nVidia Fermi/GF100 - GTX480/470

[[SD]Master_Wong]

Wrong.

The higher resolution you have, the more the graphic card will work, therefore the less it will bottleneck.

wrong the higher resolution the mroe data needs to be calculated the more the gfx card will work, harder it is to process all this data and thats more likly to bottle neck

dude learn what bottle neck is first

wrong, depends on the application and 80% + of the time in gaming your gpu will be your weakest link at higher resolutions.

bottle neck is and occurs when any part of your pc caps and pretty much craps down the rest of your system to it's performance, easy examples would be a 1 ghz cpu in a quadfire setup and an i9 paired with a 6 year old gpu, both will obviously be unplayable and both old pieces of hardware are to blame, this can also occur with hardrive, ram, your internet connection ( when required obviously ), etc.

not to call you out just getting the facts straight =p

pretty sure thats what i implied when i said the more data there is to process i never said the gpu processed all that data kind of why at the start of the thread i asked to make sure my cpu and mobo wouldnt bottleneck with the new gfx card

so i dont think i am wrong i just dont think i put it down properly could have been phrased different

[MiKe 51-50]

I doubt any game other then crysis will make you need a faster processor.
I ran a Dual core E6400@2.13 and then upgraded to a Q6600@3.2, no real noticeable different when running a gtx 280 on both processors. Maybe a few frames in tf2 and cod4. Not really worth spending $800+ dollars on new i7/mobo/ram.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

my system is a couple of years old either i upgrade or by 2years time il be finding it hard to keep up as is the way of computer

[Azilius]

I doubt any game other then crysis will make you need a faster processor.
I ran a Dual core E6400@2.13 and then upgraded to a Q6600@3.2, no real noticeable different when running a gtx 280 on both processors. Maybe a few frames in tf2 and cod4. Not really worth spending $800+ dollars on new i7/mobo/ram.

My situation was a pent4 @ 3.06 upgraded to a Q6600. Before I bought my 285 I had an 8600gt and I noticed a big jump in FPS when I upgraded CPU.

But on those tech forums and shit..I mostly see enthusiasts complain about a few FPS. Oh god my Q9650 is bottlenecking me! Gonna upgrade to an i7 extreme to stop it!

=\

[SwordCloud]

Wrong.

The higher resolution you have, the more the graphic card will work, therefore the less it will bottleneck.

wrong the higher resolution the mroe data needs to be calculated the more the gfx card will work, harder it is to process all this data and thats more likly to bottle neck

dude learn what bottle neck is first

wrong, depends on the application and 80% + of the time in gaming your gpu will be your weakest link at higher resolutions.

bottle neck is and occurs when any part of your pc caps and pretty much craps down the rest of your system to it's performance, easy examples would be a 1 ghz cpu in a quadfire setup and an i9 paired with a 6 year old gpu, both will obviously be unplayable and both old pieces of hardware are to blame, this can also occur with hardrive, ram, your internet connection ( when required obviously ), etc.

not to call you out just getting the facts straight =p

Wrong the more HDD u have the more ram u'll have ..

[Azilius]

virtual HDD ram =/= ram

it is a MUCH slower alternative which would only end up bottlenecking you more.
Way to ignore the rest of his correct post =\

[EvGa]

Wrong the more HDD u have the more ram u'll have ..

No.

[Love]

Wrong the more HDD u have the more ram u'll have ..

No.

lol I was going to respond to genius here but it seemed like a lot of work, you took care of him quite fast ( til he asks why ).

[cpinney]

Wrong the more HDD u have the more ram u'll have ..

[SwordCloud]

:palm:
virtual HDD ram =/= ram

it is a MUCH slower alternative which would only end up bottlenecking you more.
Way to ignore the rest of his correct post =\

I was being sarcastique to make a combo with wrong like you guys trying to have the correct answer .
HDD hard disk drive and ram have no link,i was just trying to do like you guys

[Azilius]

:palm:
virtual HDD ram =/= ram

it is a MUCH slower alternative which would only end up bottlenecking you more.
Way to ignore the rest of his correct post =\

I was being sarcastique to make a combo with wrong like you guys trying to have the correct answer .
HDD hard disk drive and ram have no link,i was just trying to do like you guys

Well you sort of wrong again..since you can create virtual RAM on your HDD. Either way I see where you're coming from =p

[Love]

:palm:
virtual HDD ram =/= ram

it is a MUCH slower alternative which would only end up bottlenecking you more.
Way to ignore the rest of his correct post =\

I was being sarcastique to make a combo with wrong like you guys trying to have the correct answer .
HDD hard disk drive and ram have no link,i was just trying to do like you guys

Well you sort of wrong again..since you can create virtual RAM on your HDD. Either way I see where you're coming from =p

lol beat me to it.

