Miss. school prom off after lesbian's date request

[Goseki]

I seriously doubt they knew that hmm, if we ask for equal rights so we can go to OUR PROM together (for girls, prom is actually a pretty big thing) the school will take the logical action and cancel prom. I don't think anyone foresaw that.

So you're saying it's better to just be oppressed since bringing up this issue will cause an uproar? Than why the hell do ppl ever protest against government, civil rights, wars, etc.
O right, because if we don't, ppl just keep doing what's wrong and trampling over one another. Like I said, I'm pretty sure their goal wasn't to get prom cancelled, it was prob to just get the administration to let up and let them go.

Sure it probably would've worked out better if they had asked earlier, but how often does that happen. The article said she didn't ask the principle until the memos for Prom was handed out. We don't even know the full situation. Were they dating before that year? What if they just decided to go to prom the day of the memo. Why would she ask ahead of time if she had no date. Too many factors are unknown at this point, so using the "they should've asked ahead of time" doesn't really work to well here in this situation.

[XemnasXD]

funny how people only add that to something they know can be seen as offensive (but not meant as such)

Fixed it for you. I fail to see what is so funny about that though. Perhaps you're just taking offence for the sake of taking offence.

your entire post was a rude joke. "as long as they behave"? Like we're children or animals that could get out of hand and by get out of hand i mean showing affection for our respective partners. I guess kissing my boyfriend on the cheek at school dance would be me misbehaving but the other 200 or so hormonal asshats making out and grinding their asses onto the nearest crotch would be ok...

Now if that's not what you intended then maybe you should've chosen your words better. You're right its not funny when people add that to something they know is offensive, its stupid. If you are saying something that you know is probably going to offend some people then either don't say or stand by it but don't say something offense and then tell people not to be offended. If someone calls me a n*gger and then says no offense, guess what, i'm still f*ckin offended...surprise right, or maybe i just take offense because thats what gets me off...i dunno...

also i like Reise's 2 cents in this...

Half the reason these issues are so controversial is because those who push for equality choose the absolute worst times to decide to become activists.

Most people who push for equality do so in response to injustice. She should not have to announce to the school months beforehand who she is going to the prom with so they can clear it, no one else has to do it. The whole point of this is there should be no problem with her going to prom with her girlfriend. Even if she had announced this early the board would've probably reached the same decision and the ACLU would've taken the same action and the prom would've been canceled anyway. Timing is not an issue here, it should never be an issue, you sound like one of the girls who is mad that now they spent all that money on a prom dress and have nothing to do with it...darn, why couldn't she have picked a better time to have her constitutional rights denied...

[Reise]

So there is no issue until it directly effects you?

[Goseki]

So there is no issue until it directly effects you?

Whaaaaaaatttttttttttttttttt?????


Not a clue what the point of your post is, but I don't see how homosexual rights could ever affect me.

Actually, after thinking about it, there's only one way for there to be an issue. I would have an issue with homosexual rights, if their way of doing it involved some guy trying to hump me. In which case I would have an issue. As long as there is no junk being shoved at me, I'm fine. They may continue.

[Reise]

Issue for them, not you.

[Goseki]

So there is no issue for them until it directly effects you?

Ahh makes perfect sense now /sarcasm.

Was that a joke post? There's no issue for them until i'm directly affected? What? Umm in case your serious, pls go back to OP.

[Ningyotsukai-san]

That may be the case, but when they fail to understand the effect such an action would have, they invite this sort of criticism. Clearly they know that "being themselves" means causing an uproar, yet they decided to be stubborn and disregard everyone else's feelings and wants. Now nobody gets a prom. "Oh but proms aren't a big deal." I'd agree, but that doesn't justify walking on other people's values.

Eh, I'd disregard everyone else's feelings or wants if it meant I couldn't go to the Prom with my partner simply because we were different, but who knows ... they might've not seen the whole "banning prom" thing happening.

and I agree w/ Xem ... timing had no real, highly influential effect on the outcome and like cpinney said, wasn't surprised by just seeing the location ... lol

Though, if being selfless in light of unfairness is 'right' ... when is it good enough to be selfish, like the majority of others, in the right to go to some dance with a same-sex partner on equal footing to heterosexuals?

[Jstar1]

Yes there is an injustice, no that does not mean you should strive to ruin everyone else's experience just for your own gains.

