Proposition 19.

[Skyve]

May I ask(to the users of weed), why do you smoke weed?

Why do you smoke cigarettes? Derp

[Doron]

May I ask(to the users of weed), why do you smoke weed?

Why do you smoke cigarettes? Derp

It's different with cigarettes....

Weed makes one high (though never worked on me so I'm not going on waiting till it will happen) but does it give you guys some social status, better chicks, better gaming experience, better srf life?

Please explain to me.

dom, I'm LIVE in weedland and I don't even do it.

[Hostage]

First off I'd like to say I'm for it and if I could vote I would to help my Cali brethren but alas I'm Canadian. Where I can pick up a dime from the Italian guy down the corner for $5, smoke it while taking a shower and getting ready for work. Arrive at work. Sit in front of Illustrator and make the most wacked out designs and have them approved by the client. Be complimented by the Head on my productivity and being creative. True story. *insert fuckyeah.jpg*

Don't really care.

I'm still not sure how it will bring the state money though, the majority of weed comes from outside the U.S., illegally imported. Can't really tax something that you can go out and buy off the street.

Well like you said it's imported illegally....because of supply and demand. It's illegal so instead of trying to grow it themselves and selling they have it imported or outsiders bring it and sell it--reaping the benefits. However if it was legal then that would put a strain on the importing as it slowly would start to be "manufactured" within the region, allowing for it be controlled and at the same time taxed, hence profit. At least that's how my simple mind pieces the puzzle together.

[TheDrop]

Anybody who opposes this is ignorant and/or bigoted.

oh the irony

Oh, do go on.

anyone who generalizes is either ignorant and/or bigoted

[Skyve]

anyone who generalizes is either ignorant and/or bigoted

Touché

[Hostage]

anyone who generalizes is either ignorant and/or bigoted

...but he was speaking in a specific manner which in context makes a lot of sense. However if you were to list out why you oppose then we would be having a conversation.

[EvGa]

oh the irony

Oh, do go on.

anyone who generalizes is either ignorant and/or bigoted

bigoted: Being a bigot; biased; strongly prejudiced; forming opinions without just cause
ignorant: unaware because of a lack of relevant information or knowledge

I have yet to see a logically sound argument for not legalizing marijuana. Therefore, I will categorize those who are against prop 19 as ignorant and bigoted. That can be the only explanation for their views.

Are you for or against prop 19?

X-Lax, it's hard to hold a monopoly (as the cartels do now) when the same product can be grown and sold on your own soil for cheaper prices.

[Phenom_]

May I ask(to the users of weed), why do you smoke weed?

Because I enjoy just chillin with friends and my girlfriend, kickin back and hanging out, smoking a bit. It really almost becomes a social thing in its self, and honestly I dont find it very negative. I fail to see how society accepts Frat boys getting shitfaced and destroying shit for 4 years as "just college", yet people with weed are criminals -.-
ALso, I enjoy glass collecting, it really is artwork. My local glass shop is a frequent stop and because of it I have made new friends within a new community (Glass Blowers).
I can understand how my opinion is biased... But come on guys, its just a plant =]

*EDIT* For those wondering how it can be taxed, there are already shops called "Dispensaries" that function literally as weed shops. They are NOT outlandish or strange at all. Already quite common place in California and thats only for medical marijuana patients, with establishments in place, no issue for the GOV to take taxes as they would from any other business.

[EvGa]

May I ask(to the users of weed), why do you smoke weed?

No hangover.

I smoke maybe once a month, at most. If it was legal I would give up alcohol.

[.curve]

May I ask(to the users of weed), why do you smoke weed?

No hangover.

I smoke maybe once a month, at most. If it was legal I would give up alcohol.

Pretty much same reason as this honestly. I rarely smoke. All my friends know I rarely smoke and so they are down to let me take a hit every once in a while because they know I don't smoke enough to justify buying some. Of course when it becomes legal, I'll smoke it more once I turn 21 and can.

[Skyve]

May I ask(to the users of weed), why do you smoke weed?

No hangover.

I smoke maybe once a month, at most. If it was legal I would give up alcohol.

Pretty much same reason as this honestly. I rarely smoke. All my friends know I rarely smoke and so they are down to let me take a hit every once in a while because they know I don't smoke enough to justify buying some. Of course when it becomes legal, I'll smoke it more once I turn 21 and can.

QFT. I rarely smoke. When I say I want a hit, they'll actually get excited and offer me some for free

[McLovin1t]

don't live there but would never support it.

