Hm. Watch this particular scenario carefully...

[John_Doe]

Americans are retarded lol

[Elements]

Americans are retarded lol

Not faceplam at all.... Simply because you can walk around with a gun doesn’t mean you should... you can set yourself on fire but you don’t because its pointless....

The great American anti socialism mentality is also retarded.... I mean how did deregulating the free market work out...... oh yeah not so good....

End of life counselling... something that was already made law when bush was in office with no problems what so ever is now being talked about like they are going to kill people....



Yeah you are right... America is such an awesome country... not retarded at all

[XemnasXD]

You don't need an assault rifle to protect your family or to hunt deer. They certainly don't belong at a presidential rally. That's the bottom line. Its a crude intimidation tactic and entirely disrespectful to the president. It is also a situation which could quickly and easily spiral out of control. All it would take is one shot, just one disgruntled someone in the crowd or one person to trip and accidentally pull something...just one thing and you'll have a massacre on your hands with both sides point their fingers at the other...

[John_Doe]

Americans are retarded lol

Not faceplam at all.... Simply because you can walk around with a gun doesn’t mean you should... you can set yourself on fire but you don’t because its pointless....Setting yourself on fire isn't the same as walking around with a gun. Your reasoning is flawed

The great American anti socialism mentality is also retarded.... I mean how did deregulating the free market work out...... oh yeah not so good....

End of life counselling... something that was already made law when bush was in office with no problems what so ever is now being talked about like they are going to kill people....



Yeah you are right... America is such an awesome country... not retarded at all Again no one has even insisted anything besides you, random assumptions FTW?

[pr0klobster]

You don't need an assault rifle to protect your family or to hunt deer. They certainly don't belong at a presidential rally. That's the bottom line. Its a crude intimidation tactic and entirely disrespectful to the president. It is also a situation which could quickly and easily spiral out of control. All it would take is one shot, just one disgruntled someone in the crowd or one person to trip and accidentally pull something...just one thing and you'll have a massacre on your hands with both sides point their fingers at the other...

It's NOT an assault rifle. It doesn't do full auto, only semi-automatic and there are already lots of guns that do semi.

Your bottom line: "You don't need guns"
My bottom line: "You don't need a computer either, but it's handy"

Am I reading that right, or at least close?

[cpinney]

@elements your talking about the crazy right wing not all americans.

@proklobster no, what he is saying is why do you need an assault rifle or in this case an simi automatic rifle, not guns in general.

[XemnasXD]

you need to l2read prok before you jump down my throat...

[Elements]

Not faceplam at all.... Simply because you can walk around with a gun doesn’t mean you should... you can set yourself on fire but you don’t because its pointless....Setting yourself on fire isn't the same as walking around with a gun. Your reasoning is flawed

The great American anti socialism mentality is also retarded.... I mean how did deregulating the free market work out...... oh yeah not so good....

End of life counselling... something that was already made law when bush was in office with no problems what so ever is now being talked about like they are going to kill people....



Yeah you are right... America is such an awesome country... not retarded at all Again no one has even insisted anything besides you, random assumptions FTW?

The point is simply because you can walk around with a gun doesn’t mean that you should... and it certainly doesn’t mean that you should at a crowded event which the president is attending.... it doesn’t achieve anything it doesn’t serve any purpose. America the country that seemingly values its ability to bare arms more than anything else but yet the country with one of the highest gun crime rates in the world, so evidently the ability to bare arms doesn’t make you that much safer lol.

I am not making random assumptions lol... America is meant to be the beacon of freedom and hope in the western world... it is meant to pave the way lol. But yet it still has 50 million people who don’t have access to healthcare, and when the government tries to step in and do the right thing in helping the people whom elected it they are met with such strong resistance. The point I was making with end of life counselling is rather apt really, Bush passed a bill that enabled people to have access to end of life counselling and it never raised an eyebrow. But now it is being focsed on because they are trying to find any little thing they can to sink a bill that will actually help the public and will actually help the nation progress simply because they are scared of socialism which they seemingly don’t understand very well. Does that seem rational lol?

Does it seem rational that in a country that was founded on the separation of church and state that one of the main things in a political election season is the candidate’s religion, their stance on gay marriage and most importantly their stance on abortion. Perhaps people should read up less on gun laws and more on what the country they want back was actually built to be… perhaps then they will be less upset about the fact that their president is trying to help people and more upset about the way that their media blatantly lies to them, or about how their governmental law passing system is corrupt to such a degree that when the government try to pass a law that would help almost 20% of the population it is attacked from every angle because lobby groups buy politicians to do their political bidding.