Yeah that pretty much sums up what I was trying to get across. I still stand behind my original point. High school prom is not the best place to try to protest unfair laws. Anyways, I don't think they were trying to protest it because there would be much better ways to do so, like I said writing a letter to the school board, gathering a petition, etc.

[Reise]

Was that a joke post? There's no issue for them until i'm directly affected? What? Umm in case your serious, pls go back to OP.

Are you dense? I was replying in context to what Xemnas wrote.

He was saying they shouldn't have to bother addressing the issue.

She should not have to announce to the school months beforehand who she is going to the prom with so they can clear it, no one else has to do it.

My point is, if they were going to make a fit about it, where were they back before this all became a publicity stunt? The rule didn't appear just now to discriminate against them, it had been there all along.

If you're going to be offended by particular rules, why wait to be active against them?

[Toshiharu]

It's Unconstitutional.

Your rights don't exist in a school.

[Goseki]

@Jstar and Reise

People don't preemptively go after laws that prevent from doing something until it effects them. People aren't THAT bored. I'm sure the girls didn't plan to get prom cancelled. Like Xemnas said, it's not that ppl wait for these times to protest, it's because these are the times that these issues come up.

The rule's been there for awhile, but like I said, neither side knows the full story. Was she dating the girl or came out of the closet before the prom? Who knows how long it's been that she was a lesbian, or had a date, or wanted to go to the prom. All the article says was she got the memo, than decided to talk to the principle about it.

[XemnasXD]

He was saying they shouldn't have to bother addressing the issue.

She should not have to announce to the school months beforehand who she is going to the prom with so they can clear it, no one else has to do it.

My point is, if they were going to make a fit about it, where were they back before this all became a publicity stunt? The rule didn't appear just now to discriminate against them, it had been there all along.

If you're going to be offended by particular rules, why wait to be active against them?

Where was who, the ACLU or the two lesbos. Not really sure how the former works, i imagine they sit around until someone calls them about their rights being violated then they spring into actions. The latter were probably enjoying each others company not hurting anyone, minding their own business.

I have a feeling you'd really be saying they were really just attention whores if this was all taking place before prom with them having no intention of going to prom and the lawsuit against the school came completely out of nowhere. Then you'd be all, well why should they care about prom, they're not even going, this is a publicity stunt, all they want is attention, they're just in this for the money...

An Injustice is an Injustice and im so sorry (/sarcasm) that injustice sometimes happens at the wrong time for some people and im so sorry (/sarcasm) that they didn't act like the extreme activist you seem to be deriding this entire time, you know, by taking all this up when they had no stake in the issue and it wasn't even affecting them, nosy people that go out of their way to rock the boat, you seem to be against that sort of thing but you keep complaining that thats exactly what these girls should've done.

The truth of the matter is no matter where and when these girls took up this matter you'd be singing the same tune. Wrong timing, making trouble, attention whores...we've both been here long enough to know that...

[Barotix]

the thing about legalizing same-sex marriage is that a lot of gays do really dumb things to try to get their message across. Yes it gets publicity but thats about it, everyone else just ends up hating them.

Like these girls. Planning to dress up in a tuxedo? Like you didn't think that wasn't going to cause a shitstorm? There are more concrete and less juvenile ways of getting your message across to others.

What, exactly, is juvenile about wearing a tux? Would it have made a difference if she wore a dress? She would still be on the dance floor, she would still be gay (not like she has a choice), and she'd still make out with her girlfriend.

It's unconstitutional, the school was in the wrong, and fck the bible belt for it's skewing of old ass irrelevant bible verses.

It's Unconstitutional.

Your rights don't exist in a school.

LOLOLOLOL
THIS IS ME LAUGHING OUT LOUD AT YOU FOR NOT TAKING A RUDIMENTARY GOVERNMENT CLASS OR KNOWING OF THE VARIOUS CASES WHERE THE ACLU SUED A SCHOOL FOR UNCONSTITUTIONAL BULLSHIT LLOLOLOLOL BECAUSE OUR RIGHTS EXIST REGARDLESS OF LOCATION AS LONG AS WE'RE IN THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION EXIST. THIS MYTH THAT OUR RIGHTS DON'T EXIST IS SOME BULLSHIT.

/cruise control for control.