[.curve]

QFT. I rarely smoke. When I say I want a hit, they'll actually get excited and offer me some for free

Yeah, exactly. And to not seem like a complete douche, I'll drop them a $20 or something and tell them to have a smoke on me. Makes me feel better, makes them happy, and keeps the weed around.

[Love]

May I ask(to the users of weed), why do you smoke weed?

Epic comment, you should begin by answering yourself.

Spoiler!

screams irony to me

[RiceFarmer]

Here's the official YES on 19 ad:


Who could benefit from opposing Prop 19? The only people I can think of are drug dealers, and cops who get a hard on arresting someone on possession, and getting commissioned for it. Idk.

For mothers worried about their kids smoking dope, if your kid wanted to smoke pot they could. It's easier for them to get weed then it is to get alcohol, would you rather them get it from a shady dealer, or from a registered marijuana store?

It's not just for the smokers either, Prop 19 will able police officers to stop wasting their time on charging people for possession, and start focusing on violent crimes instead. Also, with the tax on cannabis, the government will generate billions of dollars and in turn this will greatly help the economy.

So... what good will opposing Prop 19 do again?

[McLovin1t]

But seriously, why smoke weed? Even if you assert there are minimal health risks, it's still just a stupid habit in general, I mean, it's linked to cancer in the airways and it increases car accident risks and stuff. Why make it legal, even if you are responsible, why let hundreds of thousands of people who are irresponsible do it etc? It creates a bad example for younger generations as well. When the economy is brought up as the major proponent for the argument, people have to weigh this. What's more important, money in the state budget, or people's health? Also, it won't really help with drug cartels, but that's a whole 'nother story.

[RiceFarmer]

But seriously, why smoke weed? Even if you assert there are minimal health risks, it's still just a stupid habit in general, I mean, it's linked to cancer in the airways and it increases car accident risks and stuff. Why make it legal, even if you are responsible, why let hundreds of thousands of people who are irresponsible do it etc? It creates a bad example for younger generations as well. When the economy is brought up as the major proponent for the argument, people have to weigh this. What's more important, money in the state budget, or people's health? Also, it won't really help with drug cartels, but that's a whole 'nother story.

Weed has been proven to harm cancer cells. People caught driving high will be treated in a similar way to that of drunk drivers. Even then though, they are no where near as dangerous. High people are actually quite paranoid on the road, focus on everything around them and generally drive way below the speed limit. Irresponsible people now days are most likely getting smashed on alcohol, if they forfeit alcohol for weed, then that is a good thing.

[Shomari]

TL;DR

-It would still be illegal under Federal Law.-

[inky]

May I ask(to the users of weed), why do you smoke weed?

I was never the biggest pothead around. I rarely smoke it to be honest. I'm more of an alcohol guy. I do some of my most creative work while drinking a smooth glass of Patron. I'm not saying that weed/alcohol contains some magical creativity elixir within them; they simply help you relax and block out all the unnecessary clutter in your head - whether you just want to chill or get on your creative mood is completely up to you.

I'm mixing alcohol into this discussion since this is very similar to the US (alcohol) prohibition in the 1920s.

[wootpops]

go ahead, they say alot of the drug cartels up here in the vancouver region supply some of cali. hopefully it will put them out of business and make them **** off back to mexico.

[Phenom_]

But seriously, why smoke weed? Even if you assert there are minimal health risks, it's still just a stupid habit in general, I mean, it's linked to cancer in the airways and it increases car accident risks and stuff. Why make it legal, even if you are responsible, why let hundreds of thousands of people who are irresponsible do it etc? It creates a bad example for younger generations as well. When the economy is brought up as the major proponent for the argument, people have to weigh this. What's more important, money in the state budget, or people's health? Also, it won't really help with drug cartels, but that's a whole 'nother story.

Minus the Cancer part, almost everything you say can be backfired on alcohol, yet most people find it totally reasonable to have alc legal. People only say alcohol is legal because it is so old and has been around as a main part of pretty much every society. Cannabis has been illegal for a number of years now and is seen as taboo because of it. When it comes down to it, there is little difference between alcohol and weed yet they are treated completely differently. Makes no sense to me, I personally think that cannabis and alcohol should be regulated exactly the same.