What I am saying is that there are many things that are totally irrational in America perhaps to an American they seem normal and are just something that you grow up with and therefore seem perfectly normal... but to somebody who is not a citizen they do appear to be what they are and that is irrational.

[Reise]

If you listened to what the guy said he was making a statement about reminding the powers that be that the people are the ones who have the final say. Reminding people that if we don't use our rights we will lose them. He wasn't just doing it to be a dick.

You guys are ridiculous sometimes. Open carry is legal in a lot of states and especially those with active hunting seasons.

"Oh but it's a terrible black baby killing assault rifle!"

So f*cking what.

The only people who got hurt by it were the ones bitching. I'm guessing the pain was somewhere around the ass region.

[XemnasXD]

i have no idea where that last part came from but if you don't see someone bringing a loaded gun to a presidential rally as a little intimidating to the opposition then i guess this is the peak of our discussion...

[Reise]

The only person who said it was loaded was a guy who wasn't even at the rally.

Mr. Brady Campaign no less.

[Elements]

If you listened to what the guy said he was making a statement about reminding the powers that be that the people are the ones who have the final say. Reminding people that if we don't use our rights we will lose them. He wasn't just doing it to be a dick.

You guys are ridiculous sometimes. Open carry is legal in a lot of states and especially those with active hunting seasons.

"Oh but it's a terrible black baby killing assault rifle!"

So f*cking what.

The only people who got hurt by it were the ones bitching. I'm guessing the pain was somewhere around the ass region.

I find it strange that you think or he thinks that the people are the ones that have the final say, it has been along time since people had a large say in what their country does other than electing a leader... there aren’t many things that are given a referendum simply because in today’s world it wouldn’t work... the media has such a over whelming influence on such a large percentage of the population that referendums really wouldn’t be that efficient.
For example, most people opposing the healthcare bill wouldn’t be able to give you a rational well substantiated arguments for any other reason for opposing the bill other than the fact that it might require an increase in taxes, even though that isn’t known yet because there are so many different iterations of the bill floating around.
So people are simply repeating the phrases, insults and pathetic arguments that they hear on the TV... do you really think that this guy would have taken an assault rifle to the meeting if the guy hadn’t taken the handgun last week... it has nothing to do with loosing your freedoms... the Bush administration robbed the American people of more freedoms that the Obama administration ever will lol.

[Reise]

You don't understand.

"Final say" as in: "If you **** up we have the power to do something about it."

Different people protest for different reasons. Clearly that guy's reasons were his own, and not exactly 100% related to healthcare. Still important reasons though.

Do you believe anyone with half a brain is going to attempt anything violent while carrying a rifle in the open, in a crowd, while being watched by the police? The only thing the guy was physically capable of was making a political statement, same goes for the other guy with the handgun. IMO he did well.

If open carry at protests scares you, imagine how many people had concealed carry permits and nobody knew about it. Imagine how many people had them at OTHER protests. Imagine how many people might possibly have them in any public area. People standing mere feet away from Obama during speeches and whatnot, who could have been packing.

[XemnasXD]

actually anyone who wanted in had to be searched...i still don't see the statement. Where was this carrying loaded guns (he was interviewed and it was loaded) when GWB was saying it was ok to wire tap. Where was he when GWB was ignoring congress. Thats when we could've used his type of protesting. But he shows up to healthcare reform, to protest about rights that aren't even being taken away....

Come on...Thats like bringing a gun to a save Darfur protest or an abortion clinic...theres a time and a place for these things and just because you can doesn't mean you should. If it was only one or two guys at these healthcare talks that would be one thing but entire militias are showing up armed with loaded weapons to...protest...healthcare....

you can't seriously be going "good for those guys, i understand there message about the right to bare arms and use our rights and how it relates to healthcare reform" you can't possibly say that because there is no correlation...

[Reise]

you can't seriously be going "good for those guys, i understand there message about the right to bare arms and use our rights and how it relates to healthcare reform" you can't possibly say that because there is no correlation...

I didn't say that. I actually made a point about that in my last post.