Every time I hear someone say that or see someone post that I rage.

[Blurred]

I don't know why people make a big deal out of gays.

[EvGa]

I don't know why people make a big deal out of gays.

Satan has their souls. They're dangerous and need to be exterminated.

/not srs

Asked my greek orthodox friend about this earlier today. His reply:

Him: I don't see what's wrong.
Me: *massive facepalm*
Him: What? What happens if we allow gays and gay marriage? Then what? Threesomes? Marriage is a man and a women.
Me: Says who? The bible? You think people choose to be gay?
Him: "Of course they do."
Me *another facepalm* What about studies showing you're wrong?
Him: God says it's wrong.
Me: Well, you're %100 wrong.
Him: God isn't wrong and being gay is.
Me: urine idiot

It was a little more involved than that, but basically, he's a religious bigot like many other people around here (Texas). Gotta look past the religious idiocy around here or I wouldn't have any friends...lol.

[Tasdik]

<3 the south/bible belt. </3 the queers of this world. Gays are just drama queens/attention whores IMO.

[cpinney]

<3 the south/bible belt. </3 the queers of this world. Gays are just drama queens/attention whores IMO.

[Blurred]

<3 the south/bible belt. </3 the queers of this world. Gays are just drama queens/attention whores IMO.

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[/Pi]

<3 the south/bible belt. </3 the queers of this world. Gays are just drama queens/attention whores IMO.

I can't understand you with Fly's dick in your mouth.

[Shadow]

your entire post was a rude joke. "as long as they behave"? Like we're children or animals that could get out of hand and by get out of hand i mean showing affection for our respective partners.

Very well, I admit my choice of words was bad. What I meant with this carelessly thrown "behave" was "not highlighting their sexuality".

I guess kissing my boyfriend on the cheek at school dance would be me misbehaving but the other 200 or so hormonal asshats making out and grinding their asses onto the nearest crotch would be ok...

We were asked for opinions. I find myself disturbed by male homosexuality, and it is not something I choose to do.
While I consider "shoving affection" in public generally inappropriate, but I am not disturbed by heterosexuals or even two females doing that.

You're right its not funny when people add that to something they know is offensive, its stupid. If you are saying something that you know is probably going to offend some people then either don't say or stand by it but don't say something offense and then tell people not to be offended. If someone calls me a n*gger and then says no offense, guess what, i'm still f*ckin offended...surprise right, or maybe i just take offense because thats what gets me off...i dunno...

*sigh*

If one says "no offence intented" after saying something that was not meant to offence, it just fcking means what it says. If some overzealous offencetaker insists on taking offence anyway, well I'd say that's very much his own problem.

If someone calls you a n*gger and then says no offence intented, that's just trollin' since he obviously meant offence anyway.
I think you just refuse the acknowledge the existance of the first scenario. Tbho one must be some kind of a zealot to take offence on the internet. I stopped taking offence on the internet in.. 1998 I think.

[John_Doe]

<3 the south/bible belt. </3 the queers of this world. Gays are just drama queens/attention whores IMO.

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[Tasdik]

<3 the south/bible belt. </3 the queers of this world. Gays are just drama queens/attention whores IMO.

I can't understand you with Fly's dick in your mouth.

Wth? I haven't talked to fly or anyone from Venus in a few months. Randomness ftl.

[Tasdik]

I think I found tweedle-dumbest with that last post. These girls did not "obviously" want to make a splash on everyone else. Incorrect. When your a gay in Mississippi your going to make a splash. And they know it too. The requirements back than also said that blacks had to sit in the back of the bus. Skin color =/= a choice. Likewise, Rosa also ignored it because she was tired. These girls just want to go to prom the way they are. The school is just being a self-righteous dick and trying to start hate against the girls.

You think a girl wearing a tux is "show-offy" at prom? Yes. FYI, there are lesbians who wear men's clothing all the time. They're not trying to show-off their homosexuality, it's just how they're comfortable. Tux's aren't comfortable. This making your argument is completely void. It's like if I were to say you wearing a tux is too "show-offy", stop flauting your heterosexualness around. Once again, a lesbian wearing a tux =/= as a heterosexual wearing a tux. I don't care which way your try to look at it. A hetero is just wearing nice clothes that were meant to be worn by heteros. Like I said, one of the lesbian couple in my High School wore a tux with her date and no one gave a shit. We all hung out and had fun because it's PROM.

