "creationists" who do this.

For instance, did God ever say that He created Platinum? Can I say that Platinum does not exist? He did create everything in heaven and everything on earth - but because he does not specifically mention "Platinum" does this mean I should argue? What about hominids? Does he specifically mention them? What about dolphins? I don't see the argument as valid. Currently Science has no way of explaining how one kind of creature "evolved" from another but if they found a way, I'd at least consider it. Did God say that he created boundaries between each kind of plant, tree, fish, bird, beast, insect? It is implied, but not implicit. If somebody with an advanced degree actually spoke of animals coming from plants or trees would it hurt me to listen? For the record (and contrary to the allegations of "creationists" so-called), there is no Scriptural evidence supporting the belief that the Grand Canyon formed in about five (5) minutes. There is no Scriptural evidence supporting the belief that H²O exists on the earth only.

Scripture commands believers to refrain from empty arguments. To paraphrase from the book of Job, "Were you there when I created...?" I personally was not. But even if I were transported by a miracle and witnessed creation it would be impossible for me to understand His works. Twisting His words into senseless arguments has it's own consequence: Destruction. God has made an appointment and has affixed a day to destroy such things. We are told to remember that while our Lord waits patiently to return, people are being saved.

Being a friend of God means understanding what He is doing. There is room for slaves who are ignorant of the purpose of the household but the greater calling is to walk together with the Master. We are to become fishers of men and that includes picking the right bait. Followers of God are told to be wise like serpents, harmless as doves. Does it come as any surprise that some fail in this?

~Granps
Ideas don't stay in some minds very long because they don't like solitary confinement.

[Stress]

Being a friend of God means understanding what He is doing. There is room for slaves who are ignorant of the purpose of the household but the greater calling is to walk together with the Master. We are to become fishers of men and that includes picking the right bait. Followers of God are told to be wise like serpents, harmless as doves. Does it come as any surprise that some fail in this?

This is probably the best post I have ever read on this forum.

[Barotix]

I'm just tired of people quoting that guy and trying to pass his rants as facts.

[Stephanus]

I don't know why you folks are disrespectful God, your creator. Without him, you all wouln't exist. God loves us all. Worship him and he will bless you for eternity.If you don't, you will be punished by tons of misfortune and by damnation.

?????

It's easy.
The two most important, complementary attributes of God are:
God is good. (therefore loving)
God is just.

(sry, i cant stand it)
Yes, and anyone who questions this, goes to hell. Period.

[Barotix]

Humans have difficulty comprehending justice, we only know vengeance.

[Pan_Raider(`_´)]

I guess RyoKos disciples have had a rant and sure enough, this thread could go down as a book.

Wether god exists or not, the majority of its followers were violently converted from their previous beliefs (take the Afro/Black Americans or whatever they are called now >_>)

There is no question that faith might make humans stronger by giving them stability in life,
a moral basis which is fading away slowly by the earthly temptations...

And they claim to be openminded and friendly..
but as soon as others come with their own beliefs(lol), this small intolerance becomes a problem

I believe in god so stfu and stop posting your bullshit opinions

Hey! I don't think your God tolerates intolerance, Yo!

I guess the god with the bigger dick, better said, the god who's followers kill the most infidels wins.

I don't have an invisible friend others claim to have and certainly think every white christian who believes jesus was white is a hypocrite:

He(Jesus) was a man with skin of bronze and hair like wool

[Grandpa]

Jesus was a brown skinned curly haired man and he wasn't pretty.
Artists have drawn pictures of him by using white girls as models and adding a beard.
This has gone on for centuries.

He was Jewish, and yes, he came from Nazareth -- but he wasn't a part of the Nazarene order of his time. His cousin was and was murdered for it because he dared to speak the truth.

I don't believe in bumper sticker x'ianity: "Believe or go to hell".
John (the cousin of Jesus and greatest among those of the prior agreement with God) spoke of a different salvation as did Isaiah. A different kind of salvation: the kind prophesied. This is the salvation that is seen by all flesh, not the kind that is seen by the eyes of Faith only. Jesus, the man, was seen on the earth by eyes of flesh. Those men reported what they saw.