Where was he before? I don't know. The situation among gun owners right now makes it appropriate however, because Obama had once said he wanted to re-instate the AWB. Bush is the one who removed that AWB, so you can figure for yourself as to why nobody was rallying for gun rights like this before. He seemed concerned about healthcare, but also about his rights as a gun owner, I suppose that's why he chose that protest to share his beliefs.

[XemnasXD]

i think it was the wrong place to do something like that. Thats just my opinion. I think bringing guns to protest like that is unnecessary. I gather you kind of agree on some level maybe. Im not sure at this point.

Well im out for now then...

[JuelzSantana]

Classic example: New York vs. Gerogia. Who has more gun-related crime. Who is more lax.

lol that was a gay example because im from new york and we have worse things to deal with, organized crime, gang related crime, not to mention we are industrialized. more people. more people = more chances for crime.

new york has - 18,976,457 people
georgia has - 8,186,453 people

and thats as of yr 2000 so.. i dont wanna hear it 10 million more people obviously there is dam near double the chance for crime

[Barotix]

I was raised in New York and have only been living in GA for three years. Any southern state will work, but to illustrate my point farther:

organized crime, gang related crime

Why? Higher population doesn't always = More crime. *D.C.*

And.... you proved whose point?

we are industrialized

.... >_> Have you left New York recently? BTW, GA's population was growing rapidly iirc. Cba to get the exact numbers atm because we're just having a chill exchange of opinions. =] Nothing serious; we haven't started insulting one another, yet. I want to say there is a correlation between strict gun laws and gun-related crimes, but I can't do that without sources, citations, and all that blah blah. I like how I type out my thoughts without any real structure behind them. xD. I don't like green eggs & ham.

[Reise]

Baro if you need an example of how "effective" strict gun laws can be, just check out the situation in the UK.

[Barotix]

I don't want to use "out-of-USA" examples because people can drag in countries like Japan. -.- Then the topic moves into cultural differences where I'm noticeably weak. xD

[JuelzSantana]

I was raised in New York and have only been living in GA for three years. Any southern state will work, but to illustrate my point farther:

organized crime, gang related crime

Why? Higher population doesn't always = More crime. *D.C.*

And.... you proved whose point?

we are industrialized

.... >_> Have you left New York recently? BTW, GA's population was growing rapidly iirc. Cba to get the exact numbers atm because we're just having a chill exchange of opinions. =] Nothing serious; we haven't started insulting one another, yet. I want to say there is a correlation between strict gun laws and gun-related crimes, but I can't do that without sources, citations, and all that blah blah. I like how I type out my thoughts without any real structure behind them. xD. I don't like green eggs & ham.

ive gone to very few states, been to a lot of countries though. only countries ive been to with "lax" gun laws is haiti and well you can see how that is working effectively.

and its just a fact bro, more people = more chances for crime. just as in sro more mobs = more chances to attack, simple logic lol

[John_Doe]

I was raised in New York and have only been living in GA for three years. Any southern state will work, but to illustrate my point farther:

organized crime, gang related crime

Why? Higher population doesn't always = More crime. *D.C.*

And.... you proved whose point?

we are industrialized

.... >_> Have you left New York recently? BTW, GA's population was growing rapidly iirc. Cba to get the exact numbers atm because we're just having a chill exchange of opinions. =] Nothing serious; we haven't started insulting one another, yet. I want to say there is a correlation between strict gun laws and gun-related crimes, but I can't do that without sources, citations, and all that blah blah. I like how I type out my thoughts without any real structure behind them. xD. I don't like green eggs & ham.

ive gone to very few states, been to a lot of countries though. only countries ive been to with "lax" gun laws is haiti and well you can see how that is working effectively. Comparing two totally different countries doesn't make for a good comparision.

and its just a fact bro, more people = more chances for crime And where is this established fact? I would like a look see of this wonderful study on more people = more crime.. just as in sro more mobs = more chances to attack, simple logic lol Your logic is wierd its seems from what I got more mobs = more chance to atk therefor more people = more chance to atk, but then how can you compare a mob to a person? Your suppose to atk a mob there is a point in that. Whats the point in atk a person? Thats a flawed reasoning. The only time I see more people = more crime/violence if is the mass/more people is a mixed of different efnicity/race/cultures/beliefs/upper, middle, lower class therefor causeing tension. Take a lot of people with the same views/social stats/etc. and your not really gonna get much trouble out of them.