[SwordCloud]

:palm:
virtual HDD ram =/= ram

it is a MUCH slower alternative which would only end up bottlenecking you more.
Way to ignore the rest of his correct post =\

I was being sarcastique to make a combo with wrong like you guys trying to have the correct answer .
HDD hard disk drive and ram have no link,i was just trying to do like you guys

Well you sort of wrong again..since you can create virtual RAM on your HDD. Either way I see where you're coming from =p

Actually you are wrong,Virtual memory don't use only you HDD but your RAM too,(yea when you don't know you shouldn't speak)
It's SLOWER,and things take HIGHTER SPACE,and most of time you must use the TBL when you use that slow memory,trashing ..and such..it's isn't the same thing. oh and =P

[Love]

cloud stop embarrasing yourself couse you are wrong yet again.

[SwordCloud]

cloud stop embarrasing yourself couse you are wrong yet again.

Where and which thing?Common I can prove it,you just trying to act smart but yet i am right.

[Azilius]

I was being sarcastique to make a combo with wrong like you guys trying to have the correct answer .
HDD hard disk drive and ram have no link,i was just trying to do like you guys

Well you sort of wrong again..since you can create virtual RAM on your HDD. Either way I see where you're coming from =p

Actually you are wrong,Virtual memory don't use only you HDD but your RAM too,(yea when you don't know you shouldn't speak)
It's SLOWER,and things take HIGHTER SPACE,and most of time you must use the TBL when you use that slow memory,trashing ..and such..it's isn't the same thing. oh and =P

You just said they have no link. Now you say virtual memory doesn't use only your HDD but your RAM too (wut?). So not only are you wrong but you are wrong at being wrong. First you say no link then you link them. You tried and failed sarcasm, then tried to explain yourself and were wrong. Then tried to explain yourself again by contradicting yourself with another wrong explanation.

Nice.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

look there is a link limited one at that, the link is more active in ssd but let me tell you its by far not a substitute and you cannot run a pc without ram so talking about this is irrelevent if you want ram most of you have ddr2 which is dirt cheap for just a bit of memory unles your after something that will benefit more then jst more memory then no point talking about this

[SwordCloud]

Sir VIRTUAL RAM and RAM isn't the same thing,you do virtual ram?you do a link,but he is not here if you do not create it,so there is not link,do you understand the difference or you fail again?

[cpinney]

cloud you give much lols

[SwordCloud]

cloud you give much lols

Im here for that after all,i wasn't here to talk about Nvidia

[Elements]

Why would you get a Fermi card they are made of nothing but fail... they run way to hot and only offer a max of 5% performance over the 5xxx series plus they will cost more.

Save your money and buy a 5xxx series instead

[Love]

Why would you get a Fermi card they are made of nothing but fail... they run way to hot and only offer a max of 5% performance over the 5xxx series plus they will cost more.

Save your money and buy a 5xxx series instead

show us fermi benchmarks, go !

[Elements]

Why would you get a Fermi card they are made of nothing but fail... they run way to hot and only offer a max of 5% performance over the 5xxx series plus they will cost more.

Save your money and buy a 5xxx series instead

show us fermi benchmarks, go !

There are no official benchmarks yet because they cant produce enough card that actualy work to send out to be reviewed and the ones that do work run insanely hot and have no powermangement because reducing the wattage breaks the card... but the people who have seen them say that the card will give upto a 5% improvement over the 5870 in some cases... for instance the heaven benchmarks that Nvidia have shown they only picked the tesselation intensive sections which Fermi does have an advantage in but in real world application tesselation doesnt work like it does in that benchmark anyways to it doesnt matter.

All in all... unless you want an overpriced card that runs hot and has little room to overclock unless you are gonna be running on water cooling then I would go for an ATI card... just wait till Fermi is out and see how ATI reacts they will probably reduce the price a little and may even release a new card... there is talk of a true 5870X2.