I think to cancel the prom was not only unfair, but a perfect excuse to start trouble for the girls. Like I said, the girls live in Mississippi, they know how 90% of the people down there feel about gays. They started trouble for themselves. The administrators that passed that need to be penalized and even fired for mishandling the situation so immaturely.

[XemnasXD]

If someone calls you a n*gger and then says no offence intented, that's just trollin' since he obviously meant offence anyway.

you have no idea how many times i've been called a n*gger or have had people use that word in my presence referring to other black people only to be told "no offense" and then are faced with honest confusion when i take offense.

I don't believe in the scenario you're suggesting because it doesn't exist. You are saying something that people could take a offense to, you KNOW this. You're adding no offense at the end of this knowingly offensive comment because you recognize that. Despite all of these things you are now telling me not to be offended and are insisting that by taking offense to the comment you KNEW had the potential to offend, im just taking it too far. What kind of fail logic is that. Like i said either say it and stand by it or don't say it at all, but don't half-ass it and attempt to cover your tracks because if you were really so worried about offending people you wouldn't have said it at all.

</3 the south/bible belt. <3 the queers of this world. Christians are just drama queens/attention whores IMO.

now i don't really believe that but in this case who is being more dramatic...the girls who just wanted to go to prom or the school board for making a big deal out of it, saying no, then canceling the entire event. One of those scenarios is a lifetime movie...the other is probably a romantic/comedy...

I like how you feel that since these girls live in Mississippi they should just keep quiet and accept the status quo completely ignoring the parallels to race or religion. I guess if someone was being discriminated for being muslim then you'd say the same thing, religion, unlike sexuality is actually 100% proven to be a choice. So what then if the school said two muslims couldn't attended prom because traditional muslim formal dress, say she's wearing a burka, did not fit the normal code...

[Tasdik]

</3 the south/bible belt. <3 the queers of this world. Christians are just drama queens/attention whores IMO.

now i don't really believe that but in this case who is being more dramatic...the girls who just wanted to go to prom or the school board for making a big deal out of it, saying no, then canceling the entire event. One of those scenarios is a lifetime movie...the other is probably a romantic/comedy...

I like how you feel that since these girls live in Mississippi they should just keep quiet and accept the status quo completely ignoring the parallels to race or religion. I guess if someone was being discriminated for being muslim then you'd say the same thing, religion, unlike sexuality is actually 100% proven to be a choice. So what then if the school said two muslims couldn't attended prom because traditional muslim formal dress, say she's wearing a burka, did not fit the normal code...

Don't get me wrong. I think that both of them, both the school board and the girls, didn't handle this very well. The school board more so, simply because their older and should have used more discretion in making such a big decision.

They don't have to "keep quite" but they should, and probably do, know that their certain "views" aren't shared with the vast majority of people from Mississippi. I'm sure quite a few parents would have been appalled upon learning that there were going to be two lesbians at their kids prom. Some wouldn't have even let their kids go I'm sure. So whose really being selfish here? The two girls who feel jilted because they can't go to prom due to their lesbianess? Or all the other kids who wouldn't have been allowed to go because of the two lesbians? Which would be a lot more then two.

And yes, I do tend to try and keep the status quo as much as possible. Being a hassle or a problem that someone has to deal with is not something I try to be.

Quite a few Muslims actually don't have a choice, especially in the middle east. But I see your point. I'm, well, I guess you'd call me a christian. But, I don't have any qualms with the peaceful Muslims. And the way they dress does not bother me as much has seeing a girl in mans clothes, or visa versa, or two gays making out. At least the Muslims are wearing clothes that were designed for them to wear.

[_Equal_]

Wow, this thread is full of fail...although I gotta agree with Xemnas, when is there a "good time" to protest an injustice?

As for the girls in Mississippi, what difference does it make? what, you telling them to move to San Francisco or Minneapolis or some other area where they are more "accepting"? Ok Tasdik, get out of the US, you're Muslim and we don't accept you.

you know I'm kidding, but please see the logic here.

[Tasdik]

Wow, this thread is full of fail...although I gotta agree with Xemnas, when is there a "good time" to protest an injustice?