Consider the words of God when he replied to Moses after being asked to pardon the sins of His children,

Moses:
Pardon, I beseech thee, the iniquity of this people according unto the greatness of thy mercy, and as thou hast forgiven this people, from Egypt even until now.

And the LORD said, I have pardoned according to thy word: But as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the Glory of the LORD.

The congregation that gathered before Moses and Aaron were going to stone them to death for speaking about the Promise that the Lord had made. They wanted to go back to Egypt. They had been delivered from Egypt (they were indeed “saved”) but God considered them to be rebellious children because they preferred to look at the size and strength of His enemies over considering the Promise and Glory of God. They conspired against God’s authority and planned on “choosing a Captain” who would return them to Egypt.

When God made His new covenant (and established the Kingdom) the children of Israel were the first to know:

• Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
• The message was first delivered to the Jews when they were told, "Men of Israel, listen to this! Jesus of Nazareth was a man who had God's approval. God did miracles, wonders and signs among you through Jesus. You yourselves saw this."
• King David spoke of Jesus when he said, "You will not leave me in the grave. You will not let your Holy One rot away." The Jews were told, "Brothers, you can be sure that King David died. He was buried. His tomb is still here today. But David was a prophet. He knew that God had made a promise to him. God had taken an oath that someone in David's family line would be king after him."

When the Jews heard this, their hearts were filled with shame. They said to Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what should we do?" Peter replied, "All of you must turn away from your sins and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then your sins will be forgiven. You will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise of the Father is for you and your children. It is also for all who are far away. It is for all whom the Lord our God will choose."

At the onset of the new agreement (the New Covenant) the offer of salvation was extended by God to Gentiles. Peter witnessed it and as the leader of the church in Jerusalem began baptizing Gentiles. Again, these things were seen by eyes of flesh. Paul was the one chosen (by God) to be sent to establish the churches outside of Jerusalem and the idea of "serve me or die" (let alone "believe or be punished eternally") was never, never preached. The very word "Gospel" meant "Good News" and that is what was preached.

Judgment comes to the house of God first. Christians are told to clean the inside of the cup and then the outside in the same spirit. God made it perfectly clear and even painted word pictures for those of us who needed the coloring book edition. He said that the barn had to be cleaned before the harvest was brought in.

Yes, at some point in time all of what we know of creation will be replaced. I don't know exactly how He'll do it but God intends to offer salvation not only to the Jews but also to the Gentiles and then also to "The Nations". Slander does not change His purpose. It is a nice straw-man argument though. How else can the unwilling sum up their position in five words or less? Oh, hmmmmm.... maybe "I love sin too much," but no... that's not gonna happen.

~Granps

[RiceFarmer]

Pretty interesting video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMpk7WerFWw
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Goes for 2 hours 20 minutes, I've already watched 1 hour of it.

[RiceFarmer]

Sorry for the double post but I thought I'd post this quote from the information box for the YouTube video "Proof god is real" by VenomFangX (you know you love him Barotix!) - I was going to write something similar through my own words but I figured it would just be a waste of time, when I saw this I thought it would be a good paste!

Nothing finite can be infinite (eternal). Since the universe is made of finite things (matter, time, space), it therefor must be created by something without time (timeless), thus making it eternal. If it is eternal, it must be infinite, and if its the Creator, it must be God.

The universe changes, and time is the measure of change. How many changes have happened before right now? If you claim an infinite number of changes (which is impossible because you can not have an infinite amount of finite things), it is a logically impossible to conclude we could ever have reached this moment in time. In a world of cause and effect (which we live in), there can not be an infinite regress (an infinite amount of cause and effect reactions to get to a certain cause).

Allow me to rephrase. Imagine that the Earth orbits the sun every 365 days (it does). Now, on Mars, a year is much longer than an Earth year, being 687 Earth days (basically double). So, for every 2 years of Mars, Earth has circled the sun approximately 4 times. Now, imagine that this has been going on for eternity. By your logic, they would both have circled the sun the exact same amount of times, because its been going on forever (this is clearly impossible). This shows the impossibility of an infinite regress, whereby there could not have been an infinite amount of (x) before right now, in a finite universe based on time.