[Azilius]

Sir VIRTUAL RAM and RAM isn't the same thing,you do virtual ram?you do a link,but he is not here if you do not create it,so there is not link,do you understand the difference or you fail again?

Let's put it this way. You cannot speak English properly or understand it and I was only continuing the argument to bring lols. You are wrong because you probably can't say it in English properly.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

Why would you get a Fermi card they are made of nothing but fail... they run way to hot and only offer a max of 5% performance over the 5xxx series plus they will cost more.

Save your money and buy a 5xxx series instead

show us fermi benchmarks, go !

There are no official benchmarks yet because they cant produce enough card that actualy work to send out to be reviewed and the ones that do work run insanely hot and have no powermangement because reducing the wattage breaks the card... but the people who have seen them say that the card will give upto a 5% improvement over the 5870 in some cases... for instance the heaven benchmarks that Nvidia have shown they only picked the tesselation intensive sections which Fermi does have an advantage in but in real world application tesselation doesnt work like it does in that benchmark anyways to it doesnt matter.

All in all... unless you want an overpriced card that runs hot and has little room to overclock unless you are gonna be running on water cooling then I would go for an ATI card... just wait till Fermi is out and see how ATI reacts they will probably reduce the price a little and may even release a new card... there is talk of a true 5870X2.

your post failed here

There are no official benchmarks

and fail even more is they are released on march 26th NO reputable company would ever put a down a release date if such HUGE flaws existed, you may notice im bolding key words here

and also because nvidia releases a new card dont mean ati will reduce prices or bring out a new card. you have no grasp on reality your posts are based on pure rumor and mislead rumors at that.

I will wait until it is out although i have since decided upon a new course of action for my computer upgrades so will not be getting this right away so it will have time to settle flaws (yes i said flaws) that pop up in the first itteration of the fermi gf100 chip.

i am eager to hear your point, counter-point arguement to this post and request links to back up this quite oblivous false rumors.

[Elements]

There are no official benchmarks yet because they cant produce enough card that actualy work to send out to be reviewed and the ones that do work run insanely hot and have no powermangement because reducing the wattage breaks the card... but the people who have seen them say that the card will give upto a 5% improvement over the 5870 in some cases... for instance the heaven benchmarks that Nvidia have shown they only picked the tesselation intensive sections which Fermi does have an advantage in but in real world application tesselation doesnt work like it does in that benchmark anyways to it doesnt matter.

All in all... unless you want an overpriced card that runs hot and has little room to overclock unless you are gonna be running on water cooling then I would go for an ATI card... just wait till Fermi is out and see how ATI reacts they will probably reduce the price a little and may even release a new card... there is talk of a true 5870X2.

your post failed here

There are no official benchmarks

and fail even more is they are released on march 26th NO reputable company would ever put a down a release date if such HUGE flaws existed, you may notice im bolding key words here

and also because nvidia releases a new card dont mean ati will reduce prices or bring out a new card. you have no grasp on reality your posts are based on pure rumor and mislead rumors at that.

I will wait until it is out although i have since decided upon a new course of action for my computer upgrades so will not be getting this right away so it will have time to settle flaws (yes i said flaws) that pop up in the first itteration of the fermi gf100 chip.

i am eager to hear your point, counter-point arguement to this post and request links to back up this quite oblivous false rumors.

Say what you want the points I made are valid, you can search around for yourself, the Fermi chip design doesnt work the way they intended it to... if it did do you think they would be over 6 months behind the competition with the cars still to even ship.

Look around for yourself the problems arent exactly secret, they have problems with power management which give them an insanely high TDP which means overclocking will be all be impossible for users running the stock cooler.

They have missed their clock speeds twice now I believe meaning the cards arent even close the running what they first said they would be.

The performance reports from the people who have gotten a hold of the advanced chips are not impressive enough to out way the draw backs an insane price they will charge for them.

Believe me or dont believe me I dont care lol, if you go and research you will see the problems they have had and are continueing to have with the chip... I mean apparently the reference board isnt even finalised yet... Until they can shrink the chip they dont really stand a chance of realisticly competing with ATI this round. Yes they may get a couple of % performance here and there but unless they solve the other problems and drop their prices those few % count for jack.

And you do realise that "Official" benchmarks are never real before the launch as they only supply the cards for review to people who will skim over the failings, they did this with the last couple of gens when all they did was rename the same chip over and over again... so I dont doubt they will do it again with this failure.... if you want a benchmark you will have to wait untill it is released and see a realworld benchmark done buy an actual customer.