[Love]

But seriously, why smoke weed? Even if you assert there are minimal health risks, it's still just a stupid habit in general, I mean, it's linked to cancer in the airways and it increases car accident risks and stuff. Why make it legal, even if you are responsible, why let hundreds of thousands of people who are irresponsible do it etc? It creates a bad example for younger generations as well. When the economy is brought up as the major proponent for the argument, people have to weigh this. What's more important, money in the state budget, or people's health? Also, it won't really help with drug cartels, but that's a whole 'nother story.

Is not a matter of whether it is good or bad, its a matter of you having the right to do w/e you please with your body ( as long as you're not harming others, had to be said ).

your body

your body

your body, that needed clarification.

No one has a valid moral high ground to inflict or restrict the behavior of others w/e that may be and regardless of how "beneficial" it is to the individual. That is all I am saying because chances are that what I am saying will not be understood by those who don't already understand it and the same nonsense will be put forth once again without addressing the many core flaws that have been repeatedly pointed out.

[inky]

But seriously, why smoke weed? Even if you assert there are minimal health risks, it's still just a stupid habit in general, I mean, it's linked to cancer in the airways and it increases car accident risks and stuff. Why make it legal, even if you are responsible, why let hundreds of thousands of people who are irresponsible do it etc? It creates a bad example for younger generations as well. When the economy is brought up as the major proponent for the argument, people have to weigh this. What's more important, money in the state budget, or people's health? Also, it won't really help with drug cartels, but that's a whole 'nother story.

Let me repeat what I mentioned in my last 2 posts:

-It is a health concern. Then again, so is alcohol, fast food, saturated fats, microwave use, artificial sweeteners, etc.
-People will smoke it regardless if it is legal or not if they want to.
-Revenue will go to the state government instead of illegal drug suppliers.
-Less drug-related violence among drug dealers.
-It's the same as alcohol. Ever read your history textbook about the alcohol prohibition? We can simply manage it the same way we do with alcohol - apply the same rules that apply to the distribution and consumption of alcohol.

[Ganja]

So... what good will opposing Prop 19 do again?

It will bring an ass load of needed money to California. If I'm not mistaken they made about $14 billion last year on weed alone. Oh, and also as someone said before me, drug dealers will make less money, at least from pot.

[Shomari]

The Feds will still come after everybody.
And arrest you.
You'll be all like but Prop 19 says derp,
They'll be like "Well I Farking say you're under arrest"

[EvGa]

But seriously, why drink alcohol? Even if you assert there are minimal health risks, it's still just a stupid habit in general, I mean, it's linked to sclerosis of the liver and it increases car accident risks and stuff. Why make it legal, even if you are responsible, why let hundreds of thousands of people who are irresponsible do it etc? It creates a bad example for younger generations as well. When the economy is brought up as the major proponent for the argument, people have to weigh this. What's more important, money in the state budget, or people's health? Also, it won't really help with bootleggers, but that's a whole 'nother story.

Say what?

See wut I dun der?

Love already said it, but to reiterate, I guess personal choice doesn't rank high on your list of freedoms?

The Feds will still come after everybody.
And arrest you.
You'll be all like but Prop 19 says derp,
They'll be like "Well I Farking say you're under arrest"

And to them I say, good luck.

[Ganja]

The Feds will still come after everybody.
And arrest you.
You'll be all like but Prop 19 says derp,
They'll be like "Well I Farking say you're under arrest"

I do remember watching this on the news and some of the local cops said they will be enforcing federal laws when it comes to possession. Which leads me to believe that if this gets passed California will become it's own country and/or join Mexico.

[XemnasXD]

I don't see why it's illegal. You can't OD on it. It's not hurting anyone. You rarely if ever hear cases of people who are high getting into car accidents, beating their wives, getting into fights. It's not addictive. It's not destructive to the body. It actually helps some people deal with pain. People don't turn violent. They tend to have a happier disposition. It helps with depression instead of making it worse.

this list kind of goes on and on...

If i could vote to legalize it i would. It's not hurting anyone and it would make a lot of people happy.

[Dimethyltryptamine]

May I ask(to the users of weed), why do you smoke weed?

Why do I smoke weed? For me, personally, I find it to be relaxing. It's also an 'escape'. I'm not harming myself or anyone else in doing so. You don't get hungover. It's cheap (when done in moderation, and when compared to alcohol).

The list could go on, but I really can't think of any more

[Doron]

So, everyone needs that to relax?

Since when isn't gaming relaxing anymore?

TBH I find relaxation in everything I do. May it be work, school, life, I always find a way to relax. Srsly, if you wanna relax do you REALLY need weed?

In that case, don't care but you can relax for a lot less.