Now, back to God. God exists outside of time, in Eternity. God created time, and time is irrelevant to Him. God is Eternal, not created. Firstly, you have 2 choices; either everything came from nothing (which is impossible), or something always existed and created us. You have no other choice. Take a moment to think about that, remembering that it can not exist in time, that would be impossible. Time can not be eternal.

This thing that always existed would be considered Eternal, having transcended time, space, and matter, being everlasting, having always existed. If you argue this is impossible, I would argue the contrary; it is impossible for this Eternal 'thing' to not exist, because the alternative is that nothing existed, which could only produce nothing. So, something always existed, and is therefor Eternal.

Now, for something to be Eternal, it can not consist of time, because time must have had a beginning. We exist in a universe of causality, so an infinite regress is impossible; there could not have been an infinite amount of time before right now, because we never would have reached this moment in time. That means time had a beginning, and whatever created time exists without time, beyond time, in timelessness; Eternity.

So, this Eternal Creator, created time, and the universe. This Eternal Creator clearly is extremely powerful, because the energy of the trillions of stars in the known universe were created by this Creator. And obviously, the Creator is extremely intelligent, having created an intelligent being such as mankind and a world in which to populate with it.

[Grandpa]

Okay, let's stop pretending that anyone can prove that God exists to those who do not hear His call. I'll play devil's advocate here (partly to spare Barotix the trouble). The act of creation starts with God, but I'm not speaking about the creation of the universe. I'm sure that believers have heard that we cannot come to Him unless He calls. He initiates the relationship. Another way of saying this very same thing is that He is the author and finisher of our faith.

Now let us step aside of the impossibility of forcing others to believe and consider the nature of "proof" itself. Take any common belief and examine it for example. Are your fingerprints unique? I won't argue that they are not, but have you or anyone else collected the fingerprints of every single person -- man, woman and child on the earth? Logically it only takes a single exception to disprove the theory and as long as babies are being born the task of establishing empirical affirmative proof never ends.

I'm not saying that fingerprints are not unique but only trying to rebut the concept of "proof" regarding God's existence. To argue that something came from nothing does not prove anything. Presenting a dilemma to others is fun, perhaps -- "Young Earth" creationists argue that God did it better when He created the universe with the appearance of age. That single argument may be the most annoying in their arsenal. It goes like this, "Did Adam have a bellybutton?" The allegation that "light trails" were created along with the the stars creates the impression that God is a deceiver. He is not.

It is as St. Augustine warned:

"Be on guard against giving interpretations of Scripture that are farfetched or opposed to science, and so exposing the Word of God to the ridicule of unbelievers."

The fact remains, Venomdude cannot trump God. Scripture assures us that every knee will bow and all will acknowledge that He is just. But when? Today? No. There are reasons for His longsuffering toward us, and we cannot thwart Him unless (according to your theory) we, being finite, are the greater.

The better path is to speak the truth in kindness and avoid useless arguments.

~Granps

To RiceFarmer: I am watching your video and am familiar with all recent "creationist vs evolution" style arguments. I was amused when Hovind made the statement, "Grandpa is soup".

[Melez]

Not that I don't beleve in God. Just that there ain't enough proof.
Also, everyone says like "how did humans get borned, how did the world begin", how this, how that... Then I ask the question, where did God come from then?

[crazyskwrls]

daaaa yyyyyy!!!!!

[DarkBandit]

quick answer for you >> worlds greatest scollar atm >> Dr Zakir Naik >> you tube him and you will see the Insane Results

[non ego man]

From Wiki: "Khushwant Singh, a prominent Indian journalist, argues that Naik's pronouncements are "juvenile" and said that "they seldom rise above the level of undergraduate college debates"

Pretty accurate, if not a little sympathetic.

[Jstar1]

why do you people have to think so hard about god and try so hard to tell everyone what you think is right about religion? Its annoying to think about it and frankly I dont care and neither should you

[l05tfr33k7]

omg cant believe this topic is still running...
theres no real point.