Plus releasing the cards on the 26th means nothing... they can do a release even if they only have like 5k cards... so that doesnt mean anything.

[cpinney]

Say what you want the points I made are valid, you can search around for yourself

you are the one making the claim therefor YOU bring the evidence to the table not the other way around.

[Love]

there is no way I am reading the wall of text on the fermi discussion but ya random person you are basing your nonsense on rumors and fanboy ones at that, keeping it short all you said is nonsense you have no idea about anything and ya your claims are false ...

[MiKe 51-50]

I'm expecting the gtx 480 to be around $700 bucks. No game available will stress this card till the next crysis.

[[SD]Master_Wong]

There are no official benchmarks yet because they cant produce enough card that actualy work to send out to be reviewed and the ones that do work run insanely hot and have no powermangement because reducing the wattage breaks the card... but the people who have seen them say that the card will give upto a 5% improvement over the 5870 in some cases... for instance the heaven benchmarks that Nvidia have shown they only picked the tesselation intensive sections which Fermi does have an advantage in but in real world application tesselation doesnt work like it does in that benchmark anyways to it doesnt matter.

All in all... unless you want an overpriced card that runs hot and has little room to overclock unless you are gonna be running on water cooling then I would go for an ATI card... just wait till Fermi is out and see how ATI reacts they will probably reduce the price a little and may even release a new card... there is talk of a true 5870X2.

your post failed here

There are no official benchmarks

and fail even more is they are released on march 26th NO reputable company would ever put a down a release date if such HUGE flaws existed, you may notice im bolding key words here

and also because nvidia releases a new card dont mean ati will reduce prices or bring out a new card. you have no grasp on reality your posts are based on pure rumor and mislead rumors at that.

I will wait until it is out although i have since decided upon a new course of action for my computer upgrades so will not be getting this right away so it will have time to settle flaws (yes i said flaws) that pop up in the first itteration of the fermi gf100 chip.

i am eager to hear your point, counter-point arguement to this post and request links to back up this quite oblivous false rumors.

Say what you want the points I made are valid, you can search around for yourself, the Fermi chip design doesnt work the way they intended it to... if it did do you think they would be over 6 months behind the competition with the cars still to even ship.

Look around for yourself the problems arent exactly secret, they have problems with power management which give them an insanely high TDP which means overclocking will be all be impossible for users running the stock cooler.

They have missed their clock speeds twice now I believe meaning the cards arent even close the running what they first said they would be.

The performance reports from the people who have gotten a hold of the advanced chips are not impressive enough to out way the draw backs an insane price they will charge for them.

Believe me or dont believe me I dont care lol, if you go and research you will see the problems they have had and are continueing to have with the chip... I mean apparently the reference board isnt even finalised yet... Until they can shrink the chip they dont really stand a chance of realisticly competing with ATI this round. Yes they may get a couple of % performance here and there but unless they solve the other problems and drop their prices those few % count for jack.

And you do realise that "Official" benchmarks are never real before the launch as they only supply the cards for review to people who will skim over the failings, they did this with the last couple of gens when all they did was rename the same chip over and over again... so I dont doubt they will do it again with this failure.... if you want a benchmark you will have to wait untill it is released and see a realworld benchmark done buy an actual customer.

Plus releasing the cards on the 26th means nothing... they can do a release even if they only have like 5k cards... so that doesnt mean anything.

your claims you prove them.

im not asking for official benchmarks just a benchmark of a final chip not a working proto-type which most have been based on so far OFC if im not mistaken.

secondly you are making a very bias case against nvidia supporting ati why? il happily go with the trends of whats good and whats not but matter of the fact is this is due to release around the time i figured id be upgrading so was logical to consider it. its not a lie i prefer nvidia but in saying that iv used ati chips and intels in the past (also a amd fan hence the comment on intels) no point restricting your self.

finally this is the most important your case has no logical base, nvidia is a world class company who supply chips to a wide range of people. they are professional and successful so tell me if such huge problems exist one why hasnt anyone heard of them until you mentioned it, two how would this company not notice these problems on the cards they hold when people who do not own one can see these problems? and thirdly why would this company stake its reputation and money in such a flawed venture?

now i again eagerly await a response and hope this time i see some evidense as this computer im on atm is shit and slow i do not want to search for things you should supply when making your case.