Im assuming mob=monster in games right? Or were we talking about the mobsters?

[JuelzSantana]

Im assuming mob=monster in games right? Or were we talking about the mobsters?

yes mob = monster LOL

And where is this established fact? I would like a look see of this wonderful study on more people = more crime.. just as in sro more mobs = more chances to attack, simple logic lol [b]Your logic is wierd its seems from what I got more mobs = more chance to atk therefor more people = more chance to atk, but then how can you compare a mob to a person? Your suppose to atk a mob there is a point in that. Whats the point in atk a person? Thats a flawed reasoning. The only time I see more people = more crime/violence if is the mass/more people is a mixed of different efnicity/race/cultures/beliefs/upper, middle, lower class therefor causeing tension. Take a lot of people with the same views/social stats/etc. and your not really gonna get much trouble out of them.

yea well i live in new york which is the melting pot of society lol, and georgia is nowhere near as cramped and culturally diffused as new york. in georgia im sure there are a lot of people of diff cultures religions and all that bull but, in new york u said u were from here, u know how it is lol.

and listen if u dont wanna use the mob example u could use silkroad players vs players in a pk scenario. the more people the more chances there are for there to be a pk... im sorry if you cant see that logic then there is no other way to explain it. more people = more crime.

if there is a town with 20 people in it, and a town with 2000 people in it. which town would obviously have a higher crime rate?? new york has 18M people while georgia has 8M thats 10M MORE people, there fore there are 10M MORE chances for crime if each individual has the same chance as the other to commit a crime and if you want to bring variables in to the situation... we could add that culture stuff u were talking about. listen im a pre-med major, and im all for studies and all that but unless you conducted the study yourself you can never know if its 100% true. people can skew data to their liking or w/e and not to mention this doesnt even need a study to be done its just plain common sense. more people = more chances for crime = more crime. simple. and if you try and argue that well i dunno what to tell you but thats simple math probability for you and you cant argue with text book logic that everyone in their natural life span learns..

[John_Doe]

Im assuming mob=monster in games right? Or were we talking about the mobsters?

yes mob = monster LOL



yea well i live in new york which is the melting pot of society lol, and georgia is nowhere near as cramped and culturally diffused as new york. in georgia im sure there are a lot of people of diff cultures religions and all that bull but, in new york u said u were from here, u know how it is lol.

and listen if u dont wanna use the mob example u could use silkroad players vs players in a pk scenario. the more people the more chances there are for there to be a pk... im sorry if you cant see that logic then there is no other way to explain it. more people = more crime.

Comparing a game to life doesn't make for a very convining logic.

if there is a town with 20 people in it, and a town with 2000 people in it. which town would obviously have a higher crime rate?? Depends on whos inhabiting each town. new york has 18M people while georgia has 8M thats 10M MORE people, there fore there are 10M MORE chances for crime if each individual has the same chance as the other to commit a crime and if you want to bring variables in to the situation... we could add that culture stuff u were talking about. listen im a pre-med major, and im all for studies and all that but unless you conducted the study yourself you can never know if its 100% true. True, but I haven't said anything that I presented is 100% true you on the other hand have presented this idea of more people = more crime. people can skew data to their liking or w/e and not to mention this doesnt even need a study to be done its just plain common sense. more people = more chances for crime = more crime. simple. and if you try and argue that well i dunno what to tell you but thats simple math probability for you and you cant argue with text book logic that everyone in their natural life span learns.. Just by saying more people = more crime your just excluding so many varibles that would affect if so mass of people would do anything violent or not, not very good reasoning if its on gut feeling alone.

Your reasoning would only make sense if you could be applied to every country, lets take Japan, Tokyo has over 12 million people thats about 10% of its population in one city yet their crimerate is low. Sure it isn't close to New Yorks 19 million count but what really sets them apart is the situation their in Tokyo isn't as Diverse in culture/race/etc. as New York. Reason or any form of logic only make sense whenever they can be applied universly. From the mole of chemisty to Pi of Geometry unless it applies to everything it doesn't apply at all. Your logic would make more sense if you simply state More Diversity = More chance of violence/tension/aggresion/etc. Just by stating more people = more crime your simply ignoring too many varibles.