As for the girls in Mississippi, what difference does it make? what, you telling them to move to San Francisco or Minneapolis or some other area where they are more "accepting"? Ok Tasdik, get out of the US, you're Muslim and we don't accept you.

you know I'm kidding, but please see the logic here.

No. But the point is that other places are more accepting. Mississippi is not. What did they expect?

I accept Muslims...

[Barotix]

</3 the south/bible belt. <3 the queers of this world. Christians are just drama queens/attention whores IMO.

now i don't really believe that but in this case who is being more dramatic...the girls who just wanted to go to prom or the school board for making a big deal out of it, saying no, then canceling the entire event. One of those scenarios is a lifetime movie...the other is probably a romantic/comedy...

I like how you feel that since these girls live in Mississippi they should just keep quiet and accept the status quo completely ignoring the parallels to race or religion. I guess if someone was being discriminated for being muslim then you'd say the same thing, religion, unlike sexuality is actually 100% proven to be a choice. So what then if the school said two muslims couldn't attended prom because traditional muslim formal dress, say she's wearing a burka, did not fit the normal code...

Don't get me wrong. I think that both of them, both the school board and the girls, didn't handle this very well. The school board more so, simply because their older and should have used more discretion in making such a big decision.

They don't have to "keep quite" but they should, and probably do, know that their certain "views" aren't shared with the vast majority of people from Mississippi. I'm sure quite a few parents would have been appalled upon learning that there were going to be two lesbians at their kids prom. Some wouldn't have even let their kids go I'm sure. So whose really being selfish here? The two girls who feel jilted because they can't go to prom due to their lesbianess? Or all the other kids who wouldn't have been allowed to go because of the two lesbians? Which would be a lot more then two.

And yes, I do tend to try and keep the status quo as much as possible. Being a hassle or a problem that someone has to deal with is not something I try to be.

Quite a few Muslims actually don't have a choice, especially in the middle east. But I see your point. I'm, well, I guess you'd call me a christian. But, I don't have any qualms with the peaceful Muslims. And the way they dress does not bother me as much has seeing a girl in mans clothes, or visa versa, or two gays making out. At least the Muslims are wearing clothes that were designed for them to wear.

So, you're a tool. You would be that guy upset about black children being sent to white only schools during the civil rights movement because it's against the status quo. A massive tool. Homosexuality is not a choice, hating homosexuals is not Christ-Like, and you should rethink your statements. Don't you realize what you type are the same arguments used to defend segregation? Seriously. The parallels are so glaring.

[Goseki]

I wonder now if Tasdik is just trolling or being truly ignant...

[woutR]

1. Skin color =/= a choice.
2. Tux's aren't comfortable. This making your argument is completely void.
3. Once again, a lesbian wearing a tux =/= as a heterosexual wearing a tux. I don't care which way your try to look at it. A hetero is just wearing nice clothes that were meant to be worn by heteros.
4. Like I said, the girls live in Mississippi, they know how 90% of the people down there feel about gays. They started trouble for themselves.

1.) Being gay is not a choice you ignorant prick
2.) Saddest attempt I've ever seen to 'void' someone's argument. Would wearing a boa, a thong and angel wings make you feel comfortable? Comfortable is not just how stuff feels on the outside, it's on the inside as well.
3.) Since when is there a distinction between hetero and gay clothing? Gays can't wear hetero clothing? Gay people need their own special clothing? Maybe we should just give them something so they stand out... perhaps a yellow star?
4.) "Oh darn I'd like to fight for my goddamn rights and to be able to live like I want to live... but I live in Mississippi and 90% of the people is ignorant here. Well, then I'm just not going to try either!"
Doesn't the fact that '90% of the people' don't like gays in Mississippi make it one of the most perfect places to protest to this kind of injustice?

I think you're being completely ridiculous and narrow-minded. Why would you give a shit if a woman dresses in a tuxedo? It makes her feel good and comfortable, and it doesn't affect your life one bit.
In the Netherlands gay people can marry and they dance on boats through Amsterdam. Hell, even our politicians join the boat. They're gay too. Has it affected my life even for a little bit? No.
Has it changed their life, that they are now finally equal, can marry and be just like you (with the obvious exception of not being retarded), YES, YES, YES!
What's holding you back that a perfect stranger can not have a better life, at no expense to you?
The most important value of the bible is love. Why not let everyone share in this marvelous experience?