[JuelzSantana]

Im assuming mob=monster in games right? Or were we talking about the mobsters?

yes mob = monster LOL



yea well i live in new york which is the melting pot of society lol, and georgia is nowhere near as cramped and culturally diffused as new york. in georgia im sure there are a lot of people of diff cultures religions and all that bull but, in new york u said u were from here, u know how it is lol.

and listen if u dont wanna use the mob example u could use silkroad players vs players in a pk scenario. the more people the more chances there are for there to be a pk... im sorry if you cant see that logic then there is no other way to explain it. more people = more crime.

Comparing a game to life doesn't make for a very convining logic.

if there is a town with 20 people in it, and a town with 2000 people in it. which town would obviously have a higher crime rate?? Depends on whos inhabiting each town. new york has 18M people while georgia has 8M thats 10M MORE people, there fore there are 10M MORE chances for crime if each individual has the same chance as the other to commit a crime and if you want to bring variables in to the situation... we could add that culture stuff u were talking about. listen im a pre-med major, and im all for studies and all that but unless you conducted the study yourself you can never know if its 100% true. True, but I haven't said anything that I presented is 100% true you on the other hand have presented this idea of more people = more crime. people can skew data to their liking or w/e and not to mention this doesnt even need a study to be done its just plain common sense. more people = more chances for crime = more crime. simple. and if you try and argue that well i dunno what to tell you but thats simple math probability for you and you cant argue with text book logic that everyone in their natural life span learns.. Just by saying more people = more crime your just excluding so many varibles that would affect if so mass of people would do anything violent or not, not very good reasoning if its on gut feeling alone.

Your reasoning would only make sense if you could be applied to every country, lets take Japan, Tokyo has over 12 million people thats about 10% of its population in one city yet their crimerate is low. Sure it isn't close to New Yorks 19 million count but what really sets them apart is the situation their in Tokyo isn't as Diverse in culture/race/etc. as New York. Reason or any form of logic only make sense whenever they can be applied universly. From the mole of chemisty to Pi of Geometry unless it applies to everything it doesn't apply at all. Your logic would make more sense if you simply state More Diversity = More chance of violence/tension/aggresion/etc. Just by stating more people = more crime your simply ignoring too many varibles.

not to burst your bubble but i said culture plays a part so nice post but i already knew that..

[cpinney]

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oh lawl

[John_Doe]

not to burst your bubble but i said culture plays a part so nice post but i already knew that..

In your first statement you only state more people = more crime nothing more. You do mention organize crime, gangs yet not both are those are taken into consideration when you bluntly state more people = more crime. Your second you use Haiti as a comparision which doesn't work because the USA and Haiti are both different in social, economical, political status, there making your comparision of lax gun laws redundant, Only in your third post do you say

we could add that culture stuff

yet you go onto bluntly again saying more people = more crime, was I to assume it meant more people "with culture varible include" = more crime now? So you did mention culture but you shrugged it off as soon as you aknowlegde it in the first place. No where in your posts do you take culture or any other varible into serious consideration when stating more people = more crimes. Life isn't a simple 1+1=2.

[JuelzSantana]

not to burst your bubble but i said culture plays a part so nice post but i already knew that..

In your first statement you only state more people = more crime nothing more. You do mention organize crime, gangs yet not both are those are taken into consideration when you bluntly state more people = more crime. Your second you use Haiti as a comparision which doesn't work because the USA and Haiti are both different in social, economical, political status, there making your comparision of lax gun laws redundant, Only in your third post do you say

we could add that culture stuff

yet you go onto bluntly again saying more people = more crime, was I to assume it meant more people "with culture varible include" = more crime now? So you did mention culture but you shrugged it off as soon as you aknowlegde it in the first place. No where in your posts do you take culture or any other varible into serious consideration when stating more people = more crimes. Life isn't a simple 1+1=2.

well everytime i reply to a post i dont exactly have to read the entire topic again to answer to something, if i said it once its good enough no? and i didnt "shrug it off" i assumed you would be thinking of that if i mentioned it in the first mini paragraph of what i said but w/e lol i really dont care anymore. if u dont wanna acknowledge simple logic then oh well i dont have time to sit here and try to prove to you that more people = more chances of crime, just like more hamburgers = more chances of a heart attack, more sun exposure = more chance of skin cancer, more people driving cars = more chance of traffic accumulation. anybody with a brain can see that this type of logic is true. its just common sense and if u want to disprove common sense then ur taking up with the wrong person because the fact is if you dont believe whats actually true. it doesnt make it not true. and on top of that, u also have to know the definition of the word "chance" just because there is a chance it will happen, doesnt necessarily mean its actually going to happen. if ur trying to sit here and actually tell me that more people doesnt = more chances for crime to happen then ur insane, so w/e im done lol

and for your info. life is usually simple 1+1 =2 until people start trying to make it = 3

[John_Doe]

well everytime i reply to a post i dont exactly have to read the entire topic again to answer to something, You don't you just have to remeber what you wrote and whatever the other person wrote if i said it once its good enough no? and i didnt "shrug it off" i assumed you would be thinking of that if i mentioned it in the first mini paragraph of what i said but w/e lol i really dont care anymore. if u dont wanna acknowledge simple logic then oh well i dont have time to sit here and try to prove to you that more people = more chances of crime, just like more hamburgers = more chances of a heart attack, more sun exposure = more chance of skin cancer, more people driving cars = more chance of traffic accumulation. Like I said before logic or reasoning has to apply to everyone or it doesn't apply at all. That's were all your logic fail. Are your doing is taking an action and listing one of its many consequnece and useing chance as a safeguard so it doesn't gett shot down anybody with a brain can see that this type of logic is true. And I thought this was gonna be a nice debate. Now your saying im a ignorant person? its just common sense and if u want to disprove common sense then ur taking up with the wrong person because the fact is if you dont believe whats actually true. I don't believe what you think is true, I see no where in your posts where you have lists any research in your all so bullet proft logic. it doesnt make it not true. and on top of that, u also have to know the definition of the word "chance" just because there is a chance it will happen, doesnt necessarily mean its actually going to happen. if ur trying to sit here and actually tell me that more people doesnt = more chances for crime to happen then ur insane, so w/e im done lol

and for your info. life is usually simple 1+1 =2 If that bullshit was true then world hungry, war, third world countries, and etc. shouldn't even exist it should be a utopia if shit in life was that easily. until people start trying to make it = 3

Useing chance, luck, any form of unpredictable things as the basis of your logic and reasoning is just blah, those kinds of logic and reason aren't even logic and reason their more in line with beliefs. Logic and reason is undeniable, undoubtable nor unquestionable, all your logics fail at that.

[JuelzSantana]

well everytime i reply to a post i dont exactly have to read the entire topic again to answer to something, You don't you just have to remeber what you wrote and whatever the other person wrote if i said it once its good enough no? and i didnt "shrug it off" i assumed you would be thinking of that if i mentioned it in the first mini paragraph of what i said but w/e lol i really dont care anymore. if u dont wanna acknowledge simple logic then oh well i dont have time to sit here and try to prove to you that more people = more chances of crime, just like more hamburgers = more chances of a heart attack, more sun exposure = more chance of skin cancer, more people driving cars = more chance of traffic accumulation. Like I said before logic or reasoning has to apply to everyone or it doesn't apply at all. That's were all your logic fail. Are your doing is taking an action and listing one of its many consequnece and useing chance as a safeguard so it doesn't gett shot down anybody with a brain can see that this type of logic is true. And I thought this was gonna be a nice debate. Now your saying im a ignorant person? its just common sense and if u want to disprove common sense then ur taking up with the wrong person because the fact is if you dont believe whats actually true. I don't believe what you think is true, I see no where in your posts where you have lists any research in your all so bullet proft logic. it doesnt make it not true. and on top of that, u also have to know the definition of the word "chance" just because there is a chance it will happen, doesnt necessarily mean its actually going to happen. if ur trying to sit here and actually tell me that more people doesnt = more chances for crime to happen then ur insane, so w/e im done lol

and for your info. life is usually simple 1+1 =2 If that bullshit was true then world hungry, war, third world countries, and etc. shouldn't even exist it should be a utopia if shit in life was that easily. until people start trying to make it = 3

Useing chance, luck, any form of unpredictable things as the basis of your logic and reasoning is just blah, those kinds of logic and reason are even logic and reason their more in line with beliefs. Logic and reason is undeniable, undoubtable nor unquestionable, all your logics fail at that.

more people = more CHANCES of crime = undoubtable unquestionable and not fail. and thats just a fact man give it up i really dont care if u believe it or not but thats what it is if u dont like it oh well. if you cant agree with me on that then YOUR logic and reasoning is fail